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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Also, the flaw wasn’t the exhaust port, it was the volatile reactor.

Bingo. He made the volatile reactor, the rebels had to figure out a way to actually get to it and blow it up, and the only way they could find required the budding space wizard to pull off an impossibly hard task that nobody else could. Doesn’t contradict or diminish Star Wars in any way, imo.

As for other stuff like the inconsistency of Vader at the end of R1 vs beginning of SW… Eh. I can see why it rubs some people the wrong way but it doesn’t bother me.

In rogue One, it’s the heat of battle at the end of a completely unanticipated sneak attack. Vader is in a desperate search to stop those plans from being stolen and it’s likely he told his troops to split up and search everywhere while he does the same. Whether it be luck or the Force, he finds them first and acts rather than waiting for his troops to gather. And it’s not CERTAIN he knows those guys have the plans on that disc or even sees the disc. I think arguments could be made either way and I’m willing to go with the idea that he doesn’t know about the disc and that he’s trying to wade through the rebels to get to the Tantive IV where he believes the plans are.

Once we see him in SW, they’re no longer in the frantic battle at Scariff. They’ve caught their prey who have no chance of escape. They can plan their assault accordingly so Vader sends in his Stormtroopers to do the dirty work and then he strolls in calmly to oversee the mopping up. It’s the difference between a desperate reaction to a sneak attack and the calm & deliberate capture of helpless prey.

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What’s more consistent than the movie is the people here not changing their mind about it even more than 2 years later 😄

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Does it actually say that about the reactor in RO (genuine question, I’ve only seen the film once)?

Aren’t volatile reactors all the rage throughout the saga? Anakin blows up a Trade Federation ship by accidentally hitting the reactor with big torpedoes. Death Star II is all about hitting the reactor. The Super-Star Destroyer cops it in the ol’ reactor too!

Look, I get it. Many fans didn’t think the initial Death Star takedown was plausible, and RO supposedly answers that age-old question. But I never had a problem with the exhaust port. It was an audacious plan on behalf of the rebels that actually turned out to be a failure (see Red Leader, his targeting computer, and a conga-line of dead guys that didn’t even make it that far). Luke Skywalker was a complete and utter wild card. It makes infinitely less sense to me that a saboteur planted a weakness that required extremely creative analysis (assuming all the construction crews and technicians and overseers never noticed the flaw), was more or less impossible to exploit, and ultimately relied on the Force re-emerging as an option.

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Shopping Maul said:

Does it actually say that about the reactor in RO (genuine question, I’ve only seen the film once)?

“The reactor module, that’s the key…any pressurized explosion to the reactor module will set off a chain reaction that will destroy the entire station.”

Aren’t volatile reactors all the rage throughout the saga? Anakin blows up a Trade Federation ship by accidentally hitting the reactor with big torpedoes. Death Star II is all about hitting the reactor. The Super-Star Destroyer cops it in the ol’ reactor too!

Take it up with Star Wars (1977):
“The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station.” - General Dodonna, Star Wars

Look, I get it. Many fans didn’t think the initial Death Star takedown was plausible, and RO supposedly answers that age-old question.

Uh…what? “Many fans”? Gonna need to see some examples of that as I’ve never heard that brought up as an issue. Let alone enough to make it an “age-old question.”

Shopping Maul said:

I’m probably gonna get slapped here, but I despise this film. Talk about Special editions - this film is ‘Han Shot First’ on steroids. Placing the Tantive at the battle itself and having Vader - who had just seen the rebels passing the plans through a doorway - suddenly get his facts wrong (“several transmissions were beamed to this ship…”),

Several transmissions were beamed to the ship that the Tantive was docked inside of:

The data from the drive that Erso took was uploaded in four simultaneous transmissions.
The dialog from the film confirms this, “Admiral, receiving transmissions from Scarif!”
As for Vader’s dialog, humdinger has already addressed how Vader isn’t shown to know that a Rebel is trying to get the plans onboard the Tantive. At that time all Vader is concerned with is stopping anyone from escaping. Where the plans are is a secondary concern to stopping the Tantive from launching.

followed by an interrogation with Leia that doesn’t remotely reflect what Vader has supposedly just witnessed

They both know she’s been caught red handed but that doesn’t mean she has to capitulate and admit to everything or anything. In that situation all she can do is deny, deny, deny and hope that Artoo can escape with the plans. And Vader knows she’s lying and openly calls her out on it, “You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!”

