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Bobo Jameson said:

There was a great quote in one of the reviews I read that said we, as a society, used to go to movies to wonder about the future (and the OT certainly fits that bill). Now we seem to be in love with reliving the past.

Back in the 70’s the movies were great, now they’re complete uninspired crap.

All this means is that you’re watching the wrong movies.

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Tobar said:

Tyrphanax said:

It is funny how big a deal they made about the character and then it was in the movie for maybe five seconds?

Don’t forget the whoopty-doo about C2-B5. He’s in the background of one shot for about two seconds. And yet got his own Sideshow and Funko Pop releases:


he also was released as a Disney elite Die cast 6" figure, and he features prominantly in the new Scarif DLC for BATTLEFRONT

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We can only assume C2-B5 featured heavily in some cut sequence. Possibly the stuff they filmed in the London Underground, which (given their lack of Imperial Disguises) must have been after they (with a still-okay Kaytoo) get the plans but before they leave the archives and head for the (originally separate) transmission tower.

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TV’s Frink said:

Bobo Jameson said:

There was a great quote in one of the reviews I read that said we, as a society, used to go to movies to wonder about the future (and the OT certainly fits that bill). Now we seem to be in love with reliving the past.

Back in the 70’s the movies were great, now they’re complete uninspired crap.

All this means is that you’re watching the wrong movies.

Nope!

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A very interesting article, but doesn’t explain the shots we got in the trailer.

I would really love to see how this film evolved.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Alderaan said:

Oh don’t mind me Mavimao, I’m only here for a day or two venting my frustration at watching another Star Wars film that disappointed me. I don’t begrudge anyone else a different opinion. Pretty soon I will go back to occasionally popping in only to check up on restorations of the OOT.

I guess I don’t understand what you expected. For years this was built up as “how the rebels stole the death star plans” and you complain that it’s a film about…people stealing plans to the death star.

I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s perfectly watchable.

I’m sure there were people disappointed when they went to see Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samourai. “Hey I thought there was going to be some major ass kicking, but it’s just shots of a guy driving at night and mending his garden!”

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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That headless cyborg guy totally reminds me of D’harhan from the old EU.

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Ronster said:

A very minor tweak is required for 100% Line up of Rogue One and Star Wars (A new Hope)

“Several Transmissions were Beamed aboard this ship, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you?” Original

“Several Transmissions were Beamed aboard a ship, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you?” Fixed

I feel like this would be a futile ‘fix’… In RO, There was no way for Vader to know for sure which ship received the transmissions (for all he knows, they ALL could’ve gotten it), but after watching the Tantive escape so frantically/deperately, it makes sense he’d assume that was the ship that received them. This would explain the line when he catches up to them in ANH.

Moving on, does anybody else feel like a movie in between ROTS and RO would be a great spot on the timeline for a Vader movie? Possibly show him hunting down the last of the Jedi (alla The Force Unleashed) - also a good opportunity to bring back Palpatine for continuity. I quite like that RO didn’t show the Emperor, as I feel it preserves his ambiguity in ANH… but the Vader movie as a standalone would certainly need some direct “Imperial guidance” at some point for sure. This is the only spot on the timeline I can think of to make a Vader movie happen and it could be great.

Lastly, and I’m 3/4 joking when I say this… Vader’s servant on Mustafar… Secret Apprentice Snoke?? lol

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I’m honestly hoping we can be done with Vader for a good long time now that we saw him in this. I liked the cameo fine, but there are thirty or forty other things I want to see before a Vader movie.

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joefavs said:

I’m honestly hoping we can be done with Vader for a good long time now that we saw him in this. I liked the cameo fine, but there are thirty or forty other things I want to see before a Vader movie.

Agreed. Not really into Vader saturation. And I could do without a Kenobi film; much less a Kenobi Trilogy as some in the rumor mill have speculated.

It would be nice to have a movie about a galactic adventurer completely unrelated to the Saga and non-jedi. Everything we’ve got is in some way tied to the Skywalker thread. And no Chris Pratt please.

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Giacchino apparently included track titles of his usual… caliber? in the liner notes for the soundtrack:

  1. He’s Here For Us
  2. A Long Ride Ahead
  3. Wobani Imperial Labor Camp
  4. Trust Goes Both Ways
  5. When Has Become Now
  6. Jedha Arrival
  7. Jedha City Ambush
  8. Star-Dust
  9. Confrontation On Eadu
  10. Krennic’s Aspirations
  11. Rebellions Are Built On Hope
  12. Rogue One
  13. Cargo Shuttle SW-0608
  14. Scrambling The Rebel Fleet
  15. AT-ACT Assault
  16. The Master Switch
  17. Your Father Would Be Proud
  18. Hope

are actually

  1. A Krennic Condition
  2. Jyn And Scare It
  3. Jyncarcerated
  4. Going To See Saw
  5. That New Death Star Smell
  6. Jedha Call Saw
  7. When Ambush Comes To Shove
  8. Erso Facto
  9. Go Do, That Eadu, That You Do, So Well
  10. Have A Choke And A Smile
  11. Erso In Vain
  12. Takes One To Rogue One
  13. World’s Worst Vacation Destination
  14. Scarif Tactics
  15. Bazed And Confused
  16. Switch Hunt
  17. Transmission Impossible
  18. Live And Let Jedi

