Ronster said:
Would you move Slasher Vader in to Star Wars though? and extend the attack on the Tantive?
Nah. ANH is a perfect movie already damaged by bad additions in 1997/2004/2011; Darth Jason Voorhees Vader (and his weird retro costume that’s falling apart…) of the terrible Rogue One does not belong in this classic.
Ronster said:
Would you move Slasher Vader in to Star Wars though? and extend the attack on the Tantive?Nah. ANH is a perfect movie already damaged by bad additions in 1997/2004/2011; Darth Jason Voorhees Vader (and his weird retro costume that’s falling apart…) of the terrible Rogue One does not belong in this classic.
Why are you even in this thread?
Ronster said:
Would you move Slasher Vader in to Star Wars though? and extend the attack on the Tantive?Nah. ANH is a perfect movie already damaged by bad additions in 1997/2004/2011; Darth Jason Voorhees Vader (and his weird retro costume that’s falling apart…) of the terrible Rogue One does not belong in this classic.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thread crapping
Where were you in '77?
There is an edit idea I find terrible. I tell it. Sadly when a few pages earlier I made real suggestions there was no reply 😦
You want more suggestions ? Move the fashback to the beginning of the movie, when Jynn is in the bunker. It should bear more sense to what the audience has just witnessed (Krennic/Erso relationship).
I have only seen the movie once and liked it, but I agree with a lot of the great ideas here, especially from The Aluminum Falcon. As mentioned, only seen once, so pardon the question: Would removing the mind-reading tentacle alien create some plot hole? Can’t exactly remember.
Also, would you only remove the scene with Vader and Krennic in Vader’s castle, or also the Bacta tank scene? Maybe the latter cannot “stand” on its own, without any conclusive scene that explains what we just have seen and why.
In my current idea, I would start at the view of the Ring of Kafene, then directly jumping into a scene where the storm troopers rush to find Cassian. Maybe even skip that he killed the informant. In another spoiler thread someone suggested that he would look too evil for the viewer if he commited homicide at the beginning of the movie, which would hinder the viewer to build up sympathies for Cassian and also not killing the informant would explain better that he hesitate at shooting Galen.
Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:
And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle. It just doesn’t make sense!
Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!
Damn You!!!
I didn’t like the movie mostly because the rebel characters are totally inexistent and underdeveloped (and the alliance representation is lame as ever – rebels who don’t want to rebel because the Empire is too powerful… seriously…) and there is no pacing at all (I’ve never been so bored in front of a SW flick…), but the Empire is not that “damaged” (well, Krennic is too weak for someone called « director » but this is something that can be changed thanks to fanediting), so, instead of a complete reworking of the movie I would suggest to only keep (minus some modifications) the Empire material. No rebels, no Yavin IV, no Erso, nothing, except at the very end when they attack (so no “rebellion are built on hope” bullshit). Just Krennic, Tarkin, Vader, father Erso. Some kind of an one hour prologue to ANH. A few other things could be changed to reference the clone wars when the prologue starts (in an opening crawl, adding that the intro sequence is set a few years after the end of the clone wars and the foundation of the first galactic empire), and it should work. Obviously Tarkin will still be cartoonish and Vader will still be Jason Voorhees (unless the ending sequence is also removed entirely), but I believe it can save a few scenes.
Other idea: why not adding this to the end of a heavily fanedited ROTS version? Or with ROTS material used as flashbacks ?
Other idea: why not adding this to the end of a heavily fanedited ROTS version? Or with ROTS material used as flashbacks ?
Because the (presumed) goal is to make it better, not worse.
I didn’t like the movie mostly because the rebel characters are totally inexistent and underdeveloped (and the alliance representation is lame as ever – rebels who don’t want to rebel because the Empire is too powerful… seriously…) and there is no pacing at all (I’ve never been so bored in front of a SW flick…), but the Empire is not that “damaged” (well, Krennic is too weak for someone called « director » but this is something that can be changed thanks to fanediting), so, instead of a complete reworking of the movie I would suggest to only keep (minus some modifications) the Empire material. No rebels, no Yavin IV, no Erso, nothing, except at the very end when they attack (so no “rebellion are built on hope” bullshit). Just Krennic, Tarkin, Vader, father Erso. Some kind of an one hour prologue to ANH. A few other things could be changed to reference the clone wars when the prologue starts (in an opening crawl, adding that the intro sequence is set a few years after the end of the clone wars and the foundation of the first galactic empire), and it should work. Obviously Tarkin will still be cartoonish and Vader will still be Jason Voorhees (unless the ending sequence is also removed entirely), but I believe it can save a few scenes.
Other idea: why not adding this to the end of a heavily fanedited ROTS version? Or with ROTS material used as flashbacks ?
Soooooo basically everything about it sucks (including Vader in his prime)… but adding references to the prequels OR actual prequel footage will make it better? lol yikes.
I loved RO… the only cringe-worthy moment IMO was when that slime monster came out. Other than getting rid of that thing, I’d say we wait for some of the deleted/unused footage, as I believe there will be a lot - then hopefully, we can really piece together some new versions… OR maybe just add in some ROTS footage 😉
Believe it or not. I actually contemplated adding some prequel footage. But in a very minimal sense.
One Prequel to rule them all! And in the Darkness Bind Them.
