Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.
Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
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never admits to error or flawed judgement.
One has to admit to error/flaw only when there are any. In my case there aren’t any.
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And that brings up a totally separate problem…why are the eye lenses for the Storm Trooper helmet designed to be so restricted? Luke said he couldn’t see a thing in it and this picture here:
shows as to why that is. It seems weird that The Empire would have such faulty equipment.
The image manipulates with pitch rotation of the head/helmet. If the helmet was rotated anteriorly with respect to the head, the eyes would be within the lenses. I am sure the eyes were within the lenses during the filming.
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Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
Fair enough, they are after all bike troopers. But what about the Snow-troopers? If the regular Stormtrooper armor works in the desert, not to mention the vacuum of space (with a few add-ons of course), then why did there need to be a specialized armor for cold environments?
Well, ESB had the budget for more variations, and Kenner toys were selling really well.
Also, we don’t really know what the Shore troopers are yet. Maybe they do have some type of vehicle. I mean we even got AT-AT drivers with their own helmet ad armor design. Why does vehicles need specialized armor, but certain environments do, while other doesn’t?. I’m not really complaining about any of this, I like the varied designs and their production histories, I just don’t see why a “Shore trooper” is so crazy, when we’ve had “Snow troopers” and “Scout troopers”, etc.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
And that brings up a totally separate problem…why are the eye lenses for the Storm Trooper helmet designed to be so restricted? Luke said he couldn’t see a thing in it and this picture here:
shows as to why that is. It seems weird that The Empire would have such faulty equipment.
Well, SW science is weird, and tends to care more about “does it look cool” than “does it make any sense”.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
It looks pretty in line to me but even if the picture isn’t an accurate representation there is no type of peripheral vision and your vision wouldn’t be as good due to the dark lenses. There was a good reason why the Storm Trooper accidentally hit his head in STAR WARS.
Let’s stop kidding ourselves. It’s an overall sub par design. It looks cool and all but like the cockpit placement on the Millennium Falcon it doesn’t make much sense practicality wise.
never admits to error or flawed judgement.
One has to admit to error/flaw only when there are any. In my case there aren’t any.
Don’t embarrass your ass.
Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
Fair enough, they are after all bike troopers. But what about the Snow-troopers?
This is kind of unrelated to your point but the lenses on the Snow Trooper helmet are even worse.
And let’s not even get on the TFA design:
what sucks is that it looks so fucking cool.
Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
Fair enough, they are after all bike troopers. But what about the Snow-troopers? If the regular Stormtrooper armor works in the desert, not to mention the vacuum of space (with a few add-ons of course), then why did there need to be a specialized armor for cold environments?
Well, ESB had the budget for more variations, and Kenner toys were selling really well.
Also, we don’t really know what the Shore troopers are yet. Maybe they do have some type of vehicle. I mean we even got AT-AT drivers with their own helmet ad armor design. Why does vehicles need specialized armor, but certain environments do, while other doesn’t?. I’m not really complaining about any of this, I like the varied designs and their production histories, I just don’t see why a “Shore trooper” is so crazy, when we’ve had “Snow troopers” and “Scout troopers”, etc.
Well with snow troopers you have a point. It was unnecessary. Less unnecessary than shore trooper, but still essentially unnecessary compared to storm trooper.
When it comes to AT-AT and TIE pilots, it is logical that their outfits are different from infantry (storm troopers) because they don’t need an armour plates, etc. And I already explained why scout troopers were also reasonable.
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Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
Fair enough, they are after all bike troopers. But what about the Snow-troopers? If the regular Stormtrooper armor works in the desert, not to mention the vacuum of space (with a few add-ons of course), then why did there need to be a specialized armor for cold environments?
Well, ESB had the budget for more variations, and Kenner toys were selling really well.
Also, we don’t really know what the Shore troopers are yet. Maybe they do have some type of vehicle. I mean we even got AT-AT drivers with their own helmet ad armor design. Why does vehicles need specialized armor, but certain environments do, while other doesn’t?. I’m not really complaining about any of this, I like the varied designs and their production histories, I just don’t see why a “Shore trooper” is so crazy, when we’ve had “Snow troopers” and “Scout troopers”, etc.Well with snow troopers you have a point. It was unnecessary. Less unnecessary than shore trooper, but still essentially unnecessary compared to storm trooper.
How do you make such a distinction? Because not OT or so you have a different rationale?
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Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
Fair enough, they are after all bike troopers. But what about the Snow-troopers?
This is kind of unrelated to your point but the lenses on the Snow Trooper helmet are even worse.
And let’s not even get on the TFA design:
what sucks is that it looks so fucking cool.