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ForceGhostRecon said:

Ronster said:

A very minor tweak is required for 100% Line up of Rogue One and Star Wars (A new Hope)

“Several Transmissions were Beamed aboard this ship, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you?” Original

“Several Transmissions were Beamed aboard a ship, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you?” Fixed

I feel like this would be a futile ‘fix’… In RO, There was no way for Vader to know for sure which ship received the transmissions (for all he knows, they ALL could’ve gotten it), but after watching the Tantive escape so frantically/deperately, it makes sense he’d assume that was the ship that received them. This would explain the line when he catches up to them in ANH.

Moving on, does anybody else feel like a movie in between ROTS and RO would be a great spot on the timeline for a Vader movie? Possibly show him hunting down the last of the Jedi (alla The Force Unleashed) - also a good opportunity to bring back Palpatine for continuity. I quite like that RO didn’t show the Emperor, as I feel it preserves his ambiguity in ANH… but the Vader movie as a standalone would certainly need some direct “Imperial guidance” at some point for sure. This is the only spot on the timeline I can think of to make a Vader movie happen and it could be great.

Lastly, and I’m 3/4 joking when I say this… Vader’s servant on Mustafar… Secret Apprentice Snoke?? lol

I heard a decent explanation the other day wherein Vader didn’t know there was a physical copy of the plans.

Remember, he says “several transmissions were beamed aboard this ship,” we know that’s not true because we see they get beamed to the flagship and downloaded to the datacard and then physically brought to the Tantive IV by troopers, but Vader clearly doesn’t realize this as he’s slaughtering the Rebels in the hallway either because he can’t see the datacard or because, let’s face it, the man has anger issues and tends to fly off the handle and go into a murderous rage that he can’t control, and he was so absorbed that all he could feel was the fear and not the reason for it.

In ANH the stormtrooper captain says “the Death Star plans are not in the main computer,” Vader assumed the plans were beamed to the Tantive IV and thus in the computer, when it was really the flagship they were beamed to. That’s when he realizes they may be hidden physically on the ship (“commander tear this ship apart until you’ve found those plans”) and explains why they weren’t so bothered about the empty escape pod leaving the ship.

Leia and Captain Antilles’ lying is nothing more than the delay tactics that any good spy would do until the bitter end. Deny deny deny. Even when you’re caught dead to rights.

Also, Vader’s servant as Snoke might actually be alright with me. =P

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Alderaan said:

Mithrandir said:

I can’t help disagreeing strongly. There are tons of great movies and stories where you know what is going to happen. Surprise is not an artistic value per se.

What you are talking about is called dramatic irony. It occurs when there is so much meaning and revelation in the story, that you can enjoy and take pleasure in watching it over and over again throughout the years even though you already know what will happen in the plot. Each time you entertain yourself with the story, a new layer, a new depth to one of the characters may reveal itself that you didn’t see before. This is the phenomenon that takes place when literature teachers all over the world teach classics to their students year after year, and some 20 years later they are still finding some new gem that they didn’t notice before. It’s the same phenomenon that happens when I watch Empire Strikes Back for the 1,000th time or see King Lear for the 10th time. This phenomenon only happens through the most well-written of stories, and it only happens when a very good writer, in command of his or her craft, is writing those pages.

It is a very different phenomenon from the one you were alluding to: the random plot-twist! Where the audience’s pleasure is only gratified through suspense. When the pleasure in the motion picture is only derived from answering the question “what happens next?”…it stands to reason that a viewer will enjoy the film much less each time they watch it, rather than continue to enjoy it more and more, as in the previous example of dramatic irony.

I remember saying this before in some thread about ring theory and why Star wars is secretly brillant (nothing shining can be secret IMO)

The WTF just happened plot-twist is only well executed if it is meaningful, as Vader’s reveal was, insomuch as that new revelation causes the viewer to go back and reassess the meaning of every previous scene and every previous action in a way they had not previously considered.

And still is a one-time effect the one it produces. Twists and revelations rely on secrets. Once the secret is no more, the revelation is no more, and with it goes away the enjoyment. It is even that way in Empire. Only that while the revelation is now (almost 40 years later) insignificant, it still punches us because it is important to the character.

Take Snoke in TFA. “the map is traveling with you faaaaaaaaaather…Han…Sooooolooo” [I almost expected JJA to appear in the bottom corner of the picture with a “Now you must feel surprised” sign.

Seriously. Mistery Box is total bullshit. The difference between the rational use of a resource and its abuse is the same difference you can find between a classic director like Kershner and the guy that created Lost.