…and all so we can see Vader exhibit a particular badassery that he fails to wield ten minutes later in 1977?!?

As has already been pointed out, Vader was in a rush to stop the Tantive from launching before. By the time he’s caught up with them, they’re trapped with nowhere left to go. He doesn’t need to charge in. Why take the brunt of an attack when you have lackeys to do that for you?

Rogue One is by no means a perfect film but I would say it does an excellent job of capturing the feel of the OT era and of delivering on its original mandate which was to bring these opening paragraphs to life:

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire’s
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power to
destroy an entire planet.

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Tobar said:

Shopping Maul said:

Does it actually say that about the reactor in RO (genuine question, I’ve only seen the film once)?

“The reactor module, that’s the key…any pressurized explosion to the reactor module will set off a chain reaction that will destroy the entire station.”

Aren’t volatile reactors all the rage throughout the saga? Anakin blows up a Trade Federation ship by accidentally hitting the reactor with big torpedoes. Death Star II is all about hitting the reactor. The Super-Star Destroyer cops it in the ol’ reactor too!

Take it up with Star Wars (1977):
“The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station.” - General Dodonna, Star Wars

Look, I get it. Many fans didn’t think the initial Death Star takedown was plausible, and RO supposedly answers that age-old question.

Uh…what? “Many fans”? Gonna need to see some examples of that as I’ve never heard that brought up as an issue. Let alone enough to make it an “age-old question.”

Shopping Maul said:

I’m probably gonna get slapped here, but I despise this film. Talk about Special editions - this film is ‘Han Shot First’ on steroids. Placing the Tantive at the battle itself and having Vader - who had just seen the rebels passing the plans through a doorway - suddenly get his facts wrong (“several transmissions were beamed to this ship…”),

Several transmissions were beamed to the ship that the Tantive was docked inside of:

The data from the drive that Erso took was uploaded in four simultaneous transmissions.
The dialog from the film confirms this, “Admiral, receiving transmissions from Scarif!”
As for Vader’s dialog, humdinger has already addressed how Vader isn’t shown to know that a Rebel is trying to get the plans onboard the Tantive. At that time all Vader is concerned with is stopping anyone from escaping. Where the plans are is a secondary concern to stopping the Tantive from launching.

followed by an interrogation with Leia that doesn’t remotely reflect what Vader has supposedly just witnessed

They both know she’s been caught red handed but that doesn’t mean she has to capitulate and admit to everything or anything. In that situation all she can do is deny, deny, deny and hope that Artoo can escape with the plans. And Vader knows she’s lying and openly calls her out on it, “You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!”

…and all so we can see Vader exhibit a particular badassery that he fails to wield ten minutes later in 1977?!?

As has already been pointed out, Vader was in a rush to stop the Tantive from launching before. By the time he’s caught up with them, they’re trapped with nowhere left to go. He doesn’t need to charge in. Why take the brunt of an attack when you have lackeys to do that for you?

Rogue One is by no means a perfect film but I would say it does an excellent job of capturing the feel of the OT era and of delivering on its original mandate which was to bring these opening paragraphs to life:

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire’s
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power to
destroy an entire planet.

BINGO

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Tobar said:

Shopping Maul said:

Does it actually say that about the reactor in RO (genuine question, I’ve only seen the film once)?

“The reactor module, that’s the key…any pressurized explosion to the reactor module will set off a chain reaction that will destroy the entire station.”

