Fair point, Ronster. I guess we don’t know either way, but it’s unfortunate the way it turned out.
The prequels for one. Great soundtracks. But mediocre films.
Tron Legacy…
Tron Legacy is also a great soundtrack, but I happen to think it’s a very good film as well.
Yeah!
Superior to the original in many ways, actually.
NOT YEAH!
Don’t get me wrong, I think Tron is good…but it also hasn’t aged very well.
Tron Legacy is aging faster than light speed.
Oh gosh, that’s what Tarkin will look like in 6 years. I’m not ready.
The difference is that Tarkin is a person rather than a computer program. A creepy CGI Jeff Bridges makes perfect sense in the context of the character, even if it was only done that way because they couldn’t do any better.
Don’t know if someone has noted (and posted) this before, but there is a chance Chirrut was a Jedi once - and somehow he has not the power of the Force anymore (maybe because to an accident which made him blind, or he made a sort of “vote” as monk… who knows?); if not, how could a normal blind human being (apart Daredevil) do the sort of things he does, and, why the handle of his wood stick is dangerously similar to a lightsaber (that isn’t working anymore, but he still put it on some use)?
just a speculation, I know…
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Fair point, Ronster. I guess we don’t know either way, but it’s unfortunate the way it turned out.
if it had been included it brings a whole new meaning to
“He does’nt like you… I don’t like you either”
“You’ll be Dead!”
They were obviously thinking about doing some work on Luke.
Check this
http://movieweb.com/rogue-one-deleted-scenes-rejected-concepts-video/
Don’t know if someone has noted (and posted) this before, but there is a chance Chirrut was a Jedi once - and somehow he has not the power of the Force anymore (maybe because to an accident which made him blind, or he made a sort of “vote” as monk… who knows?); if not, how could a normal blind human being (apart Daredevil) do the sort of things he does, and, why the handle of his wood stick is dangerously similar to a lightsaber (that isn’t working anymore, but he still put it on some use)?
just a speculation, I know…
He has a Kyber Crystal in the End of his stick. He can Hear the Crystals not see them. Nobody knows how he wen’t blind.
I think he may have looked too long into one of those “Brightest Star’s that have hearts of Kyber”
He has incredible hearing. The Guardians of the Whills were trained fighters.
The prequels for one. Great soundtracks. But mediocre films.
Tron Legacy…
Tron Legacy is also a great soundtrack, but I happen to think it’s a very good film as well.
Yeah!
Superior to the original in many ways, actually.
NOT YEAH!
Don’t get me wrong, I think Tron is good…but it also hasn’t aged very well.
Tron Legacy is aging faster than light speed.
Oh gosh, that’s what Tarkin will look like in 6 years. I’m not ready.
The difference is that Tarkin is a person rather than a computer program. A creepy CGI Jeff Bridges makes perfect sense in the context of the character, even if it was only done that way because they couldn’t do any better.
Exactly! Except for that part at the very beginning of the movie where he’s not playing the computer program.
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Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman.
You’re reading way too much into the visual guide. This is on par with believing The Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina novel is a detailed account of a bunch of cut scenes from Star Wars.
Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman.
You’re reading way too much into the visual guide. This is on par with believing The Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina novel is a detailed account of a bunch of cut scenes from Star Wars.
Yeah, 90-100% chance that’s just Hildago trying to justify the weird background costumes Edwards picked to show up on set that day, not that they were planning to have Dr Evanzan actually have his own subplot in the finished film.
Now there’s a spinoff I could get behind…
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Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman.
You’re reading way too much into the visual guide. This is on par with believing The Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina novel is a detailed account of a bunch of cut scenes from Star Wars.
Agreed. WAY too much. They’re in there as a call-back, not as some sort of remnant where they were part of the plot. As far as They were obviously thinking about doing some work on Luke; that’s ridiculous. In 1977 they were just two tough guys in a bar. Nothing more. All that "Tales From…’ BS was just a weird aggregate of authors trying to invent backstories for what amounts to the extras in the cantina scene decades after the fact.
