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Well “his fate will be the same as ours” is also prophetic

Obi-wan - died on the Death Star
Palpatine - died on the Death Star II
Anakin - died on the Death Star II

Not that that should have anything to do with whether you cut it or not.

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DominicCobb said:

Well “his fate will be the same as ours” is also prophetic

Obi-wan - died on the Death Star
Palpatine - died on the Death Star II
Anakin - died on the Death Star II

Not that that should have anything to do with whether you cut it or not.

Palpatine Force Ghost confirmed.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)

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Here are some previews of a few little things I did. (Sorry everything is so red/dark; I forgot to adjust the levels. It’s only a problem w/ these previews)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38reHN3QzhfYkVVeXM/view?usp=sharing

A recent iteration of the “roger roger” bit.
The “General Skywalker” drops.
Tweaked Anakin/Obi Wan war room intro.
Tweaked Palps/Anakin appointment.
Tweaked master denial scene + removal of "young Skywalker"
Anakin/Obi Wan goodbye from first post.
Tweaked Mace telling Anakin to stay, with removal of “young Skywalker” and insertion of Ahsoka’s leitmotif.

Just for people who haven’t seen any of my 500 rough cuts yet.

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Looking good!

I noticed in the elevator scene that the lightsabers haven’t been color corrected. Have you gone back on that idea?

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This edit keeps looking more and more promising.

Only thing I’ll say is (if you cut it before and have the line at your disposal) I’d change the fireships line to "we’re on your tail general Skywalker "

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NFBisms said:

Here are some previews of a few little things I did. (Sorry everything is so red/dark; I forgot to adjust the levels. It’s only a problem w/ these previews)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38reHN3QzhfYkVVeXM/view?usp=sharing

A recent iteration of the “roger roger” bit.
The “General Skywalker” drops.
Tweaked Anakin/Obi Wan war room intro.
Tweaked Palps/Anakin appointment.
Tweaked master denial scene + removal of “young Skywalker”

some constructive feedback:
Anakin and Palpatine scene - adjust the levels so they match - the “and you saved my life” bit is a tad too loud compared to the previous line

Anaking and Jedi council scene - if you cut the visual from Mace to Anakin right when Mace says ‘take a seat (cut) young Skywalker’ - then you can avoid the lips not matches. Just snip a bit of audio during the following silence and it’ll sync up… 😃

good stuff!

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Thanks guys! I’m definitely already tweaking based on those suggestions.

On the colors - everything in that preview aside from the audio is super screwed up, so don’t take the lightsabers or the grading as indicative of the final product. Nothing I’ve sent out or shown to anyone thus far is finished really. At least, to the point I want it to be.

The preview cuts people got were different iterations of a workprint. Hal did most of the heavy lifting in terms of structure, and my cut obviously deals more with the minutiae of the character portrayals and interactions, so I was working on what needed testing with those. I’m redoing most of the work using different (probably better, consistent) sources for the final cut.

I haven’t gone back on anything yet, aside from going back and forth with the Vader scream, but that’s why it’s taking longer. Sections of Hal’s cut I used for the work print are being redone, and the lightsabers and colors take a bit of time too. I’m using Sony Vegas and Resolve for that.

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This edit keeps looking more and more promising.

Only thing I’ll say is (if you cut it before and have the line at your disposal) I’d change the fireships line to "we’re on your tail general Skywalker "

I tried something like that, but it’s Temuera Morrison vs Dee Bradley Baker; it doesn’t sound too great. It’s a little too abrupt of a voice change. And I had to pour through many episodes of the Clone Wars just to find that voice clip lol. Besides that guy isn’t supposed to be a clone, so it shouldn’t be Temuera Morrison.

I admit that my use of “This is Sergeant Crasher” was a dumb joke that only I found funny in my dorky brain. Because “crasher” and they’re “crashing.” (ba dum tsh.) …get it?

… anyway Anyone that’s seen my most recent cut will know I just used “General Skywalker” in that scene. But I was watching the Clone Wars this morning and Rex said something to the effect of “We’re coming with you” in the same tone as that “General Skywalker.” So I’ll probably try something with that later this weekend.

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I think Anakin’s star shouldn’t eclipse Obi Wan’s, I think the whole situation could be strenghtened by just showing on screen how those two are the best the Jedi Order has to offer for a high priority mission like that.