Aren’t volatile reactors all the rage throughout the saga? Anakin blows up a Trade Federation ship by accidentally hitting the reactor with big torpedoes. Death Star II is all about hitting the reactor. The Super-Star Destroyer cops it in the ol’ reactor too!

Take it up with Star Wars (1977):
“The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station.” - General Dodonna, Star Wars

Okay, so did the DS reactor in ROTJ have the same implanted flaw? What about the reactor on the Trade Federation ship? The saga clearly shows us that hitting the reactors can blow these things up. All three films demonstrate, as you quoted, that a hit to the reactor should do the trick.

So we’re left with two choices here. Galen Erso made the reactor extra explodey and hoped that somehow the rebels would get a crack at it. Or he designed the exhaust port and ‘cleverly’ made it nigh impossible to get a torpedo into.

Or the third choice - it all went down like the original movie said it did and the rebels simply exercised great ingenuity borne of desperation and, thanks to Luke Skywalker, achieved the nigh impossible.

Look, I get it. Many fans didn’t think the initial Death Star takedown was plausible, and RO supposedly answers that age-old question.

Uh…what? “Many fans”? Gonna need to see some examples of that as I’ve never heard that brought up as an issue. Let alone enough to make it an “age-old question.”

Google ‘Rogue One Death Star reactor flaw’ and you’ll see articles and blogs galore about this issue bothering fans over the years. I myself was unaware of this until RO came out and people started going on about this alleged problem. Like i said it never bothered me.

Shopping Maul said:

I’m probably gonna get slapped here, but I despise this film. Talk about Special editions - this film is ‘Han Shot First’ on steroids. Placing the Tantive at the battle itself and having Vader - who had just seen the rebels passing the plans through a doorway - suddenly get his facts wrong (“several transmissions were beamed to this ship…”),

Several transmissions were beamed to the ship that the Tantive was docked inside of:

Yes, not the Tantive itself. The dialogue makes no sense.

The data from the drive that Erso took was uploaded in four simultaneous transmissions.
The dialog from the film confirms this, “Admiral, receiving transmissions from Scarif!”
As for Vader’s dialog, humdinger has already addressed how Vader isn’t shown to know that a Rebel is trying to get the plans onboard the Tantive. At that time all Vader is concerned with is stopping anyone from escaping. Where the plans are is a secondary concern to stopping the Tantive from launching.

Sorry, I’m confused here. So Vader didn’t know the plans were being handed through the door and was only preventing any escapes. So why pursue the Tantive at all? It only makes sense to pursue Leia if he thinks the plans are aboard - and he’s only going to know this by virtue of having seen the plans being handed through the doorway - which means he knows they weren’t transmitted - which means the dialogue in ANH makes no sense…

followed by an interrogation with Leia that doesn’t remotely reflect what Vader has supposedly just witnessed

They both know she’s been caught red handed but that doesn’t mean she has to capitulate and admit to everything or anything. In that situation all she can do is deny, deny, deny and hope that Artoo can escape with the plans. And Vader knows she’s lying and openly calls her out on it, “You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!”

The whole point in ANH is that Vader’s holding her on suspicion alone - hence “holding her is dangerous, if word gets out etc etc”. Vader says “I have traced the rebel spies to her…”. Why not just say “she was present at the battle of Scariff, resisted arrest, and is now a war criminal”? And why not just say this to Leia, rather than some song and dance about supposed diplomatic missions to Alderaan?

…and all so we can see Vader exhibit a particular badassery that he fails to wield ten minutes later in 1977?!?

As has already been pointed out, Vader was in a rush to stop the Tantive from launching before. By the time he’s caught up with them, they’re trapped with nowhere left to go. He doesn’t need to charge in. Why take the brunt of an attack when you have lackeys to do that for you?

Fair enough, if that works for you (not being sarcastic here).

Rogue One is by no means a perfect film but I would say it does an excellent job of capturing the feel of the OT era and of delivering on its original mandate which was to bring these opening paragraphs to life:

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire’s
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power to
destroy an entire planet.

