Return of the Jedi cut-scene — Page 6

It's an interesting short scene, but like many deleted scenes it's easy to see why it was cut.

The opening (following the Death Star II scenes) with R2 and Threepio walking to Jabba's palace is good enough on its own.

In addition, this particular cut scene was more or less done at the end of TESB when the group is escaping Cloud City and about to hyperdrive away.

Hello everybody,

Here's what Howard Kazanjian told me about the deleted scene...

http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2010/08/luke-and-lightsaber-restoration-o\f-jedi.html

Sorry, folks...don't know what happened there. Here's the link again...

Blog: STAR WARS AFICIONADO MAGAZINE
Post: LUKE AND THE LIGHTSABER: RESTORATION OF A JEDI!
Link: http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2010/08/luke-and-lightsaber-restoration-of-jedi.html

Great to get more perspective on these developments.  Wonder what made him toss in that tidbit about the ghosts...

xhonzi said:

is it just me, or does Kazanjian not really sound like he knows of what he speaks?

No, it's not just you, it looks the same way to me.

Hamill looks like Hamill on that scene, and I don't understand why they would need a body double for Hamill back then for that shot. I mean, they would need it NOW, but then? With Hamill looking exactly like he did on Jedi and available (because he did shot the X-Wing cockpit re-shot)? I don't believe it.

The most interesting thing is Kazanjian being the one to suggest Anakin's ghost show up at the end, instead of Ben/Yoda only.

It's interesting to read him say that it's a body double, if it is it's a very good match for Mark both facially and in terms of body language (It would also mean I would have to apologise to Vbangle who insists it's not Mark).

The footage in the meditation chamber looked like a composite to me as the helmet looks really glossy (as in the ROTJ style).

Does this mean that originally Vader was to address the Emperor from his booth in ESB (explaining his bow) and the hologram was later moved to outside the booth where he could kneel with more style?

xhonzi said:

Thanks for posting the interview, mania.  But is it just me, or does Kazanjian not really sound like he knows of what he speaks?  He looks at the blank space in the matte painting and thinks it's unfinished?  Clearly, he must know how matte paintings work/worked?  And I thought his comment about the ships' proximity to Jabba's was interesting... can Jabba's be seen in the painting?  I looked at the painting for a solid 30 seconds and couldn't find anything looking like a palace...

So we have Lucas saying it was Hamill, Hamill saying it wasn't and then saying it was, and Kazanjian saying it wasn't.  Whom do we believe?

I think what Kazanjian is saying about the Milliennium Falcon and X-Wing being so close to Jabba's Palace is they are relatively close, not actually right next to; in the same general vicinity where they might be spotted (since Jabba and at least Boba Fett know what the Falcon looks like).

I don't quite get why Howard doesn't recognize a matte painting with a black space for a live-action plate on it. Maybe he's been looking at too many CG effects over the years and forgotten.

Luke's first appearance in Jabba's Palace and the lightsaber fired from Artoo in the Skiff scene works much better than seeing that cut scene in the cave which is kind of pointless.

The Vader scene, obviously sounding and looking like something concocted from unused Empire and Jedi footage doesn't add anything new, and the dialogue is forgettable.

All those bits could have worked better in different contexts.

The meditation chamber bit should be on The Executor (with a new establishing FX shot) before Vader arrives at the Death Star (which should dwarf it).

The lift section should be before meeting Palpatine later in the film.

I don't think it hurts that much seeing the saber built but personally I would have had it built on Dagobah not Tatooine and have Yoda die in the beginning of the film (after completing Luke's Jedi training as best as he could) rather than just waiting for Luke to return and dropping down dead in the middle of his reunion conversation.

Only ANH starts with a bang.

Having ROTJ start with a carry over of the mood of ESB wouldn't have hurt the film in my opinion.

ESB starts rather slowly and starting this film with Luke telepathically pulled to his biological father while losing his last mentor would have bridged the downbeat ending of the previous chapter with the action sequences to come rescuing Han.

Having these little bits crunched together seems a little Forced (pun intended).

took a cab to Tatooine?

 LOL

Mielr said:

It not only looks like Mark Hamill's face- but it looks like his hands as well.

I don't know how HK can say that was "not Mark", especially since Mark says he now remembers shooting the scene.....

It's like a car crash with 10 witnesses, and 10 different reports of the accident.

Star Wars, Rashomon-style. Well Lucas is a fan of Akira Kurosawa isn't he? :)

They could thumb a Jawa taxi to the palace doors.

Easterhay said:

Chewtobacca said:

SilverWook said:

Thanks for exhuming that vile and ugly old phrase from the past, Sunday. We can have civil discussions and disagreements on this board without it.

I entirely agree.  The phrase is so extreme and unnecessary, and I find it more than a little disturbing.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.  Sunday was only quoting some sad and lonely fanboy who really needed to get a proper perspective on life.

Hmm, you know what would have helped your argument?  If he had used quotation marks.

Fail.