Mithrandir said:
May more movies like RO come
Sadly that’s already the case: all blockbusters look the same, and this R1 is no different than any Marvel or DC movies we get every year.
I have a viewing of Rogue One later today and it feels weird now…
Just saw it for the second time, and I enjoyed it MUCH more this time. I was able to follow the story better, noticed a lot more details, and didn’t doze off.
I tried to pay attention to the score - came to the conclusion that it is OK, but not as good as previous Star Wars movies. Too bad, because I really was impressed with Giacchino after hearing the NPR interview, and wanted very much to like it. There just wasn’t much that I found memorable about it.
I stand by my previous assessment that the characters are very thin - especially Jyn. Her facial expressions all looked the same - like someone with too much plastic surgery (although I don’t mean to imply that that’s the cause). Again, the only character that seemed to me to elicit any real humanity was Baze Malbus.
The effects were even more stunning the second time, and Tarkin was even more convincing (although his voice didn’t sound at all like Cushing’s to me).
The first time I saw it in RPX 3D, the second time in XD 3D. Both were excellent, I’d give the edge to the RPX showing, although that could be because I was sitting closer. I’ll probably see it one more time while it’s still at the IMAX.
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Two of the stories were really interesting, some were ok, several were forgettable, and two were terrible. The Evazon and Ponda story was one of them. Giving them names was silly. Creating a 1950s-style horror film backstory was even more so.
I dunno. A 1950s style sci-fi/horror/monster B-movie starring Dr. Evazon sounds kind of amazing. Really dial up the camp.
I’m only half joking, but Disney really needs to start expanding in terms of genre with these SW Anthology movies or they’re going to get real old, real fast. Not every film needs to end with a giant space battle.
We have our very first anthology film and people are already complaining about fatigue.
We have our very first anthology film and people are already complaining about fatigue.
I’m not quite there yet. I’m just saying that with the almost limitless possibilities that this “anthology” format offers, it would be a waste to make them all in the sci-fi/action vein.
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Well the next one is apparently going to be a western and something else hybrid they said heist again but I think western is solid.
The effects were even more stunning the second time, and Tarkin was even more convincing (although his voice didn’t sound at all like Cushing’s to me).
Agree. Regardless of how accurate it looks visually, the vocal performance is distracting from someone familiar with Cushing’s voice from the Hammer films. I have a feeling they didn’t ask the actor to explicitly mimic Cushing because they weren’t 100% sure they would go through with the motion capture. Either that, or the actor is simply not that familiar with how Cushing sounds…
I can’t imagine asking someone to imitate another actor without listening to and studying their voice.
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I thought Tarkin sounded off the first time I saw it, but he seemed on point the second time through.
The effects were even more stunning the second time, and Tarkin was even more convincing (although his voice didn’t sound at all like Cushing’s to me).
Agree. Regardless of how accurate it looks visually, the vocal performance is distracting from someone familiar with Cushing’s voice from the Hammer films. I have a feeling they didn’t ask the actor to explicitly mimic Cushing because they weren’t 100% sure they would go through with the motion capture. Either that, or the actor is simply not that familiar with how Cushing sounds…
Yeah, he sounded like someone trying to impersonate Cushing. Which, albeit, is what he was.
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It’s not the fellow who’s done Tarkin on TCW and Rebels?
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Nope. It’s a shame too, he sounds a lot more authentic than the guy from Rogue One. At least he got to play Admiral Raddus.
There’s no question Tarkin was off. I think we can all agree to civilly disagree on matters of taste and what not if it comes down to that, and I feel like someone is entitled to think the CGI work was “good enough” for them if that’s how they really feel, but if someone actually came away from the film thinking Tarkin was spot-on, then I have to question either their sincerity or their attention to detail. They must either be the Kevin Smith type of fan, or they really don’t have the attention span for some things.
Either way, I think this whole CGI dead actors thing was in poor taste. Tarkin could have been alluded to in the dialogue, as Jabba and the Emperor were in Star Wars, without showing him on screen. The film would have benefited from concentrating the story on fewer characters, and in the case of the bad guys, Krennic’s role would have been far stronger.
No, Tarkin is definitely integral to the story of the Death Star and his role in the film was great if you don’t get hung up on the CG or voice.
No, Tarkin is definitely integral to the story of the Death Star and his role in the film was great if you don’t get hung up on the CG or voice.
Why do you feel this way? The only dramatic thing Tarkin did in the entire movie was to come and take Krennic’s command away from him. Everything else he did on screen was pointless filler.
We have our very first anthology film and people are already complaining about fatigue.