It does capture the look of the OT. I was amazed at the accuracy in depicting the tech and what-not in a way that links to ANH (rather than having TESB-style Star Destroyers circling the Death Star for example), but for me the movie overreaches by meddling with ANH plot points and upstaging what should (IMO) remain as Vader’s first entrance in ep 4.

Star Wars post-1980 is absolutely built on retcons - some work and some don’t. I just wish more care was taken with the writing. For example Lucas could simply have written the timeline so that Owen and Beru were actually the correct age, instead of having fans awkwardly postulate that they were ‘aged rapidly by the twin suns’. Or he could have had Padme survive for a few years (as originally planned) so that Leia could legitimately remember her (as opposed to the clumsy “uh, she was remembering through the Force but baby Luke couldn’t…”). Don’t get me started on “Leia, Leia’s my sister…” or Threepio having had a prior farming apprenticeship with Owen Lars…

Rogue One plays the same game for me. The plans weren’t beamed to the ship but Vader didn’t know that and Leia was at the battle but neither of them are admitting it and the Death star flaw was deliberate but not too deliberate etc etc. Why not just write a cool story about the acquisition of the plans, have them beamed to Leia, and leave ANH alone?

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Shopping Maul said:

Okay, so did the DS reactor in ROTJ have the same implanted flaw? What about the reactor on the Trade Federation ship? The saga clearly shows us that hitting the reactors can blow these things up. All three films demonstrate, as you quoted, that a hit to the reactor should do the trick.

In TPM and ROTJ they were able to get direct shots on the main reactor of those ships. In Star Wars they have to hit a vulernable reactor module that will set off a chain reaction that leads to the destruction of the main reactor.

Or the third choice - it all went down like the original movie said it did and the rebels simply exercised great ingenuity borne of desperation and, thanks to Luke Skywalker, achieved the nigh impossible.

Nothing in Rogue One precludes what you just said.

Yes, not the Tantive itself. The dialogue makes no sense.

Sorry, I’m confused here. So Vader didn’t know the plans were being handed through the door and was only preventing any escapes. So why pursue the Tantive at all? It only makes sense to pursue Leia if he thinks the plans are aboard - and he’s only going to know this by virtue of having seen the plans being handed through the doorway - which means he knows they weren’t transmitted - which means the dialogue in ANH makes no sense…

Why persue the Tantive? Precisely because he suspects the plans are aboard. The plans obviously weren’t found in the main computer of the Profundity so Vader likely suspects they were beamed directly to the Tantive. Even failing that, the Tantive was birthed inside the Profundity at the time the plans were transmitted. Making the Tantive tantamount to an extension of Profundity itself. Either way, the Tantive is directly tied to receiving the plans so of course it would be persued.

The whole point in ANH is that Vader’s holding her on suspicion alone - hence “holding her is dangerous, if word gets out etc etc”. Vader says “I have traced the rebel spies to her…”. Why not just say “she was present at the battle of Scariff, resisted arrest, and is now a war criminal”?

As was just covered, Vader does suspect the plans are onboard precisely because the Tantive is tied to these transmissions from Scarif.

And why not just say this to Leia, rather than some song and dance about supposed diplomatic missions to Alderaan?

I already went over why Leia is giving him a song and dance. And if you watch the scene again you’ll see Vader cut straight through her cover story every time she tries to use it: “Don’t act so surprised your highness, you weren’t on any mercy mission this time.” “You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!”

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Tobar is technically correct, but I agree with Maul’s points nonetheless. There is a checkmark next to each box where RO connects to ANH, but checking the box doesn’t mean that the plotlines feel continuous. Taking Vader at his word, and assuming that the most important pieces of information are being conveyed, the scene in ANH heavily implies that the plans were beamed directly to the Tantive. It also implies that Leia thought that she could not be directly tied to the theft of the plans, for several reasons:

  1. Leia is spending significant time to make a detour with vital intelligence, something that makes little sense if she knows she is being followed.