Two of the stories were really interesting, some were ok, several were forgettable, and two were terrible. The Evazon and Ponda story was one of them. Giving them names was silly. Creating a 1950s-style horror film backstory was even more so.
This may come off as rather provocative, but Return of the Jedi is a very mediocre film with a fantastic soundtrack that never really gets its chance to shine.
I’d say it’s average for a Star Wars film but still much more enjoyable than most Sci Fi or Fantasy or Action flicks I’ve seen. There are parts of the movie that really do shine and are obscured by the remainder of the movie which seems somewhat cobbled together.
I really enjoyed Rogue One. But I also really loved ROTJ after having first seen it as a kid. Back then it was my favorite of all the SW films. I came to see its flaws over the years. I feel the same way about R1. It has some of the best sequences in any SW film but over time it will take its rightful place among the remainder of the films and settle somewhere near ROTJ which is where I think most people on thie forum have been placing it.
Not sure if this was shared yet:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/movies/how-rogue-one-brought-back-grand-moff-tarkin.html
nothing new really, but nice to see some official words on the matters.
I still question if they did full mo-cap for Tarkin’s face, which those images seems to imply they did, because the impression i got from the viewing the film (both times) was that he looked like he was hand animated. I can only call it ‘dobby-face’, as there was a scene that looked just like the same level of dead-eyed-cgi that dobby had in the harry potter movies. They probably did touch up the performance by hand afterwards, even if they started out with mo-cap.
Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman.
You’re reading way too much into the visual guide. This is on par with believing The Tales of the Mos Eisley Cantina novel is a detailed account of a bunch of cut scenes from Star Wars.
Agreed. WAY too much. They’re in there as a call-back, not as some sort of remnant where they were part of the plot. As far as They were obviously thinking about doing some work on Luke; that’s ridiculous. In 1977 they were just two tough guys in a bar. Nothing more. All that "Tales From…’ BS was just a weird aggregate of authors trying to invent backstories for what amounts to the extras in the cantina scene decades after the fact.
Two of the stories were really interesting, some were ok, several were forgettable, and two were terrible. The Evazon and Ponda story was one of them. Giving them names was silly. Creating a 1950s-style horror film backstory was even more so.
You know in that shot that never made it into the film of the Rebel Pilots being marched by storm troopers… Well there are a number of Market Stalls in the street. One of them was a Cafe and that is where that woman with the Hard drive in her heard would have appeared. It’s not a sub-plot but it’s similar to the cantina in so much as you meet a lot of weird wonderful characters. Except there is a theme involved. of people being altered by cybernetics. The other Alien was the fat one with his intestines showing.
You can probably expect something as small as this.
Jyn “What’s up with her?”
Cassian “She is a Slave”
Jyn “Who would do something like that?”
Cassian “Empire Technology, Some are made by the Empire others have stolen the technology and charge a lot on the black market if you want Slaves that will never argue”
It really would be something as small as that.
would you really go to all the trouble of creating those 2 characters and at a large price. It’s there to explain Empire Technology I think. And touch on Slavery.
My conservetive estimate this woman on the food stall cafe the troops being marched through the street and a bounty hunter Tracking Dr Evanzan other shots of weird aliens / people a shuttle landing in the city (Tank is delivering shipment to the shuttle) is about 3 minutes. It’s expository.
It’s not a sub-plot. Wait for the Blu-ray to hopefully see Neal Scanlons great work he did.
The prequels for one. Great soundtracks. But mediocre films.
Tron Legacy…
Tron Legacy is also a great soundtrack, but I happen to think it’s a very good film as well.
Yeah!
Superior to the original in many ways, actually.
NOT YEAH!
Don’t get me wrong, I think Tron is good…but it also hasn’t aged very well.
Tron Legacy is aging faster than light speed.
Oh gosh, that’s what Tarkin will look like in 6 years. I’m not ready.
On the plus side, that’s what some top-end video games look like now, so that’s what we have to look forward to.
