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SilverWook said:

Way to stereotype an entire genre. Guys my age grew up watching anime on tv before we even knew it had a name. I can’t be the only one here who watched Speed Racer, Battle of The Planets, or Star Blazers?

The generalization he made is the exact same generalization that Frink and Tyrphanax have been giving as “proof” that all Japanese animation is objectively terrible.

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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Liking anime is just as valid as liking Star Wars (especially the way we like our Star Wars). I don’t understand this argument at all.

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Watching all Star Wars is an accomplishable task. Watching all anime isn’t.

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yhwx said:

Watching all Star Wars is an accomplishable task. Watching all anime isn’t.

And watching all of either of them would be a useless waist of time.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

yhwx said:

Watching all Star Wars is an accomplishable task. Watching all anime isn’t.

And watching all of either of them would be a useless waist of time.

Exactly.

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Density said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’ve seen all of it. It’s all objectively bad.

Are you joking, or did you just not enjoy them because of overhype or cultural differences?

I too have seen all of them. I didn’t enjoy them, but not because they were overhyped or cultural differences. As a matter of fact, I wish American culture was more like Japanese culture as I wish it was socially acceptable to watch cartoon schoolgirls get molested by tentacles. I also like stuff that is overhyped because I like to be a contrarian to contrarians. So that wasn’t the problem.

No, I just didn’t think it was clear enough when anime characters were expressing emotions. I found the whole thing far too subtle and found it difficult to understand character motivations. It needed more ridiculously exaggerated character animation and more characters screaming things obnoxiously that no human would ever say. Plus, the acting wasn’t nearly bad enough for my tastes.

Nailed it.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does anime have to be bad?

Yes.

However if it is bad that doesn’t automatically make it anime, so we’re at a bit of a standoff here.

A girl can wear a hat, but not all girls wear hats.

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Density said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’ve seen all of it. It’s all objectively bad.

Are you joking, or did you just not enjoy them because of overhype or cultural differences?

I too have seen all of them. I didn’t enjoy them, but not because they were overhyped or cultural differences. As a matter of fact, I wish American culture was more like Japanese culture as I wish it was socially acceptable to watch cartoon schoolgirls get molested by tentacles. I also like stuff that is overhyped because I like to be a contrarian to contrarians. So that wasn’t the problem.

No, I just didn’t think it was clear enough when anime characters were expressing emotions. I found the whole thing far too subtle and found it difficult to understand character motivations. It needed more ridiculously exaggerated character animation and more characters screaming things obnoxiously that no human would ever say. Plus, the acting wasn’t nearly bad enough for my tastes.

If you haven’t seen it, the Fullmetal Alchemist reboot may be exactly like what you are looking for. The story includes a new form of alchemy, and shows the Elrics’ adventures with goofy people from the China-parallel country of Xing and the terrifying hardened battle-machines from Fort Briggs.

If you have seen it, can everybody who has just agree how much more sense it makes? The 2003 series’ Wrath is CONVOLUTED AS HELL (SPOILERS Oh, look! It’s a kid who was a failed human transmutation who is actually successful and was sacrificed to the Gate of Truth in a ritual that required sacrifice to make him in the first place and turned him into a weird black baby who took Edward Elric’s limbs to live in our world in an island for years until the Elrics’ found him, and yadayadada END SPOILERS), and the twists at the end are just too much for my brain to process (Parallel worlds? Nazis? Couldn’t Ed just kill himself to return back to Amestris? This doesn’t count as spoilers because knowing the twist before is better than going in blind).

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BillionaireHobo287 said:

If you have seen it, can everybody who has just agree how much more sense it makes? The 2003 series’ Wrath is CONVOLUTED AS HELL (SPOILERS Oh, look! It’s a kid who was a failed human transmutation who is actually successful and was sacrificed to the Gate of Truth in a ritual that required sacrifice to make him in the first place and turned him into a weird black baby who took Edward Elric’s limbs to live in our world in an island for years until the Elrics’ found him, and yadayadada END SPOILERS), and the twists at the end are just too much for my brain to process (Parallel worlds? Nazis? Couldn’t Ed just kill himself to return back to Amestris? This doesn’t count as spoilers because knowing the twist before is better than going in blind).

I would recommend reading the original comic of FMA. If you have to watch it, then watch FMA: Brotherhood. The 2003 series surpassed the comic and just wrote it’s own story (which is why Brotherhood was made, in a way).

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Bingowings said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does anime have to be bad?

Yes.

However if it is bad that doesn’t automatically make it anime, so we’re at a bit of a standoff here.

A girl can wear a hat, but not all girls wear hats.

Zoom for lurid details :

“Welcome plowing match”?! That’s misogynist!

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Dek Rollins said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

If you have seen it, can everybody who has just agree how much more sense it makes? The 2003 series’ Wrath is CONVOLUTED AS HELL (SPOILERS Oh, look! It’s a kid who was a failed human transmutation who is actually successful and was sacrificed to the Gate of Truth in a ritual that required sacrifice to make him in the first place and turned him into a weird black baby who took Edward Elric’s limbs to live in our world in an island for years until the Elrics’ found him, and yadayadada END SPOILERS), and the twists at the end are just too much for my brain to process (Parallel worlds? Nazis? Couldn’t Ed just kill himself to return back to Amestris? This doesn’t count as spoilers because knowing the twist before is better than going in blind).

I would recommend reading the original comic of FMA. If you have to watch it, then watch FMA: Brotherhood. The 2003 series surpassed the comic and just wrote it’s own story (which is why Brotherhood was made, in a way).