  2. Leia’s cover story concerns a ‘diplomatic mission to Alderaan’ which does not explain this detour to Tatooine, implying that she was completely unprepared for this encounter and contradicts the state of play at the end of RO.

  3. Vader’s conversation with the officer makes clear that the Empire is on thin ice by detaining this senator, which would not be the case if the Empire has overwhelming evidence of the Tantive undocking from the flagship of the Rebel Alliance carrying traitors to the Empire.

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Maybe it’s just me, but when I watch these movies it’s easy to compartmentalize. When I watch ANH, I rarely if ever have the events of RO or the prequels in the back of my mind. Whether they ‘ruin’ the story of ANH is irrelevant to me, they’re separate movies - I’ve always enjoyed the original SW as a movie on it’s own and there’s nothing stopping me from doing that.

On the other side of it, RO is obviously stretching the bounds of what could technically have happened with the dialogue from ANH in mind. But you know what? Who cares.

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That being said…

NeverarGreat said:

  1. Leia is spending significant time to make a detour with vital intelligence, something that makes little sense if she knows she is being followed.

  2. Leia’s cover story concerns a ‘diplomatic mission to Alderaan’ which does not explain this detour to Tatooine, implying that she was completely unprepared for this encounter and contradicts the state of play at the end of RO.

I believe the canon explanation is that the Tantive’s hyperdrive was damaged (why they were docked to begin with), which forced them to drop out of hyperspace and for Leia to give the plans to Obi-wan, and also what allowed the Imperials to track them.

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DominicCobb said:

On the other side of it, RO is obviously stretching the bounds of what could technically have happened with the dialogue from ANH in mind. But you know what? Who cares.

It’s not a dealbreaker and doesn’t ‘ruin’ either movie, but it does bug me that the fix would be so simple - just have the Tantive waiting on the edge of the battle somewhere, with the Profundity re-transmitting the plans as Vader fights his way to its comm center.

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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

On the other side of it, RO is obviously stretching the bounds of what could technically have happened with the dialogue from ANH in mind. But you know what? Who cares.

It’s not a dealbreaker and doesn’t ‘ruin’ either movie, but it does bug me that the fix would be so simple - just have the Tantive waiting on the edge of the battle somewhere, with the Profundity re-transmitting the plans as Vader fights his way to its comm center.

Yeah but the way they did it is more cinematically engaging.

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Yep. I kinda fall on both sides of this argument. I personally love Rogue One and don’t think it directly contradicts or detrimentally (keyword!) retcons anything from the OT. But it’s also not the cleanest/neatest way they could’ve handled bringing the dialogue to life and connecting the two films (R1 and ANH).

And, heck, the whole ending of R1 is quite convoluted. They close the shield gate which traps our heroes. So our heroes decide to transmit the plans instead, knowing they can’t escape the planet. But to transmit the plans they have to blow a hole in the shield gate, i.e. The very thing trapping them on the surface and forcing them to transmit (rather than carry) the plans… it really doesn’t make any sense. I can kinda rationalize it by thinking “well, they know they can’t get out and even blowing a hole in the gate would be a really dicey chance of getting off planet. But at least they can send the plans through the hole first to ensure they get out and then our heroes can make their best effort to escape once they know the plans made it.” But ultimately it’s rather sloppy writing. But I still love the movie!

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Perhaps it’s the re-shoots that made things a bit sloppy? Would be nice if they showed some of that alternate footage at Celebration someday.

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Yep, the shield breaking is kinda sloppy. It would have been better to take down a “proxy/firewall” shield (like Ben deactivating the magnetic field in ANH) than tearing apart a “physical” shield. The shot of the destroyer falling into it is neat, but quite over the top considering in ANH Imperial Officers don’t seem that impressed by the Rebel victory over Scarif (guys, they just destroyed a couple of Star Destroyer, a planetary shield, and the Imperial Army archives have been wiped out because of them ! How is it possible that Tarkin under estimates their chances in ANH ?!?).