Isn’t there material in the clone wars to establish a distress/mayday call by any of them two, when the fireships come? I mean instead of the ships just appearing, have some radio chat like “this is general skywalker/kenobi, this is an emergency, repeat, emergency”, etc.

By underlining the degree of peril you just make anakin and obi wan more heroic

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  • I’m going back and forth between keeping in “…to DEMOCRACY!” It really shows Obi Wan being angry. Like angrier than he was in the previous yelps. But it’s weird that it’s about democracy vs fascism, which doesn’t thematically fit with the idea that the duel is more personal than it is about anything else. But the emotion is there and it’s not like one line can’t be justified by Obi Wan just being frustrated and yelling whatever. Idk, without it, especially since I got rid of Anakin’s villain-y taunts (“you will try…”), Obi Wan igniting his saber first is… off. He doesn’t seem too scared or angry, just disappointed. Disappointed Obi Wan doesn’t feel as personal as I want it to be I guess. It feels a lot like he’s fighting Anakin out of just duty, akin to how it is in the original cut. I want both parties to be passionate and angry dammit LOL.

It is a shame you can’t replace the line with “THE ORDER” or “THE FORCE”. That would make some sense in that Anakin has helped destroy the Jedi Order or is betraying his training as a Jedi.

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This is me once again taking longer to do this edit than it should - I’m still tweaking things as I go along and realizing I want to change things. xP

A lot of it has to do with me prior to starting underestimating what I’m capable of doing through the magic of editing. Going over the same movie a gazillion times over and seeing what people say here seem to give me new ideas every second, and now instead of telling myself that something wouldn’t work that well, I have the desire to at least test it. 😛

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It is a shame you can’t replace the line with “THE ORDER” or “THE FORCE”. That would make some sense in that Anakin has helped destroy the Jedi Order or is betraying his training as a Jedi.

One of the things that’s changed since that post is attacking that scene from the angle that Obi Wan is super angry and that’s why they end up dueling. Hal in his edit talks about how there’s room for the interpretation that Obi Wan didn’t go to Mustafar to kill Anakin, (he only tries to do so after he sees what Anakin does to Padme) and while I agreed that’s how it should go down, I didn’t necessarily feel that came across in LoE once Obi Wan stepped off of Padme’s ship. I bought that he wasn’t going to kill him prior to landing on Mustafar, but I didn’t buy that anything Obi Wan said and did to Anakin after landing wasn’t already antagonistic (in a “I’m going to have to kill you now” kind of way.)

So instead of angry Obi Wan off the bat, the new approach is going to kind of be similar to the kerr edit approach (or anyone who’s done something similar), I’m just going to have Obi Wan be more on the defensive simply by him igniting his lightsaber either after or at the same time as Anakin. Obi Wan won’t even have time to talk about “absolutes” or “doing what he must” before the duel starts. So the whole “to democracy” thing - whether it stays or goes - is kind of in the air as I figure this out. It might still stay, just because I feel there should be a distinction between the Empire and Republic in their conversation aside from name. Additionally, I can go either way with Anakin doing a rhetorical “If you’re not with me…” attacks or the straightforward “Then you’re my enemy…” attacks. Either one for those.

I might try to incorporate a sound clip of this: https://youtu.be/gKUPEc5tGno?t=15m12s

Idk how it would sound next to Ewan, but James Arnold Taylor did say that around the time of this game, he was doing more of a straight Ewan impression, as opposed to the Ewan/Alec mix he was going for in TCW. We’ll have to see how it plays. I might not even have Anakin say anything before he attacks at all if this works out.

Other changes made lol:

  • Anakin and Obi Wan at the start of the movie:
    A: "But you owe me one and not for saving your skin for the tent-"
    O: "Ninth time. That business on Cato Nemoidia doesn’t - doesn’t count."
    Obi Wan cuts him off. It’s a little more friendly and kind of funnier that they’d have had this conversation before.

  • “Now that the chancellor has control of the jedi council” cut from the beginning of that deleted scene with the senators discussing governors. It kind of just happened, so it was jarring to have them already know about and discussing what has so far just been Jedi affairs from the audience’s perspective.

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NFBisms said:

This is me once again taking longer to do this edit than it should - I’m still tweaking things as I go along and realizing I want to change things. xP

I completely understand. I just watched the original version of ROTS tonight and found more than a few places where I thought “I wonder how different the scene would be if you just rearranged the order of the dialogue?”

