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Originally posted by: R2
I just hope this one lives up to the hype.


It can't.

It'll be meh at best. It MAY have a few cool scenes which no doubt will be mishandled.

Even if it's balls out fantastic we'll be sitting there thinking 'now why weren't the other two this good?'

Likely it'll be horrendously marred by something incredibly inexcusable and my money is on that godawful sounding General Grevious CGI robot villain character.

I can smell the stink on that turd already.
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I doubt if anything can live up to the hype, since hype seems to be where most of the effort is focused.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Too true.

But with today's much lowered standards of acceptable entertainment and the sheep-like mentality of audiences these days why bother to spend money or time on a good script and so on when a sufficient marketing budget will do the same job that quality product could do but for far less effort and risk?

It's all about expenditure and returns. There is no love.
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Well, inspite of the fact that TPM and AOTC didn't live up to my expectations, I'm still holding out (albeit a small amount) some hope that ROTS might deliver. Lucas just might pull this one off. I doubt it, but he could.

Part of me wants to believe that he had an overall plan with the prequels, but in relaity I know that he made it up as he went along. I guess we'll know for sure come May 2005.
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Even if it's balls out fantastic we'll be sitting there thinking 'now why weren't the other two this good?'


Yeah, but that's your bad. If you're going to let a permanently sour outlook mar what you just admitted would be a "Balls out fantastic" movie then that's not the movie's fault, that's your inability to take the movie for what it is and find an excuse to justify your disappointment in the previous two movies. Sure, you could blame the filmmakers for your sour outlook on the previous movies, but that's a weak excuse to write off a completely new movie and then dismiss it's triumphs by then going "Well, what about these other two?" it's announcing that you're going to be looking for an excuse to bitch instead of actually watching the movie.

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and the sheep-like mentality of audiences these days


And I don't think it's at all provable to say audiences now are more retarded and braindead than audiences prior. That's nostalgia creeping in and taking over in place of rationality. The ratio of great films to shitty films has always been about the same..you just don't remember the mediocre films of the past because a) they weren't memorable then and b) middle of the chart pieces of fluff don't ever make it on greatest hits compilations, understand what I'm sayign? Time softens edges. Just as many clunkers came out back in the day as they do now.

The quote above also betrays a basic condescension and contempt for people who dont' hold the same opinions as you do.

It's also weird that people who tend to list as their favorite movies popcorn flicks, fantasy flicks and mostly thin, fast moving action adventures are the one pulling this "artistic integrity in the audience" card. I'd buy it a bit more if it was a board dedicated to Godard or Truffaut or Fellini, but on a Star Wars board, the above complaint seems to come off as a little ironic.
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My guess is that poster is another fake. Plus Revenge of the Sith will be the best movie ever. I will be shocked if it isn't
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Originally posted by: R2
I just hope this one lives up to the hype.


It can't.

It'll be meh at best. It MAY have a few cool scenes which no doubt will be mishandled.

Even if it's balls out fantastic we'll be sitting there thinking 'now why weren't the other two this good?'

Likely it'll be horrendously marred by something incredibly inexcusable and my money is on that godawful sounding General Grevious CGI robot villain character.

I can smell the stink on that turd already.


General Grevious will be the best villian. You oviously have never seen Clone Wars. Clone Wars has shown that General Grevious will absolutly rock

"Jedi. Your armies have fallen, your forces desimated, but even I General Grevious am not completly without mercy I will grant you a warriors death prepare"

You don't get more badass then that.
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Plus Revenge of the Sith will be the best movie ever.


Whoa, kid, let's not get way too far ahead of yourself, okay?

Statements like those are what cause people to crap on you daily. You gotta temper that overenthusiastic babble with SOME realism, or you come off as a one-sided joke of a poster.
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Ah, jimbo and his, "nothing can possibly be otherwise if I say so" mentality. A breif appearence in Clone Wars does not mean he'll be cool in ROTS. Also, could we wait for the film to come out before we say how much it sucks/rocks?


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Yeah, but that's your bad. If you're going to let a permanently sour outlook mar what you just admitted would be a "Balls out fantastic" movie then that's not the movie's fault, that's your inability to take the movie for what it is and find an excuse to justify your disappointment in the previous two movies. Sure, you could blame the filmmakers for your sour outlook on the previous movies, but that's a weak excuse to write off a completely new movie and then dismiss it's triumphs by then going "Well, what about these other two?"

As opposed to the other option of being in denial then, right? Also, by that logic, say my favorite sports team (i.e. the Cubs) who are loaded with talent but have had by all accounts a terrible, disappointing season, and miss the playoffs, but then happen to win their last game. I should just forget about the first 161 games and take solace in their final, albeit meaningless win??


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And I don't think it's at all provable to say audiences now are more retarded and braindead than audiences prior.





While audiences may not be "more retardeder" now than ever before, they definitely have gotten younger. Look what movies make the most money these days. And the gap is widening.


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It's also weird that people who tend to list as their favorite movies popcorn flicks, fantasy flicks and mostly thin, fast moving action adventures are the one pulling this "artistic integrity in the audience" card. I'd buy it a bit more if it was a board dedicated to Godard or Truffaut or Fellini, but on a Star Wars board, the above complaint seems to come off as a little ironic.