The prequels for one. Great soundtracks. But mediocre films.
Tron Legacy…
Tron Legacy is also a great soundtrack, but I happen to think it’s a very good film as well.
Yeah!
Superior to the original in many ways, actually.
NOT YEAH!
Don’t get me wrong, I think Tron is good…but it also hasn’t aged very well.
Tron Legacy is aging faster than light speed.
Oh gosh, that’s what Tarkin will look like in 6 years. I’m not ready.
The difference is that Tarkin is a person rather than a computer program. A creepy CGI Jeff Bridges makes perfect sense in the context of the character, even if it was only done that way because they couldn’t do any better.
I agree with this. That’s how I always looked at it.
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Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Oddly enough it’s the more subtle references to old Williams pieces that I appreciate (the obvious ones are hit and miss - I think the Force theme is overused and the Rebel fanfare and the original Imperial theme are underused). But the Dies Irae quotes are cool, as well as the couple Death Star motif bits, the flute hologram message motif, the Leia’s theme cameo, and the “Alliance Assembly” influence on “Scrambling the Rebel Fleet.” Giacchino is a huge JW/SW fan so I’m sure there’s more.
Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
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Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.
Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.
As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.
Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.
Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.
As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.
It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.
I was just impressed that he made the music feel like ANH without directly copying it. It just slid right into the universe perfectly (in my opinion). I’ve said it before, but certain parts of the soundtrack sound like stuff that Williams did for ANH that got cut.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.
Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.
As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.
It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.
I was just impressed that he made the music feel like ANH without directly copying it. It just slid right into the universe perfectly (in my opinion). I’ve said it before, but certain parts of the soundtrack sound like stuff that Williams did for ANH that got cut.
I’m listening to the Podcast now, this guy knows his stuff, looks like a good series, thanks. 😃
Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.
Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.
As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.
It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.
Cool. I have heard good things but I guess I’m just skeptical in general (especially of SW podcasts, of which there are far too many). Will probably take a listen soon.
Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:
https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s
Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.
Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it
That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).
Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.
Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.
As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.
It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.
I was just impressed that he made the music feel like ANH without directly copying it. It just slid right into the universe perfectly (in my opinion). I’ve said it before, but certain parts of the soundtrack sound like stuff that Williams did for ANH that got cut.
I’m listening to the Podcast now, this guy knows his stuff, looks like a good series, thanks. 😃
I usually only stick with Collider Jedi Council but Rebel Force Radio seems pretty awesome 😃
They’re literally the longest running Star Wars podcast. Used to be the Forcecast before the people that run TFN ran them off. So they set off on their own and rebranded as RebelForceRadio. They’ve been doing it so long they have tons of connections inside Lucasfilm and get lots of great interviews and inside information. Just recently they’ve even been tasked with official hosting duties at the stateside Celebration conventions.
They’re literally the longest running Star Wars podcast. Used to be the Forcecast before the people that run TFN ran them off. So they set off on their own and rebranded as RebelForceRadio. They’ve been doing it so long they have tons of connections inside Lucasfilm and get lots of great interviews and inside information. Just recently they’ve even been tasked with official hosting duties at the stateside Celebration conventions.
Yeah, RFR is generally a pretty decent podcast for these reasons. They’re pretty much the unofficial official Star Wars podcast.
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Plinkett’s basic complaint is that the standalone movie isn’t very standalone, which I guess is fair, but to me is like complaining that the “Lords of the Sith” novel didn’t make any sense because what even is Star Wars?
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Plinkett’s basic complaint is that the standalone movie isn’t very standalone, which I guess is fair, but to me is like complaining that the “Lords of the Sith” novel didn’t make any sense because what even is Star Wars?
Those guys made a name of theirselves by being OT-Talibans. And while most of what they point out about the prequels is true to me, I can’t help saying that they long missed this one with Rogue One.
Suddenly it is better and more realistic that characters chat while in the middle of gunfire; or that you get to care for characters that play with in-universe star wars toys and praise Darth Vader just like fans do in real life.
May more movies like RO come