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I’m reaching the unnecessary editing portion of this process; I had better just finish it now. People generally seem to be onboard with the rough cuts I sent them.

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NFBisms said:

The sunset meeting between the loyalists and Palpatine is in, and is good for tying up that barely subplot, as well as introducing tension between Anakin and Padme. Palpatine doesn’t tell Anakin how he feels at the end of the scene, though: “There’s much conflict in you” is gone. Better left unsaid, and have Palpatine be more subtle. Anakin is an adult, he feels his own emotions, thank you.

Speaking of this scene, I’ve noticed over the years that people forget to re-score this scene since it was missing any score until the Loyalist leave the room. I did a quick re-score and edit on it that uses the Emperor’s theme subtly and then coming in full effect when Padme questions Palpatine but I have nowhere to upload it to show you what I mean.

I like this scene after you cut out Palpatine trying to be ‘sly’ with Anakin about how to handle them. It is at a point where Palpatine and Anakin trust each other, making it appear as if Palpatine is confiding in him about his distrust of the senators works better and shows the shift is already in full effect.

Anyways, my point being…this being a deleted scene, it is often left with the very quiet background noise and the very loud rustling of people’s clothes and footsteps.

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So I finally posted this onto the Fanedit forums for help, and there’s a brand new cutlist there. I also updated the one in this thread. I’m getting pretty close. Making a lot of slight changes here and there, but I’ll hopefully be done by summer. I have a lot of work and school and life, and I don’t really think anyone cares about this so that takes pressure off. Taking my time. At this point, I’m not even sure I’ll go forward with a drastic color grading.

I recently took it upon myself to change the four(?) instances of Anakin addressing Obi Wan as “master.” I went into this edit thinking that I would just change a few things to better push a specific interpretation, but I realized that that was just it. As much as I changed things, it would still just be an interpretation. One easier to believe with all the cuts, but a headcanon nonetheless. I’m doubling down and really committing to showing and more explicitly portraying the relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan I’m going for. Things like Anakin calling Obi Wan “master” just muddle that image. Anakin won’t call Obi Wan “master.” I legitimately watched 5 movies Hayden Christensen was in (never do this) just to find a good soundbyte to replace “You coming, Master?” with something more casual. Along the way, I also found some giggles that were useful in lightening the banter between the two.

I’ve also gotten some questions asking about what would make my cut different or better (depending on the person) from Hal’s cut. I am leaning heavily on his restructure of Anakin’s motivations. I’d like to know what Hal was going for exactly (it’s been a while since I’ve listened to his LoE commentary) in terms of what would be going through Anakin’s head and who Anakin is during his cut, before I can really answer that question.

But what I got from LoE, was that Anakin’s motivations for turning to the dark side are still generally that Palpatine convinced and manipulated Anakin (and this is the primary reason) into thinking the jedi were the bad guys, (with a good reason for Anakin to think so) and a little extra fear of Padme dying to make him do something about it. And it works fine, I still liked it.

But coming off of TCW into the OT, and my idea of who Anakin and Darth Vader should be - Anakin imo should have much, much more agency; it’s a decision, that he makes with a conscious mind. Most edits never leave the angle that Palpatine tricked him into becoming a sith, or that a submissive Anakin only turns to the dark as a last resort. Even LoE, while showing that the combination of Anakin’s loyalty, politics, and feelings understandably would turn him against the jedi, those reasons are all still put there there by Palpatine. He plays right into Palps’ game, not showing any awareness that he’s being played. That’s not very “sith” of a dark lord like Vader. I want it to be his choice, fully aware of what he’s playing with.

While Anakin in my cut is still manipulated by Palpatine, through a lot of little edits, Anakin is smarter and more adult throughout their relationship. Palpatine never explicitly plays on Anakin’s emotions and feelings - no tuskens, no blatant evil hints, he doesn’t tell Anakin that the council “needs” him, talk about the spying… He’s more subtle; he casually and “unintentionally” brings up things that would be salt on a wound. He doesn’t tell him that he deserves to be a master, or that he should feel conflicted, he just indirectly points out reasons why he would. Anakin is shown brooding and conflicted about what these indirects imply, instead of Anakin taking Palps’ word for direct assertions. Additionally, Anakin now tells Palpatine about dissenting opinions from the council, and shows an understanding of why those opinions exist. While he’s loyal to Palpatine, he’s also shown to be to Obi Wan and the council. He’s set up to not be 100% on either side, basically. I think that makes him smarter, and puts some kind of inner turmoil to the forefront. And not the old “I can’t let her die” conflict of OG!RoTS or the LoE “The Jedi were lying to me” conflict. It’s not one or the other, I’m going for the angle that this is a man caught between two of his allegiances.

