'Rey Skywalker' (Upcoming live action motion picture) - general discussion thread — Page 5

NFBisms said:

The annoying thing about anti-woke discourse is that it’s reactionary to a climate that’s at least a decade past at this point. No one ever really bought into that kind of tokenism except ineffectual lib Disney adults in 2014, or like, literal children. So all the whining about a corporation chasing a profitable demographic feels smug and incurious. If it’s a shield for criticism, then corpos need a new blacksmith, because this discourse has never failed to pop up about anything.

Even if something is crap - why is part of the “analysis” going to the race/identity well at all? The answer is always rooted in specific confirmation biased speculation, and it’s only ever triggered by the subjectivity of if the work in question landed well or not. And even in a positive direction, that lens becomes condescending, as though gay/black/minority/whatever progressive thing rose above itself this time. feels unfair

who needs media literacy when wokeness can be the eternal scapegoat

No one said that anyone bought into the tokenism. I don’t really understand what your point is here.

StarkillerAG said:

That was a massive paragraph, but yeah. The only reason why the anti-woke crowd backed John Boyega after TROS is because he was a “model minority”, so to speak. Reactionaries could point to him and say “See, I’m not racist, I support this black guy who agrees with my talking points!” Meanwhile, they could conveniently slip their TFA videos bashing Finn for being a black stormtrooper under the rug, because it doesn’t fit with their new narrative.

And that’s the most important thing to anti-woke Internet personalities: “narrative”. They want some quick, snazzy soundbites to get conservatives riled up about whatever’s popular now, even if they end up blatantly contradicting themselves. They’re the Fox News of YouTube movie criticism, and no one should take them even remotely seriously.

That’s not why. It’s mostly that they just hate Disney and will take anything they can get as far as public criticism or behind-the-scenes drama.

The way you guys talk about this stuff is all part of the same pointless cyclical media firestorm that happens every time. If your automatic response to any criticism or any reference to politics is “ugh, those Fox News types, am I right?” you are just the other side of the same coin. You are part of a viral marketing campaign. Some of you are okay with that, I think.

Vladius said:
No one said that anyone bought into the tokenism. I don’t really understand what your point is here.

pretty sure you did, sorry if i misunderstood, this is what i was latching onto:

their female, black, etc. status is picked ahead of time as a shield for criticism

anyway - My point was, anti-wokeness is still on a conversation about the mere inclusion of progressive ideas/representation and that’s boring at best. There are real discussions we could have about representation and all the nuances about what makes an example good or bad, but anti-woke can never move on from the fact that they exist at all and will be embedded into work through a variety of different means. It’s an attitude content to default to the most vanilla, uncontroversial take about corporations with a dash of reactionary politics, handwaving every interesting thing there is to talk about in regards to media and its creation.

Just don’t give obvious A-holes the attention they clamor for…it’s that simple. Keep the conversations to the intelligent minded.

‘Damon Lindelof Says He Was ‘Asked to Leave’ His Star Wars Project’:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a43728671/damon-lindelof-star-wars
 

“I was in more than talks to join the Star Wars universe,” Lindelof says. “I joined the Star Wars universe and was asked to leave.”

Though he doesn’t seem deterred by it:

"“Will I get back in line outside the club and try to get back in again?” Lindelof asks himself in the interview. “Absolutely.” The original Star Wars was the first film the director ever saw in theaters, and he’s still in love with the storytelling. “If at first you don’t succeed, try and try again,” he jokes, “or again again try, as Yoda would say.”
 

I hope he does get the chance to do something with Star Wars, though no more “mystery boxes”.

StarkillerAG said:
the two moments that everyone says were stolen (the cavalry arriving and the “I am” one-liner) are pretty common fantasy blockbuster tropes. Those moments were pretty dumb, don’t get me wrong, but not because they were ripping off Marvel.

That’s two things too many and frankly I find it suspicious, particularly when they’ve said other things like Rey Palpatine were changed at the last minute.

StarkillerAG said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Just don’t give obvious A-holes the attention they clamor for…it’s that simple. Keep the conversations to the intelligent minded.

Yeah, you’re right. I just don’t like when people pretend that the A-holes don’t exist, and that the claims of A-holes existing are corporate proaganda or something. They’re real, and they’re a problem.

Anybody who tries to argue that the Fandom Menace doesn’t exist is a member of the Fandom Menace, whether they know it or not.

Also, go watch the Sarah Z video “Sacrificial Trash” about the phenomenon of mediocre-to-subpar media made by or featuring marginalized groups getting intense right-wing backlash and said backlash coloring the popular opinion of said media. I’m oversimplifying, but it’s a fascinating concept that arguably applies to this franchise.

StarkillerAG said:

And the first moment I mentioned, Lando arriving with the cavalry, has been documented to have been in the movie from the very beginning: it was in Colin Trevorrow’s “Duel of the Fates” draft, written before Endgame even started filming. So that obviously couldn’t have been Endgame inspired.

It’s also in Lord of the Rings, when the Rohan army arrives at the last minute to turn the tide of the ongoing battle at Helms Deep. That goes back to the 1960s.

Marooned Biker Scout said:

‘Damon Lindelof Says He Was ‘Asked to Leave’ His Star Wars Project’:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a43728671/damon-lindelof-star-wars
 

Thank God someone is on topic

[Damon Lindelof said:]
or again again try, as Yoda would say.

Yoda would never ever say that 😐

Disney should already Turn Star Wars into the Palpatine Saga and not the Skywalker Saga lol in the Disney Universe Rey Palpatine Skywalker Palpatine Granddaughter is the one who truly defeats the Emperor and not Luke or Vader lol Disney should know that we are not in 2015 anymore when everyone liked the Disney Sequels after Rise of Skywalker the Disney Sequels are too controversial in a certain sector of the Fandom but Disney pretend to ignore the Old Fans who didnt like how they portrayed Luke, Han and Leia in those Movies the Disney Sequels are Flawed like George Lucas Prequels or even more

Not to be cynical and I am not sure that is such a thing if what you say is the truth, but what Disney did was they call a soft reboot which is to retell the same story (for the most part) with a new younger cast who they think are relatable to a younger audience, one more towards their target demographic who their marketing people tells them has the most disposable income to spend on movies and merchandise. When I was young there was the Long Ranger as well as Flash Gorden, both of which bombed, but it was the same idea. These were franchises my Dad grew up watching as a kid.

Like a lot of you, I grew up with the OT too and it will always hold a special place in my heart, but Star Wars has moved on from us, the people in charge don’t really care what we think, they know we will continue to buy merchandise about the original films, we are a sure thing. What they need is a new young group of consumers, which is exactly who the Sequel Trilogy is targeted at.

Now that we have the 4k OT (thanks to everyone’s hard work here) I am content with that. In my head cannon Mandalorian season 1-2 acted as the coda to the OT with the Mandalorian giving Grogu to Luke to form a new multi generation of Jedi, and the OT story ends there. I will always be thankful to Jon Favreau bringing me back to Star Wars when I thought I was done after how badly the OT was treated. It’s fine now.

Do I wish they would reset or at least do a “Classic Coke” type situation, telling parallel stories about the original to the expanded universe so there would be something for me to pay attention to? Sure but the truth is, things end. Lots of the music groups I grew up listening to when I was a kid or dying too. I have grown to see this is really a part of age and a sad part of life. I remember my Grandma being all upset about Bing Crosby dying. I accept it. Star Wars as it is today isn’t for me anymore.

MinchD36 said:

Disney should already Turn Star Wars into the Palpatine Saga and not the Skywalker Saga lol in the Disney Universe Rey Palpatine Skywalker Palpatine Granddaughter is the one who truly defeats the Emperor and not Luke or Vader lol Disney should know that we are not in 2015 anymore when everyone liked the Disney Sequels after Rise of Skywalker the Disney Sequels are too controversial in a certain sector of the Fandom but Disney pretend to ignore the Old Fans who didnt like how they portrayed Luke, Han and Leia in those Movies the Disney Sequels are Flawed like George Lucas Prequels or even more

This is the truth, he wins about 99% of the whole trilogy, rules the galaxy for decades and dies with his offspring the most powerful person in the galaxy. Objectively he won. He has a few bad moments, in decades of dominance.

Bomma72 said:

This is the truth, he wins about 99% of the whole trilogy, rules the galaxy for decades and dies with his offspring the most powerful person in the galaxy. Objectively he won. He has a few bad moments, in decades of dominance.

And yet his office is so tacky. Can’t he find a better interior designer on Coruscant?

I hope Rey does away with the attachment thing and all the prequel Jedi dogma and has a family.

Following that nonsense didn’t work for Luke Skywalker in the Disney timeline. His rejection of it in Legends and starting a New Jedi Order was better.

JadedSkywalker said:

I hope Rey does away with the attachment thing and all the prequel Jedi dogma and has a family.

Following that nonsense didn’t work for Luke Skywalker in the Disney timeline. His rejection of it in Legends and starting a New Jedi Order was better.

Did he really explicitly reject it in the EU? I think Luke explicitly rejecting the anti-attachment dogma is more like a retcon, since all those stories about Mara Jade were written before the Prequels, and writers like Timothy Zahn never imagined the Jedi would forbid romantic attachments.

I think the OT pretty strongly implied the Jedi were allowed to marry and have children. I mean, clearly, Anakin had children, and nothing in the OT indicates this was somehow bad or out of the ordinary. Anakin’s fall to the dark side is never connected with romantic relationships or attachments in any way.

It’s really amazing how badly the Prequels mesh with the OT sometimes.

Rey probably won’t get married or have a family. Disney shows very little interest in adding any romance to Star Wars. The Force Awakens came the closest, implying a potential Finn/Rey romance, but that was promptly deleted. TLJ suggested Finn/Rose as an item, but put very little effort into developing that, and Disney clearly was much too scared to actually commit officially to some kind of fucked up Rey/Kylo romance. And Rise of Skywalker was directed by Mel Brooks, as the long-awaited sequel to Spaceballs.

I’m mixed on this. On the one hand, the sequel cast deserved way better than what they got, and this is a chance for Disney to rectify their past issues and give them a better story to work with. On the other, the premise undoes the big thing that the sequels changed: rebuilding the Jedi failed, with Luke (correctly) pointing out the corruption of the late Republic Jedi and Rey burying the last known Jedi lightsabers after constructing a new kind. Undoing the OT’s impact is part of what made some potentially-fascinating sequels misfire in premise before the execution started, so I’m a bit concerned if they similarly undo the ST’s impact.

The good news is, this movie could still be well done for what it is. And if so, people who don’t prefer the ST movies (myself included) won’t have to watch them, because we can just say it’s 50 BBY and almost everyone died (which makes sense if it’s been 50 years since ANH) and that Rey’s introduced as Luke’s successor a la Star Trek: The Next Generation. How much this will work depends on how much of the ST this builds on, but I’d say we have a chance.

Since I’ve covered the good and the bad, time for the ugly: this starts a new X-XII trilogy and everyone hates it, says it ruined the Skywalker Saga, and starts asking if the ST was underappreciated in its time. (Mostly joking, but I hope that’s not gonna happen)

Channel72 said:

Rey probably won’t get married or have a family. Disney shows very little interest in adding any romance to Star Wars.

In fairness, if someone’s in Star Wars it’s better not to have a romantic relationship at all–they’ll most likely kill their spouse, turn out to be siblings, have their kid turn into a sith that makes their BFF’s life miserable (canon or legends), or have one or both of the couple die immediately after a first kiss.

I mean, there is nothing that their minds will come up with that is so creative and inspiring as to “fix” the ST or the Rey character. Let’s be honest, the best thing that could come from this is for fan editors to make a more palpable “ep.9” to either ignore TROS or take very little from it. 🤷‍♂️ I mean it’s not like Tony Gilroy is writing this…don’t count on them making a home run for the FOURTH attempt in a row…and even if they do, that doesn’t change how sloppy and weak the entire ST is on its own.

This seems like a nothing rumour but here it is anyway, no idea what kinda rep this site has tbh
https://twitter.com/GFRobot/status/1661051351584108545

Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen will return as Luke and Anakin in the upcoming new Star Wars movie.