So, how I would have pictured it with a less obvious rewriting:

  • commando team reaches the planet surface
  • they get the plans
  • they try to escape with the plans
  • shield is closed, damned ! (their pilot was killed anyway, but still…)
  • idea ! we can transmitte them
  • man, there is an “anti data transmission” shield ! F*** !
  • ok guys, this one can be taken down on the surface
  • ok, job is done, transmite the plans !
  • the dish is not aligned… come on guys for f*** sakes !
  • dish aligned, good !
  • damned, how come Krennic is there ?
  • cool, Krennic is out, wasn’t easy with all his dark troopers but it’s cool, now push it, beam the plans !
  • ABOARD REBEL AMIRAL SHIP : yeah, we get the plans, now we can leav… hum, what’s that noise ?
  • FRACKING VADER WITH A RED SABER GOING BERSERK, run you fools !!!
  • ok, quickly beam the plans to Leia’s ship, she’s the closest we can trust, beam several transmissions to be sure
  • TANTIVE IV : Princess, we just got several transmissions. They contain the DS plans. Here is a storage card with all the data. Bad news is, there seems to be an Imperial ship going on our way…
  • A NEW HOPE

So you remove the “master switch” subplot to replace it with a “destroy the anti-transmitter” action scene, and it’s done !

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“Until this battlestation is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped; they’re more dangerous than you realize.”

“Dangerous to ‘your starfleet,’ commander, not to this battlestation.”

Tarkin also underestimates them because he overestimates the Death Star’s invulnerability. The station doesn’t have any Star Destroyers protecting it, something Palpatine apparently took into account setting up the trap in ROTJ. And Tarkin ordering the base on Scarif vaporized doesn’t technically count as a Rebel win.
With likely no surviving Imperials on the ground to contradict his view of the situation, Tarkin made himself look good and everyone down on the planet, (including Krennic) was collateral damage. Even though he couldn’t know the Rebels were unlikely to take the base, (which they weren’t actually trying to do) he saw the opportunity to put his new toy to use.

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Amazing Shots of ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY’:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbozyYNrWmc (around 4 minutes long - around 2 hours short, in my humble opinion 😉 )

^ from the Amazing Shots youtube channel; they also do many videos for other films and tv shows (and some more Star Wars content).
 

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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I really do think Greig’s work Rogue One might make it the most impressively photographed movie in the whole series. Even more than Suschitzky’s work on Empire. The movie itself has no shortage of problems, absolutely. But its look is definitely not one of those problems.

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Rogue One’s cinematography certainly made me feel like how it was to watch Star Wars/A New Hope the first time when I was very little. Back then I didn’t notice all the imperfections and I just felt immersed in a galaxy far far away.

Probably why it’s still my favorite Disney era SW movie.

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Maybe I’m alone in this but Fraser’s cinematography (particularly the extensive use of shallow DOF, as well as the various handheld shots) felt rather un-Star Warsy to me - but that’s why I liked it. As with Solo they were stepping out of a typical SW look for a spin-off (but still retaining a unique and artistic approach, not just like any old blockbuster).

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emanswfan said:

Rogue One’s cinematography certainly made me feel like how it was to watch Star Wars/A New Hope the first time when I was very little. Back then I didn’t notice all the imperfections and I just felt immersed in a galaxy far far away.

Probably why it’s still my favorite Disney era SW movie.

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Maybe I’m alone in this but Fraser’s cinematography (particularly the extensive use of shallow DOF, as well as the various handheld shots) felt rather un-Star Warsy to me - but that’s why I liked it. As with Solo they were stepping out of a typical SW look for a spin-off (but still retaining a unique and artistic approach, not just like any old blockbuster).

I don’t think these two posts disagree. It does feel new for Star Wars, like Dom says, but it also gives the feeling of seeing this world for the first time, just like the first time you saw one of the films, like eman is saying.
It certainly gave me the feeling that I was back in the StarWars77 world, but viewing it from a different eye.

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