I think that's a broad generalization. And we're not talking about Independence Day, we are talking about the OT, which is far from mediocre 'popcorn fluff'. For me it's filmmaking at its best. Sure some stuffed shirt could call me silly for thinking that, but I don't care. To hold the prequels to the standard set by the originals, only to be subsequently disappointed by their crappiness is only natural, not to mention reasonable.
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Ah, jimbo and his, "nothing can possibly be otherwise if I say so" mentality. A breif appearence in Clone Wars does not mean he'll be cool in ROTS. Also, could we wait for the film to come out before we say how much it sucks/rocks?


That hasn't stoped many from proclaiming it will suck. Despite how excellent both Attack of the Clones and Clone Wars was. Despite that it shows the rise of Vader something I have wanted to see since I can remember. Despite it has one of the coolest villians I have ever seen as Clone Wars proved. Despite being filled to the brink with action and digital effects. Has all the makings of a masterpeice.
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Im sure Ep III will at least definately be the best film in the prequal trilogy, it does have a giant lightsaber wielding robot and Darth Vader.
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Originally posted by: jimbo

Despite how excellent both Attack of the Clones and Clone Wars was. Despite that it shows the rise of Vader. Despite it has one of the coolest villians I have ever seen as Clone Wars proved. Despite being filled to the brink with action and digital effects. Has all the makings of a masterpeice.


The gospel according to Jimbo. So let it be written. So let it be done.

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Originally posted by: Darth Balls
Im sure Ep III will at least definately be the best film in the prequal trilogy, it does have a giant lightsaber wielding robot and Darth Vader.


Not robot cyborg hes a cybernetic organism.
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As opposed to the other option of being in denial then, right?


...no. See, this is where these discussions always derail. No one wants to temper their arguments with any kind of common sense. it's all extreme black and white stances with no bending.

If I don't like a couple movies by a director, and then I watch one that's good--Why should I hold those other two movies against the one I enjoyed? Why should I completely dilute and sabotage the fun time I had with the GOOD movie just so I can maintain my grump status? What's the point of that? Where's the logic in watching a movie, liking it, and then having to convince myself it's bad by way of bringing up the directors past movies in a way to belittle the enjoyment I just had?

What's the point in that?

I don't have to go to one extreme or the other to make that point. It's a very simple question. What is the point of talking yourself out of liking a movie you genuinely like? What's the point of making excuses to dislike something you had fun with?

Your sports analogy isn't a very good one, either. Let's stick to movies. Let's say, to stick with popcorn actionfests--I don't like Armageddon. I don't like Pearl Harbor. On a whim, someone rents "The Rock" and I watch that. And I think it's a really fun movie, I enjoy the notes it's hitting. What's my motivation to talk myself into thinking I just wasted two hours of my life enjoying the movie and that it's a terrible piece of crap--when I KNOW I DID enjoy the movie?

This is the mindset Reg was saying he'll subscribe to. It's willful dismissal of the movie before he's seen it, regardless of it's quality. That's just as unfair as someone like Jimbo fawning like crazy over every single frame.

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Im sure Ep III will at least definately be the best film in the prequal trilogy, it does have a giant lightsaber wielding robot and Darth Vader.


Not robot cyborg hes a cybernetic organism.


From star wars.com:
Part non-humanoid alien, part custom-designed droid

Thats cool, I thought he was just a droid

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Originally posted by: Darth Balls<br
From star wars.com:
Part non-humanoid alien, part custom-designed droid

Thats cool, I thought he was just a droid


Machines can't use the force so he needs to be mostly a biological organism. I really can't wait to find out what he looks like under that mask.
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Bizzle, I find you to be somewhat of a hypocrit. You criticize us for criticizing others, and for being too 'black and white'. By saying someone has an extreme stance and that a more moderate approach should be taken, you are in fact starting a 'black and white' argument. You are saying you are right and the other is wrong.


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Your sports analogy isn't a very good one, either. Let's stick to movies.



My sports analogy was quite sound, in fact. But just for you, I'll go with with your Michael Bay example, which I find flawed. For me, a sports season, or a movie frachise, is where one thing builds on the other. The overall quality of the individual events may fluctuate, but the events are still connected, like it or not, and there is an overall goal . The Rock doesn't pick up where Bad Boys left off. I don't see the PT this way. The prequels, by their very nature, are intended to be one big story, at least to me. Which leads to...

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If I don't like a couple movies by a director, and then I watch one that's good--Why should I hold those other two movies against the one I enjoyed? Why should I completely dilute and sabotage the fun time I had with the GOOD movie just so I can maintain my grump status? What's the point of that? Where's the logic in watching a movie, liking it, and then having to convince myself it's bad by way of bringing up the directors past movies in a way to belittle the enjoyment I just had?