So if Hal’s basic, basic structure is:

  1. Anakin’s strained relationship with the jedi council and then political motivations introduced.
  2. Fear of Padme’s death introduced.
  3. 2 ignites action in service of 1 = Anakin’s turn to the dark side.

Mine is:

  1. Anakin’s conflict between allegiance to the jedi order or to Palpatine introduced.
  2. Fear of Padme’s death introduced.
  3. 2 resolves 1 = Anakin’s turn to the dark side.

It’s similar, but my 1 and 3 are different. Padme possibly dying is still the impetus, but how it’s framed in my cut is Anakin decides that he can only keep Padme safe by aligning with Palpatine, either because of Plagueis or because of the political power and freedom that would come with it. And this becomes more clear once we’re out of these first two acts and into when Anakin actually becomes Vader. Hal keeps Anakin turning into Vader as this slow descent into full dark side corruption and power lust. He starts his descent well-intentioned but by the end is high on all of his new power. And that never sat right with me for Vader. The Vader I know from most of ANH, Empire, RoTJ, and the canon comics wasn’t crazy and corrupted. He wasn’t delusional or blinded by his power and emotions. “It’s too late for me, son.” was one of those things as a kid that showed me Vader knew he was a monster. And while the way he talked about the dark side’s power in the OT was always a supportive endorsement of it, it was more like a reverence of it rather than a dependence on having it.

So my Anakin doesn’t think he’s doing what’s best for the galaxy or the Republic or whatever. Sure, he has had political and ideological differences with the jedi council, and that’s what drives him away from them and to Palpatine, but he can’t believe that all of those jedi, in the temple and across the galaxy are bad. But he has to kill them all to embrace the dark side. He knows this, he knows what a sith is - and he can’t be proud of or eager to do it. That’s what I cut out. Every instance of Anakin being eager to do his master’s bidding is removed. He dances around the subject when he talks to Padme. He’s not proud. It’s just a means to an end for his goals for him and Padme. Their last conversation on Mustafar isn’t about the Republic, it’s about taking down Palpatine. For the two of them. For their baby. That’s what he chooses. He chooses what makes him powerful for them. It makes the Vader/Palpatine dynamic more wonderfully sith. It’s also what’ll inevitably turn him back in RoTJ, when he finally realizes the power doesn’t matter to the ones he loves.

Essentially, Anakin’s relationships to Palpatine, the dark side, and its power are the biggest differences in my cut. It doesn’t corrupt him or make him throw tantrums. As Palpatine says in the movie: ‘it gives [him] focus, make [him] stronger’. This is what makes Darth Vader the sith lord, especially when Kylo Ren exists now, whose unhinged emotionality with the dark side of the force is kind of what makes him a lesser Darth Vader. The idea that Anakin has master and control over his anger, fear, and hate to utilize them so effectively - that’s what made Darth Vader menacing when I was a kid. My Vader isn’t vengeful, emotional, or petty. He’s cold, methodical, and brutal. And this is how I’m keeping that image alive while maintaining the thematic through line of the prequels in a consistent way.

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You say people aren’t that interested. I don’t post much, but I’ve been watching this edit closely. If you successfully pull off your ambitions, I think this would be great! I think you have some very good ideas.

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NFBisms said:

At this point, I’m not even sure I’ll go forward with a drastic color grading.

That’s too bad. I thought the color grading looked pretty interesting. I totally understand why you might not want to do it, though.