😃
ForceGhostRecon said:
(including Vader in his prime)
I have to insist, but the weird guy killing random rebels with a red lightsaber at the end is not Vader: it’s Jason Voorhees wearing a Vader halloween costume (Rogue One is the best Friday the 13th since Jason X !). So yep, you can end up with something far superior by removing the shitty parts: that’s the spirit of fanediting. If you love the film as it is, don’t change it. The slim thing is not even that terrible compared to the lack of good characters…
But the guy in the prequels is Vader? Lol.
But the guy in the prequels is Vader? Lol.
No: he’s Anakin Skywalker. He only becomes Vader after the “Nooooo” (so Vader appears only in two shots, at the very end).
I believe we are seeing the effects of a few too many reviews likening the new Vader scene to a “scene out of a horror movie”
I guess it may have been too much for some people, but for the vast majority…
The vast majority thought AOTC was great back in 2002, so you know…
And I haven’t read reviews of R1 prior to thinking that about this “Vader” scene, but I guess you’re missing the point here. I’ve already explained why this scene is terrible, even HulkFilmCritic wrote a nice paper about it.
MalàStrana said:
rebels who don’t want to rebel because the Empire is too powerful… seriously…)
You may have a call from PM Chamberlain.
In real life, people pressed by circumstances; or fearless completely loony people.
“Heroes”, only in Hollywood.
But the guy in the prequels is Vader? Lol.
No: he’s Anakin Skywalker. He only becomes Vader after the “Nooooo” (so Vader appears only in two shots, at the very end).
So when he’s in the suit talking about Padme, he’s not Vader. And when he walks like Frankenstein and shouts “Nooooooooo” he’s not Vader.
I agree!
Seriously though, you’re playing a game of semantics. Lucas tried to have Vader in the entire PT via Anakin…that was his whole reason for doing the PT. And Lucas fails miserably because Anakin/Vader fails miserably. The costume (and when he is or isn’t wearing it) is the least important part.
TV’s Frink said:
I agree!
It had to happen one day. I’m shedding tears of joy right now.
Seriously though, you’re playing a game of semantics. Lucas tried to have Vader in the entire PT via Anakin…that was his whole reason for doing the PT. And Lucas fails miserably because Anakin/Vader fails miserably. The costume (and when he is or isn’t wearing it) is the least important part.
Even if I don’t hate the PT as you do I can’t really argue with that, but the fact remains that (imho) in R1 we still don’t see Vader… at the exception of the shot on the Star Destroyer deck when he arrives at the end (before the Jason Voorhees scene).
(another idea for you fanedit by the way: play this song for the corridor sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBqHjis_cM)
seems legit.
Hahahaha.
ForceGhostRecon said:
(including Vader in his prime)I have to insist, but the weird guy killing random rebels with a red lightsaber at the end is not Vader: it’s Jason Voorhees wearing a Vader halloween costume (Rogue One is the best Friday the 13th since Jason X !). So yep, you can end up with something far superior by removing the shitty parts: that’s the spirit of fanediting. If you love the film as it is, don’t change it. The slim thing is not even that terrible compared to the lack of good characters…
Vader is Jason anyway. He is an almost impossible to stop semi-supernatural, angry, scarred monster who kills people.
ForceGhostRecon said:
(including Vader in his prime)I have to insist, but the weird guy killing random rebels with a red lightsaber at the end is not Vader: it’s Jason Voorhees wearing a Vader halloween costume (Rogue One is the best Friday the 13th since Jason X !). So yep, you can end up with something far superior by removing the shitty parts: that’s the spirit of fanediting. If you love the film as it is, don’t change it. The slim thing is not even that terrible compared to the lack of good characters…
Vader is Jason anyway. He is an almost impossible to stop semi-supernatural, angry, scarred monster who kills people.
Which is why when you hear of a character with that sort of a reputation and don’t see him prove such claims, it is so amazing to see the character live up to such a reputation. Like I’ve said before…that Vader scene is one of the most satisfying cinematic moments of all time for me.
Fwiw I loved the Darth vorhees scene. Does it fit with what happens at the start of sw77…nooooooooo! But it is Vader and it is kick ass. And does match up with the separatist slaughter on mustafar. And the sandpeople masacre.
Also He becomes Vader after Mace L Jackson gets killed by big papa palpy. Starts turning at the sandperson slaughter.
As for the conversation on viewing order I would suggest
SW77
ESB
Your favorite 3 in one PT
(Shows the fall of vader so you might care)
Rouge one (still iffy on this but it would be more difficult to see enraged vader after his redemption in rotj)
ROTJ
TFA
My fan edit ideas
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Sith-Revenge-of-the-Jedi-by-marduk666/id/17356
I would defo edit the opening.
Remove the jumping planet to planet and titles.
It definitely needs the star wars fanfare and crawl.
Remove the mind reading monster.
Corny jokes removed.
3po r2 cameo removed.
Darth vader choke, didn’t need to show his fingers. And definitely remove the “choking on your ambitions” line that was cringe worthy.
Showing Leia’s face he back was enough.
Vader’s castle removed.
Vader scene(s) removed.
All easter eggs removed.
Stardust references removed.
Stardust references removed.
Why would you want to remove Jyn’s only character moment?
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Stardust references removed.
Why would you want to remove Jyn’s only character moment?
I just think its cheesy.
I forgot I would remove the chanting. That annoyed me. Considering he had no force powers at all! He’d have been better as a mute!