When it comes to Vader’s voice, I’ve found that one of the easiest ways to remove the age from JEJ voice is to apply a pitch change. Taking lines like ‘my apologies…’ and going from C to B gives it new life, where as “A city destroyed…” needs a change from c to c# as it appears that JEJ tries to go too low there when exhibiting anger but lacks the breath to do it now.
Thanks for the lengthy feedback, MalaStrana. I am most likely going to release a 5.1 version with a higher compression rate, and could also fix some of the issues you’ve brought up. I have a sound engineer friend who’s going to have a crack at matching Vaders dubbed lines…I agree it’s not perfect.
Maybe it could be possible to retrieve Vader’s lines from Rebels which are from the exact same “JEJ’s voice age” era ?
Thanks for the lengthy feedback, MalaStrana. I am most likely going to release a 5.1 version with a higher compression rate, and could also fix some of the issues you’ve brought up. I have a sound engineer friend who’s going to have a crack at matching Vaders dubbed lines…I agree it’s not perfect.
Maybe it could be possible to retrieve Vader’s lines from Rebels which are from the exact same “JEJ’s voice age” era ?
Another aspect that appears to be missing from the Rogue One Vader audio that is a hallmark of the ANH voice is the vibration. RO has the mechanized microphone sound of being in the helmet, but the vibration in his voice is missing.
You’re right about that. There is the age issue but I get what you mean about the “vibration” (or “electronic-metallic” sound) which is clearly missing in Rogue One.
Very nicely done.
I do have a question, are you thinking of doing a v2.0 of this or is it done?
The music is nice, I personally am fine with the original score however this is a nice take on it.
The reason I am asking is that the jumping from story arc to story arc could be tightened up even more. For example, there’s three shortish scenes of Jyn and Cassian having a shootout at the records tower as they try to hang on, currently they’re individual scenes and if you combine them the scene plays out quite well. The first two scenes are able to be recut together fairly easily, the last one needs help with the music transitions which you’ve ably demonstrated your skill with.
I’ve taken a crack at consolidating as many scenes as possible, not cutting for the sake of cutting instead the goal being a movie where there isn’t so much cutting back and forth so if it is watched before A New Hope the editing styles feel a little closer than they currently exist.
The music cues in this one are a bear, though.
Watched the edit - and really enjoyed it, and it is really well done.
I do however feel that it could go a bit further, and would look forward to seeing some revisions.
John Williams score is well utilised overall - although I do notice where you use one piece for a long time (such as ESB cloud city rescue piece) over lots of shorter intercut pieces. It is worth noting that stylistically Williams’ score does vary over the years he was composing STAR WARS music, so it does in some sense seem less consistent.
Because of the new Williams music, the original score does really stick out now. The music in the later stages of the film (around Jyn’s death) which develops from earlier more simple motifs now feels a little out of place, without those earlier references. I’d consider overhauling this segment, and maybe try and relate it closer to the ANH scores which we would hear in the earlier stages of ANH.
Now depending on the agenda of the edit, I would cut MORE of the characterisations of the RO characters. To me, this is something to watch before ANH, so I would expect to see more ‘anonymous’ rebels seizing the plans. You might want to consider removing characters like Chirrut, whom without any prior context might seem unusual. K-2 could be simplified more at the beginning, so his sarcasm is perhaps more subtle.
I do think I’m going to release a 2.0 version, so to speak. The current version is only in stereo and is also at a lower compression rate. So having a high-quality 5.1 version would be nice for viewers.
I’d also like to try matching Vader’s dubbed lines a bit better, along with some other comments and feedback I’ve received.
To your point ben_danger on making further music changes, especially the sequence with Jyn’s death…I’m not sure there is a suitable Williams track that could fit that. It’s a pretty long piece (starting from the Star Destroyers crashing into the gate up until Vader’s shuttle approaching the Rebel flagship) and has varying tone and emotion to it. And out of all the cues from Rogue One, I think it was probably Giacchino’s best. I dunno, maybe I’ll look at some of the Episode III cues and see if something might work…
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I do think I’m going to release a 2.0 version, so to speak. The current version is only in stereo and is also at a lower compression rate. So having a high-quality 5.1 version would be nice for viewers.
I’d also like to try matching Vader’s dubbed lines a bit better, along with some other comments and feedback I’ve received.
To your point ben_danger on making further music changes, especially the sequence with Jyn’s death…I’m not sure there is a suitable Williams track that could fit that. It’s a pretty long piece (starting from the Star Destroyers crashing into the gate up until Vader’s shuttle approaching the Rebel flagship) and has varying tone and emotion to it. And out of all the cues from Rogue One, I think it was probably Giacchino’s best. I dunno, maybe I’ll look at some of the Episode III cues and see if something might work…
I agree that the final piece playing during Jyn’s death is the best piece in the original film score and I was beyond happy that you decided to keep it.
It’s pure Giacchino’s emotive cue (à la John Carter) so… I would also keep it.