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Sounds like a great philosophy of Vader; I really do look forward to what you end up producing along these lines.
Since you asked, my idea with LOE for Anakin was that he becomes involved in growing tensions between his loyalties to the Jedi Order, Palpatine, and Padme. He’s tossed around for a while, then Palpatine springs this nightmare on him as a manipulation. From that point on, he leans toward Palpatine and has to make the final decision when pressed during the ‘assassination attempt.’ All along, he never appears paranoid (a byproduct of changing his storyline in reshoots IMHO) until we see him talk with Padme on Mustafar, after he has steeped himself in the darkness. It’s really not that different from what ROTS was going for with Anakin, just restructured to have it make more sense, arguably reaching closer to what the pre-reshoot version might have been. In my version, as in the original, Anakin still carries that ‘slave’ mindset, seeming to crave someone being a master over him. Your version will be quite different, in subtle ways.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I’m still very interested in this edit and I’m intrigued by what you’re doing with Anakin’s character. I will say that when I watched the preview, the music changes were distracting to me, partially because the old music can still be heard underneath and partially just because I prefer most of John Williams’s choices: a lot of the changes feel a bit too melodic to be over dialogue when subtle underscore would work better.

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I definitely would be interested in seeing your version. Just the clip was promising. I love how you used Anakin’s Theme in the last scene with Obi-wan before he turns.

A thought though… something I noticed a while back. His turn wasn’t abrupt and wasn’t just because of the need to save Padme. Palpatine has been his friend since he arrived on Coruscant and after he saves Palptine from Mace Windu, Palpatine uses the force on him to complete the conversion. You can hear it when Palpatine speaks - a subtle effect added to his dialog. I noticed it a few other places where the force is being used. So I think his slaughter in the Jedi Temple is very important because it is the act that solidifies his turn.

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As another fan of TCW, this sounds like a very well thought out and extremely interesting interpretation of the PT and the rise and fall of Anakin into Vader. I’d far prefer to see the Anakin from TCW, than how he is presented in RotS.

I really liked your rationale for how you want Vader to be portrayed in your version too.

Please, please keep on with it as I’d love to see how it turns out.

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Don’t worry guys, I was never going to quit, and I didn’t think no one was interested. I just (for some reason) felt pressured to finish sooner than later before. I guess once I made the thread, I felt like I couldn’t come out with nothing for a while, because I started when I wasn’t as busy as the current school/work crunchtime I’m in.

On the grading: As I’ve recently gotten into the editing with the schorman HDTV source of RoTS, I’ve gotten kind of used to how it looks, and I don’t mind it as much as the blu rays. Changing the colors just started feeling like one of those unnecessary changes Hal warned me about. Not to mention that it’s a lot of work. There’s probably going to be some subtle changes in the reds of their faces (white balance), saturation, and a few shadows in the CGI to actor relationships, but nothing noticeable. The general color scheme and the shade/lighting of lightsaber colors are going to stay the same. Sorry to people looking forward to that.

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Sounds like a great philosophy of Vader; I really do look forward to what you end up producing along these lines.
Since you asked, my idea with LOE for Anakin was that he becomes involved in growing tensions between his loyalties to the Jedi Order, Palpatine, and Padme. He’s tossed around for a while, then Palpatine springs this nightmare on him as a manipulation. From that point on, he leans toward Palpatine and has to make the final decision when pressed during the ‘assassination attempt.’ All along, he never appears paranoid (a byproduct of changing his storyline in reshoots IMHO) until we see him talk with Padme on Mustafar, after he has steeped himself in the darkness. It’s really not that different from what ROTS was going for with Anakin, just restructured to have it make more sense, arguably reaching closer to what the pre-reshoot version might have been. In my version, as in the original, Anakin still carries that ‘slave’ mindset, seeming to crave someone being a master over him. Your version will be quite different, in subtle ways.

Right, so it’s pretty similar, mine differs in how I’m leaning more heavily on being able to see Anakin possibly go either way (jedi or sith) and it would make sense; really harping on how his turn to the dark side was a choice. Not saying that that might not have been what you were going for with LoE, but I think having Anakin be much more resistant to Palpatine throughout and affirm to Padme that he’s with her - despite Palpatine trying to turn him against her - makes that more clear. Where you kind of downplayed Padme’s role in his turn, I tried to keep her just as, if not moreso, of a reason for his turn as his allegiances.

And of course, our depictions of Anakin after the christening of Vader are where the most diverging happens.

Also, and this might just be down to interpretation again, but I’m always a bit iffy about a “slave mindset” Anakin subconsciously still looking for a “master.” I’m really going for the angle that the dark side being freedom is what gets him there. Anakin would personally prioritize the military (his prestige as “general” being his public renown), his future with Padme, as well as his loyalty to/belief in Palpatine, over the Jedi code and responsibility to the council’s interests. He’s a slave to the jedi in the sense that he has to repress his humanity (Padme), and do things for them he does not politically or ideologically believe in (treason). I think showing Anakin actually presenting the council’s interests to Palpatine, despite having just established that he personally disagrees, is one extra way to show that he really was trying to be “a good jedi” (by the council’s standards). But - not to talk so lightly about slavery - that he gets no recognition or trust for that loyalty, (as well as from his accomplishments and skill), show a dynamic with Anakin and the council that is more “slave-ish”, than the liberation to feel what he wants and to do what he believes in, that Palpatine offers.