Is every story or motion picture going to be that complex? No. But if it’s not, then it needs to exhibit some other cadre of strong filmmaking traits if it is to stand the test of time. What other aspects of Rogue One or The Force Awakens cause them to rise to memorable status? Do they possess visuals along the lines of a Kurosawa film? Are they edited as masterfully as the trench run sequence in ANH? There are other ways in which a film can stand the test of time.

No, OFC they don’t stand with Kurosawa. But honestly, nor does ANH or any Star Wars/Spielberg blockbuster, maybe except Schindler’s List. You can analyze why Star Wars had the success it had, and find technical reasons in editing, storytelling, etc; but elevating it to the category of cult cinema right there with say 8 1/2 just feels wrong to me. And I enjoy Star Wars a fucking lot, which is why I’m here.

But some ways it will not stand the test of time include vfx, which will date sooner rather than later, and nostalgia porn, which will be lost on people within a few years. Making a movie filled with fanservice might please you now in your short sighted and I would argue misguided desire to live in the past (as that review alluded to), but it will not reflect well on these films and will one day not reflect well on your own memories either.

I don’t know. It felt fresh to me, it’s not about a boy/girl that is tired of living in the suburbia and wants adventure and finds out he has powers and goes and makes some feats, preferently destroying a superweapon.

Do I have nostalgia? Yes. Read my review, to me Star Wars is the Empire vs the Rebels. I can take it being the republic and whoever the foes maybe.

If the opposite path to nostalgia is just fucking up the ending of Jedi by setting the exact same situation with other smell, well, I’ll take nostalgia.

Just one man’s opinion.

Sure, no puns taken!

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joefavs said:

I’m honestly hoping we can be done with Vader for a good long time now that we saw him in this. I liked the cameo fine, but there are thirty or forty other things I want to see before a Vader movie.

Or not. We still need a Vader movie.

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TV’s Frink said:

Live and Let Jedi?

[groan]

I always enjoy the composer’s personal names for songs purely because they’re usually goofy.

It always reminds me of the Age of Empires soundtracks wherein all the songs have goofy names you’d never see.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Mavimao said:

Alderaan said:

Oh don’t mind me Mavimao, I’m only here for a day or two venting my frustration at watching another Star Wars film that disappointed me. I don’t begrudge anyone else a different opinion. Pretty soon I will go back to occasionally popping in only to check up on restorations of the OOT.

I guess I don’t understand what you expected. For years this was built up as “how the rebels stole the death star plans” and you complain that it’s a film about…people stealing plans to the death star.

I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s perfectly watchable.

I’m sure there were people disappointed when they went to see Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samourai. “Hey I thought there was going to be some major ass kicking, but it’s just shots of a guy driving at night and mending his garden!”

Alderaan is a dick and it got what it deserved a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. 😉

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You guys honestly aren’t a little sick of Vader? He was the heavy in three movies, got another three (admittedly terrible) movies for his origin story, shows up in this one, looms over TFA by motivating its antagonist, and already had a 25 issue comic and a novel in the new canon. I really, really would rather see almost anything else.

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Bobo Jameson said:

Mavimao said:

Alderaan said:

Oh don’t mind me Mavimao, I’m only here for a day or two venting my frustration at watching another Star Wars film that disappointed me. I don’t begrudge anyone else a different opinion. Pretty soon I will go back to occasionally popping in only to check up on restorations of the OOT.

I guess I don’t understand what you expected. For years this was built up as “how the rebels stole the death star plans” and you complain that it’s a film about…people stealing plans to the death star.

I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s perfectly watchable.

I’m sure there were people disappointed when they went to see Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samourai. “Hey I thought there was going to be some major ass kicking, but it’s just shots of a guy driving at night and mending his garden!”

Alderaan is a dick and it got what it deserved a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. 😉

Knock it off.

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  • “Star Wars fans only want one thing: Vader”
  • “I will not condone a course of pointless fan films that will lead us to more nostalgia madness !”
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joefavs said:

got another three (admittedly terrible) movies for his origin story

To which the Darth Vader I know and love (like the one in Rogue One) was not in the film at all. ROTS has murderous Anakin and then had Anakin in the suit asking about fucking Padme. That’s not Vader to me. Kid Anakin and angsty teen Anakin don’t fit the bill either.

looms over TFA by motivating its antagonist

Doesn’t even count.

and already had a 25 issue comic and a novel in the new canon

Which most people are not going to see. The more casual fans should be able to see a Vader centric story.

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Bobo Jameson said:

Mavimao said:

Alderaan said:

Oh don’t mind me Mavimao, I’m only here for a day or two venting my frustration at watching another Star Wars film that disappointed me. I don’t begrudge anyone else a different opinion. Pretty soon I will go back to occasionally popping in only to check up on restorations of the OOT.

I guess I don’t understand what you expected. For years this was built up as “how the rebels stole the death star plans” and you complain that it’s a film about…people stealing plans to the death star.

I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s perfectly watchable.

I’m sure there were people disappointed when they went to see Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samourai. “Hey I thought there was going to be some major ass kicking, but it’s just shots of a guy driving at night and mending his garden!”

Alderaan is a dick and it got what it deserved a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. 😉

That was uncalled for.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.