Well, this photo from the SW OT visual dictionary, you could argue that the Stormtrooper helmets don’t actually have lenses meant to be seen through, but rather some form of “camera” or sensor which allows for enhanced eyesight (in the EU it even had a HUD).
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
I happen to have a OT trooper bucket that fits me very well. (If only I had some armor to go with it.) I can even see out of it. Luke was a little short, and the helmet may not have fit him very well.
Where were you in '77?
I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.
Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉
Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.
In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.
I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).
Small quibble: The films never actually state that Tatooine is supposed to be hot. In fact, Mike Verta is of the opinion that Tatooine was originally graded to look desolate and cold.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
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I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.
Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉
Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.
In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.
I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).
Small quibble: The films never actually state that Tatooine is supposed to be hot. In fact, Mike Verta is of the opinion that Tatooine was originally graded to look desolate and cold.
That’s an interesting theory.
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It is common knowledge that even in severe heat, the elderly wear jackets. The only person wearing an overcoat is Ben Kenobi.
Obviously the climate must be hot.
It is common knowledge that even in severe heat, the elderly wear jackets. The only person wearing an overcoat is Ben Kenobi.
Obviously the climate must be hot.
Where were you in '77?
Let’s stop kidding ourselves. They made it simply because they wanted to make some new crap for the marketing purpose (despite being logically redundant).
Well, you could make that same argument for a lot of the OT Stormtrooper variants.
I mean if a regular Stormtrooper with a few add-ons could function in the desert, then why did we get a completely new type of trooper for forests?
It’s a lot easier to sell one of these rather than just changing the regular Stormtrooper a little bit like they did in the first movie before they knew it would sell ridiculously well.Well you cut off the part of the post where I pointed out justifications for scout trooper. It is not a “type of trooper for forests”. When it comes to scout trooper it is not about the environment, it is about different type of unit. It not an infantry unit, it is a speeder unit. It operates alongside infantry (storm troopers).
Fair enough, they are after all bike troopers. But what about the Snow-troopers?
This is kind of unrelated to your point but the lenses on the Snow Trooper helmet are even worse.
And let’s not even get on the TFA design:
what sucks is that it looks so fucking cool.
Well, this photo from the SW OT visual dictionary, you could argue that the Stormtrooper helmets don’t actually have lenses meant to be seen through, but rather some form of “camera” or sensor which allows for enhanced eyesight (in the EU it even had a HUD).
Well that’s definitely good for headcanon but that makes the fact that they have terrible aim even more atrocious. Especially when considering Ben said they were precise shooters.
I happen to have a OT trooper bucket that fits me very well. (If only I had some armor to go with it.) I can even see out of it. Luke was a little short, and the helmet may not have fit him very well.
Never considered that…well that’s a minor gripe that I can set aside 😄
I am not looking forward to see shoretroopers, woodtroopers, deathtroopers, watertroopers, sandtroopers or hover tank troopers and what so ever is about to come.
Then you won’t like Episode 4 because they have Sandtroopers 😉
Technically sandtroopers they were just stormtroopers with some extra gear, which is how it should be in most cases. Since stormtroopers were supposed to be elite units, I am still waiting to see regular army. It would be much better instead of some new dumb ideas.
In the OT we get introduced to Snowtroopers and Scout troopers after ep4. So, did you have a problem with those, or is this just because they are something new? Because, if you didn’t have a problem with the introduction of those, then you are being a bit of a hypocrite.
I had no problem with snowtroopers because the change of armour was justified by the extreme conditions. I had no problem with scouttroopers because they were an entirely different type of unit (i.e. not infantry). I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).
Small quibble: The films never actually state that Tatooine is supposed to be hot. In fact, Mike Verta is of the opinion that Tatooine was originally graded to look desolate and cold.
Do I dare add this to my personal canon?
Aw, what the hell – I’ll make it part of my secondary personal canon.
And that brings up a totally separate problem…why are the eye lenses for the Storm Trooper helmet designed to be so restricted? Luke said he couldn’t see a thing in it and this picture here:
shows as to why that is. It seems weird that The Empire would have such faulty equipment.
in real life a typical human head is much smaller in comparison to the helmet. If someone had a head that large they wouldn’t actually be able to fit into the helmet.
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Case in point
He still probably can’t see.
He’s holding the helmet closer to the camera though. Note where the shadow of his head is.
Where were you in '77?
I wasn’t making a case for how well he could see. I’m sure real life visibility out of any of these prop helmets is restricted at best. Just pointing out how innacurate a picture that graphic painted.
I do know the ESB Vader stunt helmet has little windows cut into the face mask for that reason.
Where were you in '77?
