Revenge Of The Cut - Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith (* unfinished project *) — Page 3

Thanks all for your comment. I'm glad you like my funny clips

I will see what I can do with the premonition and the death of Dooku.

Erikstormtrooper, I have planed to create other clip with Vader using Anakin's dialogue : )

Here is now a difficult part. Initially, I had removed 90% of this sequence, but after reflection I thought I could do something to "saved it from certain death..."

Part 6 - Obi-wan confronts Grievous :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZjnAJPNLqY

I removed all the stupid stuff and create something much more serious and intense.
Obi-wan seems now more heroic - he is no more a "hotshot ninja" (OMG)

A grand improvement but one thing that still makes no sense is why a Volcanic planet instantly equals safety.

It would have made more sense if it was de-registered (like Geonosis in the AOTC) and known only to Dooku (and therefore also by Sidious going by the original storyline).

That would give the Separatists the illusion of safety (something Palpatine could later exploit).

New voice is a huge improvement. Also, duel of the fates is perfect for an edit where Grievous is Maul. I don't know if you're aiming for that in your edit.

Nice editing Mr Cutter, Grevious's spinning sabers seem more of a serious threat

J

vaderios said:

You must consider that the clashes and hums are not placed randomly in any star wars movie.

Thanks Vaderios for your comment !

My work on the sound design is absolutely not done randomly. Each sound is treated separately with different eq, volume and pan. There is a real spacialisation (not only putting a sound right, or left etc but make it move)

I want to give the feeling that swords are moving just in front of us. The pan of each move is thoroughly calibrated.

See the original version, sounds are really weak, like little taser...we are talking about deadly lightsabers ! not cheerleaders sticks ^^ ! And many important sounds are missing. It's not good to put a sound on every move (specialy in a duel with 5 swords) but the missing sound in the original version are really important...The result is something very sluggish.

but you're right in that point : Some sounds are redundant, I need more lightsaber sounds, but I think, "in action", with music and without focusing on it, it works very well.

I made this video for you (this is not a public video) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNzuClwbTjw

Wow, I'm impressed with how much work you've done on the sound! How do you mix your sound? Is it with Soundtrack Pro? I haven't done any extensive sound mixing yet so don't know how to make a sound pan across channels as you have.

Bingowings said:

A grand improvement but one thing that still makes no sense is why a Volcanic planet instantly equals safety.

Thank you !

You're right, I will remove the relation between "volcanic planet" and "safety".

I just have to cut : "it's a volcanic planet". Grievous will just say : "you will be safe here" without any other indication

brash_stryker said:

New voice is a huge improvement. Also, duel of the fates is perfect for an edit where Grievous is Maul. I don't know if you're aiming for that in your edit.

Thanks !

It will be hard for me to do that without a new actor for Grievous voice and new dialog.

I am working with Sony Vegas (very easy to use) and Cubase. For the spacialisatoin you have to find the track pan automation. In Sony vegas you just have to click on P for the pan and V for the volume automation.

Thanks DIP and Erikstormtrooper for your kind words ! (I will see for the number of Grievous swords)

Jacobss said:

Looking forward to Sidious reveal and the fight between Mace and Palpatine.

 

Thanks you Jacobss

You're right, it's impossible te repair everything...I will see what I can do with the music.

As I already says, my Mace VS Palpatine duel is really really short...too much bad things. But I really worked hard on this (with Sidious revelation) to make it intense. Everthing here is shorter but much better (IMO of course).

one of the most important moment of the entire saga, and the most messed...

This will be my next video

Hope you like it too !

Not sure what you mean Angel. I thought it matched perfectly.

Also, reply to my last PM! :-p

vaderios said:

The point of sound desing is to treat it as a music instrument that follows the orchestra.

I agree !

Vaderios said :
I see what you did there about pointing missing hums and clashes but thats the point!
A good sound designer knows when to add or remove or tone up/down a sound so the eye of the viewer can focus on an specific aspect/point of a shot.I said harmony before and i meant if you have a new music choice then the sfx should follow with the proper value/rythm etc. or the opposite.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant when I said : "it's not good to put a sound in every move". But in the original movie there is a lot of mistake. You say "a good sound designer knows when to add a remove a sound" and it's perfectly true, but it's not the case here : The missing sounds in the duel between Grievous and Obi-wan aren't all well done; even if it's create by the best sound designer in the world.
The lightsaber sound design on the Phantom menace are infinitly superior, just perfect.
And regarding the harmony between fx and music I show you a perfect example of what I did in the duel Anakin vs Dooku. Wiithout my modification the lightsabers sounds are dissonants and create something strange with the new music.


Vaderios said
As for the "randomly" comment of mine i was meant to say the clashes and buzzes sounds are placed like random, not the channels ;)

I used the example of my work on the channel to show you that all the sound are not randomly placed but of course not randomly selected.
There is also a work (with EQ, pitch, time stretch...) to tailor the sound to the move. For example a "hum" may be to weighty or slow....
So I agree with you regarding the redundancy of some sounds but I can't on the point of "randomly", because it's simply not true : ) I take great care of this.

You may feel something a bit chaotic in this duel and I think that's why you said that. But this "chaotic effect" correspond perfectly to a duel with 5 swords !

vaderios said
For Feedback and only i just loved the musicless version of this duel. Taking the comment that the music are the sabers and something more than that is over the edge. Awesome example for less is more! :D

what do u mean by the musicless version ?

vaderios said

Use variation on every aspect you can. Thats Star wars. Nothing sounds the same twice. Thats why i like when im listening random laser sounds from the same guns.

I perfectly agree with you and I will do what I can

thanks again !

vaderios said:

what do u mean by the musicless version ?

The video you posted as private, you demonstrated a musicless/sfx only version of the duel between obi and GG. I liked that most from original or the duel of the fates version you ve made. The saber only sounds have more impact to an already busy enviroment ;)

 

I thought about that but I was not sure...

I used Duel of Fates to "hide the misery" of Grievous when he draws swords ( I don't like the idea of 4 lightsabers...).

As you see, this is exactly the same lightsaber sound design in the sound fx only and final version (with Duel of the fates). The lightsabers effects take here a lot of place because I put them really near us. So you're right, with the music it's a little too much.

I like very much the sound fx only version too. Duel of the fates is not a definitive choice. I will maybe put a music in the begining and stop it at Obi-wan's first strike

vaderios said:

How damn awesome is Luke versus vader with no music then add music and then again remove the music!

Yes !

The next video is coming soon...

I have to finish my "let's start the cutting process" part, many things to say...

there will be two videos : one for the cutting process (very long for this sequence) the other for the new edit (so you can directly watch the new cut)

Here we are !

The most important and difficult part to edit :

Part 7A Mace confronts Palpatine / Sidious revealed - cutting process only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vz6IClXgfY

Part 7B Mace confronts Palpatine / Sidious revealed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mumnasDetY