1h 48m 40s into that 2 hour video you plugged on here.
He never bashes the fan restorations though, right after RJ brings up the restorations he just goes and comments on how some fans want to take away all of Lucas’ accomplishments because they were dissatisfied with the special editions and prequels.
See SparkySywer’s replies on this - in both of his latest posts - for more or less my answer on topic too. So, yes, Nerdanymous does indeed bash fan restorations.
(and Nerdanymous seems to get quite triggered and angry about it too as he progresses with his ‘some fans’… “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him” spiel; whilst showing a FactRepublic image stating some of Marcia’s contributions to the film, and some of what she edited - for which she won an Oscar for).
De Palma? He is also on record as saying the crawl didn’t make any sense at all - ‘gibberish’ (?), kidding Lucas about the Force etc, what’s going on around here, that he didn’t understand the story, who are these people, who’s the hairy guy, etc’. “But you have to understand, we used to look at each other’s movies in order to be helpful. We might say some things that weren’t nice.” - De Palma also admits his harsh criticisms didn’t always go down well for some, yet Lucas never took offense to his remarks about the movie.
Isn’t the audio footage used by RJ from the HBO doc on Spielberg? Spielberg actually doing his De Palma impression? (it has been a long time since I watched it; I think it is - though could be wrong).
So, no… the RJ video did not lie.
He gave an impression that the rough cut was universally hated when De Palma was the only one with problems.
No, the RJ video made no such claim. What RJ actually stated was:-
“In February of 1977 George Lucas invited some of his closest friends to watch a rough cut of his new film… Star Wars. In attendance among a handful of people were were Steven Spielberg and Brian De Palma. The response was… not good. According to Spielberg this is how De Palma reacted… (inserts Spielberg’s audio of the De Palams’ reaction)”.
That is literally it - from 8 seconds in to 38 seconds in of the RJ video.
So, no… the RJ video did not lie as you claimed before.
And neither the RJ give an “impression that the rough cut was universally hated”.
They simply quoted Richard Chew, from ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler, as saying:-
“In the first five minutes we were hitting everybody with more information they could handle. There were too many storylines to keep straight: the robots and the princess, Vader, Luke. So we simplified it by taking Luke and Biggs out”.
This is quite strange… as apparently ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler is a trusted and “peer-written published material” for you… yet now it is a lie? Huh, interesting that.
So, no… the RJ video did not lie.
The Making of Star Wars isn’t a lie nor is that quote, and I never said it was. What happened is that RJ conveniently left out parts of that quote that come immediately before and after it that prove that it was Lucas’ decision to cut those Luke scenes, not the editors. Nerdonymous literally shows the full quotes in his video.
This is about your claims about the RJ video - and not the Nerdonymous video or ‘Making Of’ book.
The Richard Chew quote, in the context of the RJ video, says… “So we simplified it by taking Luke and Biggs out”, the ‘we’ in that quote - could be referring to anyone; as part of the group of people who worked on the film, or him and his fellow editors - including Lucas, or the people in the editing rooms at the time of decision - including Lucas, or assistant editors, and so on… It was also used in the RJ video to highlight how scenes in films get removed around in the editing process. There is no lie or deception in the context of the RJ video about this topic.
So again - on your claims of the RJ video ‘lies’… no, RocketJump did not lie.
As for ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book… see the end ‘by the way’ section towards the end of this post.
they lied about the reasons the Death Star scenes were moved later
The conference scene on board the Death Star? What exactly is your reason for claiming that RocketJump ‘lied’ to be?
Seems it simply made more sense to the story to re-arrange those scenes, yes?
If you watched the video you would know that it’s proven through The Making of Star Wars by Rinzler that the reason those scenes were rearranged was not for story purposes, it was strictly for the reason that Scorsese thought there was too much exposition in the beginning. It wasn’t because the original arrangement made no sense.
I’ve watched the Nerdanymous video - unfortunately, as well you know.
However, when you stated in the OP of this thread…
RocketJump’s video is a bunch of lying, bias nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board.
I asked you…
It is? How so (other than a couple of mistakes in the RJ video)? Please don’t point me to watch the Nerdonymous video - what are the lies, bias, nonsense, misdirection and misinformation you claim there to be in the RocketJump video.
Again, this is about your claims about the RJ video - and not the Nerdonymous video or ‘Making Of’ book.
Some advice, G&G-Fan… when you’re deep in a hole (like the one you started shovelling with in the OP of this thread), stop digging. 👍
By the way, you should know ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ book by Rinzler that you ‘trust actual peer-written published material over others’ (paraphrasing)… also contains errors, uses Special Edition images passed off as theatrical cut images, and includes retcons inserted by George himself (as Rinzler himself later admitted).
However, nobody is seemingly going around claiming ‘The Making Of Star Wars’ to be “literally a lie”, or similarly like, either. Maybe Nerdonymous’ next video will? And you may then make a thread claiming the Rinzler book is then also “literally a lie”… though let’s not literally hold out breath on that one though, eh? 😉
Highlighting the ‘errors’ or ‘mistakes’ in media is good form - in a civil, factual & informative manner. There are many forms of media out there - books, docs, videos, specials, interviews, and other programs… many of which feature errors, mistakes, variances of recollections, some retcons and so on… If official releases such as Rinzler’s well researched ‘Making Of Star Wars’ books (much credit to Charles Lippincott; RIP) contains such mistakes; even after passing numerous checks, and also receives the ‘okay’ from the publishers, George, Lucasfilm & lawyers etc… then an online ‘video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’ may well contain a few errors too. It happens.
As said to you previously…
Some of the RJ video you may disagree with, some of it may indeed be incorrect (or there are other sources / recollections by people used in that could be seen as conflicting with each other), or some of it ‘from a certain point of view’… YMMV.