I just want to say the same thing twice, but this time I won’t !
Thanks for the lengthy feedback, MalaStrana. I am most likely going to release a 5.1 version with a higher compression rate, and could also fix some of the issues you’ve brought up. I have a sound engineer friend who’s going to have a crack at matching Vaders dubbed lines…I agree it’s not perfect.
Maybe it could be possible to retrieve Vader’s lines from Rebels which are from the exact same “JEJ’s voice age” era ?
I though the exact same thing. I tested it out here: https://vimeo.com/216069119
Seems to work for me (with some clean up, of course)
Yep, not seamless but the voices are closer in tone.
It’s May 4, and that means that Rogue One: The Battle of Scarif is now complete!
It’s just under 50 minutes long, making it a nice little companion piece to the original theatrical release. Alternatively, you could watch this right before A New Hope! Again, the main point of this edit is to focus on the epic battle sequence from Rogue One, while also adding elements to make it fit in more with the other Star Wars films. This means, among other things:
- An opening text crawl, which summarizes the events of Rogue One leading up to the battle of Scarif.
- Insertion of several music cues from John Williams. About 50-60% of the film’s score is now comprised of classic Star Wars cues.
- Classic Star Wars sound effects added in certain places, along with a few old-school wipe transitions.
- Other cuts and adjustments to scenes throughout the battle, either to fit the new music cues or to pace the film a bit differently. For example, there isn’t as much back-and-forth cutting between all the different characters anymore. This may have originally been to make the film seem more exciting, but it also made it difficult to follow the action at times.
- The film ends exactly as it did in the original version, making it a perfect segue into A New Hope.
If you’re interested in checking it out, let me know 😃
Hi eldusto84, I would love to check this out!
It’s May 4, and that means that Rogue One: The Battle of Scarif is now complete!
It’s just under 50 minutes long, making it a nice little companion piece to the original theatrical release. Alternatively, you could watch this right before A New Hope! Again, the main point of this edit is to focus on the epic battle sequence from Rogue One, while also adding elements to make it fit in more with the other Star Wars films. This means, among other things:
- An opening text crawl, which summarizes the events of Rogue One leading up to the battle of Scarif.
- Insertion of several music cues from John Williams. About 50-60% of the film’s score is now comprised of classic Star Wars cues.
- Classic Star Wars sound effects added in certain places, along with a few old-school wipe transitions.
- Other cuts and adjustments to scenes throughout the battle, either to fit the new music cues or to pace the film a bit differently. For example, there isn’t as much back-and-forth cutting between all the different characters anymore. This may have originally been to make the film seem more exciting, but it also made it difficult to follow the action at times.
- The film ends exactly as it did in the original version, making it a perfect segue into A New Hope.
If you’re interested in checking it out, let me know 😃
Hi eldusto84, I would love to check this out!
I am also super interested in this project!!!
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I just have one question, theres zero appearance from Tarkin?
Just asking :p
I don’t really care if it’s in the shape of a movie, or a cartoon tv-series, or if it’s on videogames and books. Neither if it’s canon or legends; I love all my Star Wars (yes, even the prequels).
“Laugh it up, Fuzz ball.”
Oh wait, no, not all of it, don’t count the Holiday Special on it.
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I just have one question, theres zero appearance from Tarkin?
Just asking :p
PM sent. And there is only a brief scene with Tarkin, right when the Death Star prepares to fire on Scarif.
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I know it’s a bit late in the process, but if you want some new music for the edit, you should check the shadows of the empire soundtrack. I would also recommend the force unleashed soundtrack for more variety, but it doesn’t sound as professional or thought out as much as this one does, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Lac1g3VJ8&index=2&list=PLk7tRLsSzeqPq23hOkoSp7XS6NN1wiouI
PM sent. And there is only a brief scene with Tarkin, right when the Death Star prepares to fire on Scarif.
I watched this last night, and let me tell you, the quality of this edit is amazing, If I were to watch this without any knowledge of Rogue One, it would be nearly impossible to tell what has been edited out. Unfortunately, everyone in this forum is incredible familiar with all the Star Wars films, so every time there is a change on them it grabs our attention. So some of the things I will proceed to point out would probably not be applicable for a casual viewer.
I hope you take any criticism in this post as constructive. Overall I really enjoyed this, thank you for the work you put into it and sharing it with us.
I am a huge fan of your Hobbit edit and I’m glad you took on this project.
With that said, I’m concerned that in its current form, it turns Rogue One into the caricature everyone thinks it is - emotionless empty Star Wars-themed action sequences. I understand that the point of the edit is to narrow the focus onto the battle, but the battle was not the best part of the movie in a vacuum. The character deaths and other surrounding scenes lose all emotional weight without at least part of the rest of the movie. I’m not sure it’s doable with your concept and it’s not very Star Wars-y, but I think small flashbacks introducing the main characters could help. Perhaps a fast “Greatest Hits” of the first 2/3 of the movie or something similar to your Dol Guldur edits.