I commend you on this. Honestly. I guess I just don't have the discipline to seperate things that I find to be intrinsically related. I'm not saying that any time a movie has a crappy sequel, that I have to write off ALL movies in the franchise. I literally wouldn't have anything to watch. However, I believe there's a difference between the the initial movie in a franchise being the good and the subsequent ones sucking than vice versa. For me, it's much easier to handle disappointment after the success of the initial movie than the other way around. I can remember the feeling and the fun I had the first time, and especially the fact that at the time something was made, the sky was the limit. Not to mention I hadn't tasted the disappointment yet. It will be hard to watch Anakin in Ep III (if in fact I see it) and say, "He's the baddest ass Jedi ever" when automatically I think of him saying corny shit to Padme by a fire, losing his lightsaber a few times, and whining incessantly. But maybe you are right, and I may need to condition myself into seperating things.

Again, I commend guys like you, and even Jimbo. I would much rather enjoy something than whine about it, but it's just my nature to observe and analyze things the way I do. If that means I'm seen as 'cynical' so be it.
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You are saying you are right and the other is wrong.


No, I'm saying one doesn't make sense to me. I don't really know if you know what you're arguing for by taking the opposite stance here..you're essentially arguing for the freedom to talk yourself out of liking stuff you actually did like. And if you wanna do that, you can. It just doesn't seem to make any sense to me to do that. That's essentially the thrust of my argument, that's all. I don't see a need to automatically jump from one extreme to another and setting up straw men along the way. There's a big gray area where discussion usually thrives a LOT more healthier, yunno?

And don't lump me in with Jimbo. I'd like to think my arguments and stances are a little more thought out and a LOT better backed up than "but ohmigod Natalie looks good in black PVC pipe ungh ungh ungh."
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In my absence, a friend has brought to my attention one of the things that makes ROTJ darker than you like to admit, Jimbo: a crapload of dudes die. Jabba, Yoda, The Emperor, Vader...it's a death marathon. I just had to say that for some reason.
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Bizzle, my point was just that, try as I might, it will be hard for me (and possibly for others) to see each prequel as entities that are independent of one another. Even if I think ROTS is 100% fantastic, it's still part of a larger whole which, for me, will still be 2/3 garbage. I'm not talking myself out of liking something I like, I'm just trying to explain, to you, how it might be reasonable for someone to have bittersweet feelings even if they think ROTS is awesome.

Oh, and sorry for lumping you in with Jimbo.

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Originally posted by: The Bizzle

This is the mindset Reg was saying he'll subscribe to. It's willful dismissal of the movie before he's seen it, regardless of it's quality.


Putting words into my mouth, how nice.

I was saying (and I know because I said it and you misread it or just plain could not understand the words on the screen) that EVEN IF ROTS sucks my dick, which I fully doubt considering what I've seen and heard so far, and even if I LOVE EVERY FRAME I may very well buy the film and consider it Star Wars-worthy but I will also be justified in wondering why the previous two films failed to measure up.

I too have the ability to discern the difference between a single film in a series and the series itself.
Examples: Back to The Future - I like the first one but I'm not too fond of the sequels.
I like the first three Superman films, III being my favourite and I don't like IV Quest for peace.
I like the first two Jaws films but not 4 The Revenge and I find Jaws 3D to be utterly hilarious in a so bad it's almost good kind of way.
I consider myself an A Nightmare on Elm St fan even though I only like the first one and the third one.

Your posts are dripping with condescension and as much antagonism as you claim to be railing against, just look at how threads turn into wars when you pop your head up. It's almost like you have your responses written before you read posts you respond to, do you? Are you just saying the same well thought out and coherent yet priggish and uppity drivel ad nauseum?

If that's true then you're the most erudite troll I've ever encountered and it's a pleasure to float your boat.

At the same time as enjoying a single Star Wars film for the two whatever hours we sit in the cinema trying to unstick our feet from the floor is there some reason why we cannot hold it up to the standards set by the rest of the series (OT vs PT)?

I know that the common retort is that "we cannot hold Star Wars up to the lofty standards of 'real' films becaus ethese are big dumb space opera kid's films filled with Ewoks and whatnot" and I'll ignore that for the moment but ask again why Star Wars cannot be compared to Star Wars?
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Your posts are dripping with condescension and as much antagonism as you claim to be railing against, just look at how threads turn into wars when you pop your head up. It's almost like you have your responses written before you read posts you respond to, do you? Are you just saying the same well thought out and coherent yet priggish and uppity drivel ad nauseum?


Jesus Christ, dude. I apologize if you thought I was being condescending to you. that's not my intent. I'm just trying to argue my point as well as I can, to ensure there's no misunderstanding what it is I'm trying to say. Sometimes that means I come off a little drier than "Lucas sucks cocks in hell" or "Natalie Portman is the best actor in the world" or whatver other very passionate argument you normally hear on Star Wars boards, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.

For instance, Windexed and I had a pretty nice little back and forth there that never once descended into the kind of overreactionary mean spirited personal bullshit you just threw at me right there, and while neither one of us converted the other to their side of the issue, at least some understanding was reached.

Once again, I apologize for stepping on your toes there. If I'd known you were going to instantly go for the throat because I hold a different opinion on how I come away from my moviewatching, I wouldn't have tried to weigh in in the first place.


...okay, well maybe I would have, but I probably would have been a lot funnier and a much bigger asshole about it
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