To be fair we already have people who were excited for a movie that would break away from what we usually know as Star Wars who are now saying it wasn’t enough like the extant films.
No, Tarkin is definitely integral to the story of the Death Star and his role in the film was great if you don’t get hung up on the CG or voice.
Agreed. I was glad to see him in the story as much as he was. I think they had to walk a fine line with Tarkin in the film, too, because too little of him (or just references and back-of-head shots) and it would have seemed like he just came out of nowhere in ANH, and too much would have been gratuitous and would have stepped on Krennic’s character. As it was, I think they did a great job establishing that he was involved in the construction and development, and did a great job at expanding him into a bit of a ruthless gloryhound which made it believable when he took command from Krennic.
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No, Tarkin is definitely integral to the story of the Death Star and his role in the film was great if you don’t get hung up on the CG or voice.
Why do you feel this way? The only dramatic thing Tarkin did in the entire movie was to come and take Krennic’s command away from him. Everything else he did on screen was pointless filler.
He ordered the total destruction of an Imperial base, with lots of personnel still inside. That’s not dramatic enough for you?
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He ordered the total destruction of an Imperial base, with lots of personnel still inside. That’s not dramatic enough for you?
First I’ll admit that I’m going off memory seeing the film one time, so my recollection of every detail may not be 100% complete. That said, discussing the example you provided, do you think that was integral to the story? Or just filler? If you think it was integral to the story, do you think it could have been possible to have Krennic do the exact same thing? Combining characters and writing a tighter script is a very good thing.
In the example I cited, Krennic obviously can’t relieve himself from his own command. And there’s the issue of Tarkin needing to be in command of the Death Star at some point. I think the script would have been way better with Tarkin and Death Star references without them actually being included in the film. Give Krennic a Star Destroyer and a fleet and let him battle the rebels that way. Let him do all the work.
Leaving the Death Star out of the movie and not relying on its impending threat only visually, I think would have pushed the filmmakers into creating a far more compelling story.
I think it would have also been far superior from a dramatic standpoint if there were some healthy skepticism in the film concerning the Death Star’s threat. Seeing a good contingent of the Rebels actually doubt that the Empire was capable of such a military threat, even dismissing it, would have been welcome. We have countless examples of how brilliantly that kind of drama worked in the originals, including not only Han’s skepticism of the Force, but also General Tagge’s skepticism in the conference room on the Death Star.
I think it would have also been far superior from a dramatic standpoint if there were some healthy skepticism in the film concerning the Death Star’s threat. Seeing a good contingent of the Rebels actually doubt that the Empire was capable of such a military threat, even dismissing it, would have been welcome. We have countless examples of how brilliantly that kind of drama worked in the originals, including not only Han’s skepticism of the Force, but also General Tagge’s skepticism in the conference room on the Death Star.
There is a whole scene where the Rebel council more or less dismisses Jyn’s claim that there is a Death Star and even if there was, what could they even do about it.
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He ordered the total destruction of an Imperial base, with lots of personnel still inside. That’s not dramatic enough for you?
First I’ll admit that I’m going off memory seeing the film one time, so my recollection of every detail may not be 100% complete. That said, discussing the example you provided, do you think that was integral to the story? Or just filler? If you think it was integral to the story, do you think it could have been possible to have Krennic do the exact same thing? Combining characters and writing a tighter script is a very good thing.
In the example I cited, Krennic obviously can’t relieve himself from his own command. And there’s the issue of Tarkin needing to be in command of the Death Star at some point. I think the script would have been way better with Tarkin and Death Star references without them actually being included in the film. Give Krennic a Star Destroyer and a fleet and let him battle the rebels that way. Let him do all the work.
Leaving the Death Star out of the movie and not relying on its impending threat only visually, I think would have pushed the filmmakers into creating a far more compelling story.
Hell yes, it was integral. It showed how ruthless Tarkin really is. Even Imperial lives mean nothing to him now that he’s got the ultimate weapon. It sealed the fate of every character down below who wasn’t dead yet.
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RO’s soundtrack isn’t the best – but I’ve really come to like the “Imperial” and “Guardian of the Whills” suite. And of course, “Hope” is great. The sheer terror of Vader is encompassed all in one track. Very happy they didn’t use the “Imperial March” motif here…
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RO’s soundtrack isn’t the best – but I’ve really come to like the “Imperial” and “Guardian of the Whills” suite. And of course, “Hope” is great. The sheer terror of Vader is encompassed all in one track. Very happy they didn’t use the “Imperial March” motif here…
Agreed. It would have been so easy to slap Imperial March on it and call it “good” but I’m glad they didn’t.
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