The dialogue and music lifted from other movies stands out like a sore thumb. I could tell exactly where each piece came from, and a lot of them were really on-the-nose, like the Battle of Hoth music during the AT-AT’s appearance, and the Executor crashing for the Star Destroyers colliding.
Personally I loved Giachino’s score and I feel it’s unfairly maligned, but I know others don’t share that opinion. At the very least though, I recommend you use music from more obscure sources as others have suggested.
On the positive side, the editing is all well done. The transitions between scenes and the audio are all seamless. I really enjoyed what you did with Jyn’s inspirational speeches. You made her seem like a leader among the rebels, moreso than in the actual movie, by subtraction.
it turns Rogue One into the caricature everyone thinks it is - emotionless empty Star Wars-themed action sequences.
But Rogue One IS an empty movie with dumb action sequences that only deliver silly fan service and which is led by emotionless characters 😄 (except the imperial droid)
The point of this edit is to go straight to the point of the main plot: stealing the DS plans. Two third of the movie is useless (and bad) characterization of uninterestig characters. This edit is the best way to link Episode III with Episode IV rather than the theatrical cut (IMHO).
That’s being said, I agree that a flashback structure could be implemented into this edit in order to give a little bit more about the characters, especially Chirrut (just one short scene), nothing more. But this isn’t eldusto84’s plan and there is no real need for this SW short story since the real “main” characters here are Vader (who now opens and closes the short movie), Tarkin, the Death Star, Mothma, Organa, and Leia (and a little bit Krennic’s demise). Erso and friends are not necessary to the myth and are not needed at all for the story of Anakin/Vader.
I think Vladius’ post above has pretty well summed up my feelings on the Edit too.
Whilst admiring the time, effort and commitment gone into the project - with some quality technical work too - I felt that the characterisations and backstory of the main cast withdrew from enjoying the Edit or feeling for their sacrifice for the cause. I actually think Cassian’s speech on Yavin IV may have been better left in - as it gives back the ‘grey’ of the Rebellion, that these people had led their lives for the Rebellion (or against the Empire), had committed the type of crimes that made them lose their humanity - but did so for a greater good etc; it gave us the viewer something to get behind emotionally and root for (in addition of the good guy vs bad guy aspect).
Though, I too liked the subtle changes to Jyn’s lines - making her more of the leader of the group.
And the Crawl was great too - very professional, like most of the Edit itself 😃
Great work.
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I think Vladius’ post above has pretty well summed up my feelings on the Edit too.
Whilst admiring the time, effort and commitment gone into the project - with some quality technical work too - I felt that the characterisations and backstory of the main cast withdrew from enjoying the Edit or feeling for their sacrifice for the cause. I actually think Cassian’s speech on Yavin IV may have been better left in - as it gives back the ‘grey’ of the Rebellion, that these people had led their lives for the Rebellion (or against the Empire), had committed the type of crimes that made them lose their humanity - but did so for a greater good etc; it gave us the viewer something to get behind emotionally and root for (in addition of the good guy vs bad guy aspect).
Though, I too liked the subtle changes to Jyn’s lines - making her more of the leader of the group.
And the Crawl was great too - very professional, like most of the Edit itself 😃
Great work.
+1
It seems some of you don’t get the point of this edit… Have you read the first post ? If you love the theatrical cut I don’t understand why you would want to watch an edit of it. The Cassian character is a catastrophe, glad he’s been radically cut down here. All his lines and especially his speech are so boring and embarrassing…
I think what you’re missing Malastrana, is that a movie with good and bad aspects, minus the bad aspects, doesn’t necessarily equal a better movie.
Even if something is “bad” or isn’t well executed, it’s sometimes necessary to support the story.
It’s like if you held up a bridge on poor-quality support beams. The beams are bad, but if you just take them out without replacing them, the bridge collapses.
This is something a lot of fan edits (even my prequel edits) struggle with. I enjoyed aspects of this edit but I felt like without any context for the characters, the edit doesn’t work, even if the context wasn’t executed well in the original film.
I think what you’re missing Malastrana
Well… no actually. Read my previous posts (the one where I was mentionning a flashback structure for example) and you’ll get that I’m not missing any point at all regarding what a fanedit film is… the fact is this project isn’t supposed to be a full length movie, but a short story. This project isn’t mine, but the goal of The battle of Scarif is made clear on the first post of this thread, so, again, if you don’t agree with it and if you begin to think that the two first acts of the movie should be put back and that Giacchino’s score should be left intact I guess you should just stick to the theatrical cut or just wait for a minimal edit that will only remove a few minutes because (in case I’m repeating myself) this is not the goal of this edit.
I have the feeling that fanedits of the Disney movies are taken personally by some, as if their personal belief was threatened by the mere xistence of people who don’t think Episode VII/Rogue One to be brillant SW movies and start cutting them down… kinda reminds me of the people who where struggling against PT fanedits because they thought (and were right to think what they wanted to think) the movies were perfect…