I disagree. The reason the 2003 series HAS to be seen first is because a. It’s good and cannot be enjoyed well after watching the fast-paced Brotherhood and b. It does total justice to Maes Hughes, who is EXTREMELY important to the main characters and their stories (especially Roy Mustang since an event involving Maes Hughes was practically the inciting incident for him to move on to Edward Elric’s level as a protagonist). If the 2003 series was created with the stories of the Homunculi and Dante in mind since the beginning, it might’ve made more sense.

Maybe you don’t want to watch the entire series, but at least watch the first 25 episodes, and that way you have around 10 episodes of recap in Brotherhood with a fast pace and as much new material as possible working from the manga/comic (counting Episode 1 and 11 as one because they do have 2003 series elements despite seemingly being their own thing).

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Dig those live hatless girls. Look at the upper ears on that… phroar.

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Density said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’ve seen all of it. It’s all objectively bad.

Are you joking, or did you just not enjoy them because of overhype or cultural differences?

I too have seen all of them. I didn’t enjoy them, but not because they were overhyped or cultural differences. As a matter of fact, I wish American culture was more like Japanese culture as I wish it was socially acceptable to watch cartoon schoolgirls get molested by tentacles. I also like stuff that is overhyped because I like to be a contrarian to contrarians. So that wasn’t the problem.

No, I just didn’t think it was clear enough when anime characters were expressing emotions. I found the whole thing far too subtle and found it difficult to understand character motivations. It needed more ridiculously exaggerated character animation and more characters screaming things obnoxiously that no human would ever say. Plus, the acting wasn’t nearly bad enough for my tastes.

The heck did I just read?

I’ve said it before and I’ll sat it again; how does anyone even manage to generalise an entire country’s animation as one thing? Sure, there’s a lot of trash in anime, as it is with any film/TV industry, but some of it’s pretty good, occasionally even brilliant (as it is with any film/TV industry).

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I’ve seen all of it. No generalization necessary.

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Putting on my serious face for a second, I have actually seen no anime, except maybe a couple episodes of Pokemon years ago if that counts. But I have less than zero interest in it, so… Knock yourselves out if you like it.

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Density said:

Putting on my serious face for a second, I have actually seen no anime, except maybe a couple episodes of Pokemon years ago if that counts. But I have less than zero interest in it, so… Knock yourselves out if you like it.

Well, you’re still treating it as one thing though.

There’s no “it” with anime, it’s a generalised term for an entire country’s animated industry.
If all you’ve seen is Pokemon I can see where you’re coming from though. However if you look up something like f.ex. Grave of the Fireflies on YouTube (just the trailer or a random scene) you’ll see how varied “anime” can be.

Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.

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Density said:

Putting on my serious face for a second, I have actually seen no anime, except maybe a couple episodes of Pokemon years ago if that counts. But I have less than zero interest in it, so… Knock yourselves out if you like it.

Watch the first 3 minutes of this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qd0i5KR4hIM , and if you aren’t hooked, anime doesn’t fit you. Brothers try to ressurect their mother, and awful shit happens. The English acting is one of the best in the business too, so that helps.

If you are hooked, watch the entire original series then move on to a reboot called Brotherhood. It was all available on Netflix, but it might not be there anymore.

EDIT: What you are judging from FUCKING POKEMON (shit series even in the beginning) is the equivalent of a Japanese person thinking American cinema sucks just from watching Michael Bay’s Transformers movies despite Pixar, Star Wars, the Godfather Part I and II, Casablanca, Vertigo, Citizen Kane, etc. I admit I only like the Fullmetal Alchemist series, Attack on Titan, and the Avatar series because I haven’t seen much of it, but there are some insane anime movies out there. There are things you can do in animation that are impossible in live action.

Yeah, popular anime tends to suck, but just look at Transformers and Twilight.

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BillionaireHobo287 said:

Density said:

Putting on my serious face for a second, I have actually seen no anime, except maybe a couple episodes of Pokemon years ago if that counts. But I have less than zero interest in it, so… Knock yourselves out if you like it.

Watch the first 3 minutes of this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qd0i5KR4hIM , and if you aren’t hooked, anime doesn’t fit you.

That’s not true. Not liking one story doesn’t mean you’ll hate every story ever told.
I don’t like that Fullmeatal show, but I loved Cowboy Bebop.
Also, if someone has no interest in something, why try shoving it on them? I have friends with zero interest in Star Wars, and I’ve got no plans to make them watch it.

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ray_afraid said:

BillionaireHobo287 said:

Density said:

Putting on my serious face for a second, I have actually seen no anime, except maybe a couple episodes of Pokemon years ago if that counts. But I have less than zero interest in it, so… Knock yourselves out if you like it.

Watch the first 3 minutes of this, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qd0i5KR4hIM , and if you aren’t hooked, anime doesn’t fit you.

That’s not true. Not liking one story doesn’t mean you’ll hate every story ever told.
I don’t like that Fullmeatal show, but I loved Cowboy Bebop.
Also, if someone has no interest in something, why try shoving it on them? I have friends with zero interest in Star Wars, and I’ve got no plans to make them watch it.

I agree, but I’m seeing from this guy’s point of view. He hates anime because he saw some episodes of Pokemon.

Why? Overhype? Sucky second half?

Conversation.

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As this has ceased to be related to Star Wars, moving to off topic.

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Where were you in '77?

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Was just about to ask.

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I was about to say because the move confused the shit out of me…