Where I make a decision not to be a “slave” hard for Anakin is in how I depict him having an understanding of why the council thinks Palpatine and the dark side are wrong, as well as having this grounding force that is his friendship with Obi Wan. He doesn’t call Obi Wan “master” and their relationship is personally equal; in that way, he can’t actually feel like a slave - they’re genuinely friends. So that’s how I’m thinking about it, and how I’m making it look like Anakin could possibly do one or other before he actually makes a decision.

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  • Less questions being asked in most situations. Portrays confidence, and intelligence. (He catches on to Palpatine quicker without one question; he moves ahead of him suspicious and the next thing he says in the scene is “You’re the Sith Lord!”)

How quickly does he catch on?

The original script goes something like this;


PALPATINE: It is upsetting to me to see that the Council doesn’t seem to fully appreciate your talents. Don’t you wonder why they won’t make you a Jedi Master?

ANAKIN: I wish I knew. More and more I get the feeling that I am being excluded from the Council. I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me.

PALPATINE: They don’t trust you, Anakin. They see your future. They know your power will be too strong to control. Anakin, you must break through the fog of lies the Jedi have created around you. Let me help you to know the subtleties of the Force.

They walk into the hallway.

ANAKIN: How do you know the ways of the Force?

PALPATINE: My mentor taught me everything about the Force . . . even the nature of the dark side.

They stop.

ANAKIN: You know the dark side?!?

PALPATINE: Anakin, if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the Force. Be careful of the Jedi, Anakin. (pausing) They fear you. In time they will destroy you. Let me train you.

ANAKIN: I won’t be a pawn in your political game. The Jedi are my family.

PALPATINE: Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to know the dark side of the Force, Anakin, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death.

ANAKIN: What did you say?

PALPATINE: Use my knowledge, I beg you . . .

ANAKIN: You’re a Sith Lord!

ANAKIN ignites his lightsaber.


Personally, I would cut everything in between Palpatine revealing he knows the Dark Side and Anakin realizing that he’s the Sith Lord, so it would play out like this;


PALPATINE: It is upsetting to me to see that the Council doesn’t seem to fully appreciate your talents. Don’t you wonder why they won’t make you a Jedi Master?

ANAKIN: I wish I knew. More and more I get the feeling that I am being excluded from the Council. I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me.

PALPATINE: They don’t trust you, Anakin. They see your future. They know your power will be too strong to control. Anakin, you must break through the fog of lies the Jedi have created around you. Let me help you to know the subtleties of the Force.

They walk into the hallway.

ANAKIN: How do you know the ways of the Force?

PALPATINE: My mentor taught me everything about the Force . . . even the nature of the dark side.

They stop.

ANAKIN: You’re a Sith Lord!

ANAKIN ignites his lightsaber.


I know that Hal just cuts out Palpatine’s line between “what did you say” and “you’re the Sith Lord!” Do you handle it the same way?

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Once Palpatine says that he knows the nature of the dark side, Anakin stops and steps ahead of him. He doesn’t ask “You know the dark side?”, he just kind of goes on guard and glares at him, so you can infer that he already has an idea of where it’s going. He doesn’t ignite his lightsaber yet. He lets Palps talk until “…save your wife” then he ignites his lightsaber without asking “what did you say?”

So he doesn’t automatically assume Palpatine is a Sith Lord, but once he hears about the dark side, he stops verbally engaging with him until there’s more “proof” of Palps’ sith lordiness, which is like one and two more sentences, I guess.

And since we’re on the topic of this scene, something else I did with it was I cut the “more and more I get feeling that I’m being excluded from the council…”

I changed the lines a bit so it now goes “I wish I knew… But I know there are things about the force that they’re not telling me - (re-insert) I’m being excluded from the council.” Anakin is supposed to be more confident all around in my cut, I think him making a direct assertion about what’s going on, and not what he kind of thinks/feels is going on better serves that.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc