'Rey Skywalker' (Upcoming live action motion picture) - general discussion thread — Page 13

I personally wouldn’t mind seeing Daisey Ridley reprise the role of Rey in the future. I’m not sure how it could happen with all the on again, off again revolving door action going on at Disney HQ. Who knows what will happen? I’m not even sure the Disney Execs know. I guess time will tell.

rocknroll41 said:

So having all the main characters be men instead of women is “stepping out of gender politics”?

To be fair, Disney can’t write a single good female character to save their life. The only characters that have had any staying power are all male characters: Cassian, Din, and Grogu.

The only female character I’d say that’s even decent from Disney so far is maybe animated Hera? But she just sucks now, along with every other character that’s been carried over to live action.

This gender thing was never an issue before Disney took over. There were absolutely amazing female characters in the EU and the Lucas Saga. Disney and the people they hire to write and create these shows and movies just suck.

The issue with Rey was that there was so much pressure and anticipation around her being “the first female Star Wars protagonist.” That made the writers skittish about giving her any significant flaws or failings, because they treated her as this monolithic representative of all women rather than just one individual with her own issues and nuances. I think the writers of Star Wars (Andor writers excluded) have never fully broken out of that mindset since then. They’ve been concerned more about optics and the meta surrounding the movies and shows than about crafting interesting characters.

They were concerned more with corporate synergy than telling a story, they treated the sequels like toy commercial. A way to move other merchandise. I mean come on its Disney they are about the theme parks and merch.

I would love a Rey standalone or episodes 10, 11 and 12. If they can outline them and have an actual story and worldbuilding. And not have to have tie ins fix it for them later or tv series. I think they haven’t learned a thing from the Clone Wars or prequel situation, if anything they’ve made the same mistakes Lucas did and more. Because at least the prequel had progression and world building.

And the EU gave developing character arcs for Han, Luke and Leia that sequels failed at. And Luke successfully passed on what he had learned, became a husband and a father. His Jedi order lasted over a hundred years. Lukes in Disney lasted 6 years or something like that.

And the New Republic and Empire are never even addressed in the sequel trilogy at all. They created a First Order and Resistance just so they could do Rebels VS Empire again. They did the Kylo thing because they wanted another Vader.

I’m not in that group of people, excited to go out and read 3 comic series and several novels to fix someone’s bad movie.

Even the merchandising and Disney EU consumed the movies under Disney, the all one canon nonsense, just make a good movie forget about that stuff. Don’t MCU Star Wars so people have to do homework. Do your exposition within the film.

Retcons can only get you so far. I almost feel bad for the story group, because there is supposed to be a canon they follow with these movies, and nobody believes in it anymore. Not when Filoni changes something every five minutes, they got themselves into a fine mess and unlike the old canon they can’t push it into legends and say this was never canon.

Looking forward to see where the new movie goes. I didn’t hate everything about the sequels, and think The Last Jedi is perhaps the best of the trilogy, even if Luke Skywalker is shown to have human flaws like everyone else rather than being a perfect human being who can’t ever get depressed. Hopefully they can add this extra layer to Rey as well.

The most frustrating thing I see is the complaining that Luke Skywalker was ruined for having depth, and then in the same breath complaining that Rey has no depth. It just never made logical sense to me. I find it suspect when people want to ignore developments in the real world and how they relate to reactions against certain characters and not others in different time periods. But I guess me being gay just means I have a different view on what is happening in the world in general. The problems of the sequels go beyond specific characters being flat.

Even if the writing is bad, that never justified to me some of the awful things that I have seen said about the actors, women in general, and the writers and directors that go beyond critiques in mismanagement and writing. As for Daisy Ridley, I’m glad she got this role. She’s a great actor, and shouldn’t be held responsible for script or director problems.

My biggest hope for this new movie is that we don’t have the mess of multiple directors with different visions messing up the tone and continuity of the movie, and that they stray away from too much harkening back to old movies and more new content. I feel like with the success and failures of the new shows, they might have learned what works and what doesn’t. The Mandalorian, Andor, Ahsoka, and The Bad Batch all did great. Also, I hope they don’t introduce yet another evil regime that’s big enough to do real harm like the First Order. The First Order made sense in the sequels to some extent, as they were mirroring what happens in reality. What we need now is to move past that point.

One of the things though that is hard is they have to balance between fans that don’t want big changes and fans that do. I have seen The Acolyte criticized for changing what the purpose of the Jedi is… and yet it’s a prequel that occurs in a completely different time period than the prequel trilogy and OT. Obviously, the Jedi are going to be different in a very different time period, imo!

I’d rather they just stop trying to please everyone and write the stories that they want to write and that they love. I want authenticity in story-writing the most, for them to write what they believe is a great story, not trying to shoe-horn their ideas into what they think fans and non-fans want.

SparkySywer said:

4-6 were made entirely separate from 1-3, 1-3 builds off of 4-6. But post-TRoS necessarily has to build off of TRoS, which really doesn’t lay any groundwork for anything worthwhile.

Eh, they could do what Star Trek did with The Next Generation: basically a “soft reboot” that doesn’t reboot the whole continuity, but focuses on new characters within the same universe. It’s not necessarily true that sequels have to depend fully on the movies that came before them, and I think Star Trek is one of the best examples of this. Other examples include book series of series’, like the Shadowhunters books by Cassandra Clair, which aren’t really soft reboots, but different series that occur in different time periods of the same universe and don’t always require you read one series to be able to read the other series. Comics also do this type of stuff, afaik.

Although, I do find it ironic that TFA was seen as an unwanted soft reboot, but a soft reboot of the sequel trilogy would probably be very much wanted, lol. Makes sense though.

WitchDR said:

This gender thing was never an issue before Disney took over. There were absolutely amazing female characters in the EU and the Lucas Saga. Disney and the people they hire to write and create these shows and movies just suck.

To be fair, it was also a different time period that we have backed away from to some extent. Having studied history, this “backing away” happens frequently.

Luke already had imperfections and depth. There’s been this narrative thrown around that OT Luke was a generic, one-dimensional character and that The Last Jedi “fixed” him by making him more “realistic.”

That’s just untrue. It didn’t make him more realistic. It just made him an asshole, and essentially just a completely different character. The only scene where TLJ Luke even acts like Luke is when he says goodbye to Leia. Outside of that scene, it just comes off as a different character who also happens to be played by Mark Hamill.

And we all already know that the writers will never drag Rey through the mud like they did to Luke. They would never give her the same treatment, because they want her to be a role model for girls, and role models for girls aren’t allowed to fail or have crippling flaws like that. Like I said before, they’re too caught up in optics to tell an interesting story.

If I’m somehow proven wrong, and they actually do give Rey the same treatment, I’ll eat my shoe.

WitchDR said:

rocknroll41 said:

So having all the main characters be men instead of women is “stepping out of gender politics”?

To be fair, Disney can’t write a single good female character to save their life. The only characters that have had any staying power are all male characters: Cassian, Din, and Grogu.

Mon Mothma and Dedra Meero are both incredibly written female characters. They’re more interesting than any of the male characters in Andor, except probably for Luthen. But I agree these are exceptions or outliers among mostly crappy Disney Star Wars productions.

rocknroll41 said:

George Nolfi is officially the new writer of Sharmeen’s movie (so I guess getting Kasdan back didn’t work out).

At least they hired a new writer. So, it’s not dead in the water. Just severely delayed. No way in hell does it come out in 2026 for Christmas.

As for Larry I hope we get the second season of light and magic soon.

It’s just so hard to take Star Wars seriously if Rise of Skywalker is actually a thing that happened. Where do you even go after “secret fleet of 10,000 Star Destroyer Death Stars” and “Palpatine magically returns and electrocutes the sky”?? I can’t take it seriously after that because we are now firmly in the Spaceballs Universe and only Mel Brooks should be allowed to direct from now on.

act on instinct said:

Channel72 said:

It’s just so hard to take Star Wars seriously if Rise of Skywalker is actually a thing that happened. Where do you even go after “secret fleet of 10,000 Star Destroyer Death Stars” and “Palpatine magically returns and electrocutes the sky”?? I can’t take it seriously after that because we are now firmly in the Spaceballs Universe and only Mel Brooks should be allowed to direct from now on.

I have a suggestion but I am holding it for ransom from The Walt Disney Company.

The classic “it was all a dream” cold open?