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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
How about the biggest plot hole of them all. Why does Leia remember Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?


Sadly, Lucas painted himself into a corner on this one. If he had Padme take Leia away, perserving the "she died when I was very young" it would of made everyone even more mad. Everyone would be asking "What ever happened to Padme? Why is she dead?" So you had to have her die, to provide closure on the character, and to explain why Vader isn't still looking for her.

As for how to view it, having the prequels cut into the original trilogy is the only was I can think of to do it and have it perserve the secrets. The "Godfather II" method would do this. But since I've seen it, I would guess the best way would be I-VI. For a new person, I would recommend release order. IV-VI, I-III.


I don't think so. I think it would have made perfect sense. Again, not everything has to be spelled out. It would actually amount to a heartwrenching sequence where Obi-Wan and Yoda make it known to her that she has to give up one of her children in order to keep them safe. And then have Bail offer to hide Padme and Leia on Alderaan. We don't actually have to see her die, as we're already told in Return of the Jedi that she died when Leia was very young. And then, as we did before Sith came out, our little minds can fill in the gaps.

Oh, and you can still have the Emperor tell Vader that Vader killed Padme since he was supposed to be lying in the first place. Problem solved.
yeah but vader would sense her presence
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If he thinks she's dead, then why would he sense her? He had two children wandering around for 20 years he didn't know about, but only when he knew about any of them was he able to sense them and even then, it seemed to be limited to a close proximity. I find it perfectly reasonable that he might never find her, especially if there's not much of a time frame before she dies.

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Why are we the ones that have to fill in the blanks? Essential blanks too...

Things the PT was supposed to reveal, but didn't:

Why palpatine looks like a walking corpse. Tell me why and you get a free ipod. Just the movies, not the literature.

Why some jedi vanish at death and others do not.

threepio's leg (no big deal, but we learn he's luke's brother so what the hell...)

why's leia a princess? I'm 'guessing' senator organa might be the plow king

Why leia remembers her mommy and Luke don't have a clue about her.

The familiar feeling on dagobah (though even I admit it's probably him sensing yoda's pressence.)

Things we discover in the pT that have NO BUSINESS BEING REVEALED TO US:

Jar jar's pretty much responsible for the birth of the empire

Chewie and Yoda were once good pals (wtf!!!!)

All jedi who aren't the 'cool' ones can't fight worth a damn.

r2 is rambo and can fly

Threepio and Luke are brothers

Yoda kept his little discovery about immortality to himself until all the jedi were practically extinct. good job.

Vader doesn't like sand, it's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets EVERYWHERE.

yes, obi-wan beat vader because he was standing on 'higher ground' Just forget all that crazy crap we saw in tpm with quigon, maul, and obiwan flying all over the place, not giving a damn who has the higher anything.

fudge it. I don't know what to think anymore.

Ot good, PT bad. Ot good Pt bad. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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You know, I just reallized, all Lucas has to do to let the Leia remembering Padme thing to work is to remove Luke's line of "I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her." Then we wouldn't know Luke's position, and it would then make more sense for her to remember.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: skyjedi2005 Plus obi wan was supposed to make a stop over at dagobah to confer with yoda, and having the new born luke with him this is how luke says later on in empire "there's something familiar about this place".



Yeah, I was watching ESB the other day with my aunt and she asked "So how does Luke feel that Dagobah is familar since he's never been there." I told her to ignore the prequals because they only raise more questions than they answer. Lucas could have easily film a scene where Obi-Wan and baby Luke are making a quick stop off at the planet for Yoda. But no, not Lucas. That wouldn't fit in with his "vision" or whatever the hell that really is.


Are you f**king kidding me?!! Do you guys want a scene showing everything? You never see an imperial throwing anything in teh garbage,yet the death star has a trash compactor. Why is n't there a scene to show a stormtrooper throwing something in the trash? You never see Han Solo take a dump, maybe Lucas should have filmed a scene to fill that hole. Luke's actual statement was 'Still... there's something familiar about this place. I feel like... I don't know...like we're being watched' . This is Luke f**cking skywalker, man!! He's strong in the force and the presence of the greatest Jedi Knight ever made him feel something that he couldn't quite place his finger on. That's it. Leave it alone for God's sake!! Even if Luke had not been around Yoda at birth (which he was) I would still not find Luke's familiar feeling comment strange.

If you guys wanna pick at Plot holes, you'll be here forever because, I don't know if anyone has told you but *whispers* the prequels are crap. If you want backstory, watch the prequel teaser trailers, then stick the OT in and watch a proper Star Wars film.


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I can accept that, but can you explain away the deal with Leia remembering Padme, but Luke not rememvering her?
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No I can't. Like I said - the prequels are crap and full of holes. forget them.
If you insist on explaining Leia's memory of her mother, which is a futile exercise IMO, I would say that she remembers her adoptive Mother who, in her eyes, is her 'real mother'. It might even be that she doesn't know she was adopted so when Luke asks about her 'real mother' she has no reason to think of anyone except the woman who raised her. But that is stretching it - like I said, crap and full of holes.

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I think that, if only Lucas would remove Luke saying immediately after Leia's recollections "I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her," then the scene would make sense, becuase you don't know whether Luke does, or not, but you assume he does. Hopefully, he will see the plot hole, and remove that line. However, with the scene in, here's my explanation:

Luke has more of a force connection to his father, Leia to her mother. Notice he can sense Vader always in the OT, but she can't.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I can accept that, but can you explain away the deal with Leia remembering Padme, but Luke not rememvering her?


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No one can explain it, unless you use the 'Lucas fan company line' it was the force. It is such a lame answer, I stopped arguing about it, cause Lucas couldn't take the time to think it out, because that was the whole way he approached the prequels, if it is just good enough, people will come in droves. Exhibit A: The ROTS DVD did great sales, because most people who love the PT don't look too much into the movie for ridiculous plot holes, they just want action, action, effects, and action.

Here is a quote by Rick McCallum in January 2005 right before ROTS about Leia remembering her mom, he said, "Leia's recollection as described in ROTJ have no inherent flaws and are valid given the greater context of the saga. But I suspect those looking for contradictions always find them."

If you read between the lines, even McCallum new there was a plot hole.
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But, if McCallum is serious, I would wonder where he is getting: "in the greater context of the saga" from, since that is exactly the problem. I wish he would do another message board chat on the official site, like he did a few months ago, so I could ask him his reasoning myself.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Luke has more of a force connection to his father, Leia to her mother. Notice he can sense Vader always in the OT, but she can't.
He has been trained by Ben and Yoda, she has received no training. I would not expect her to sense anything.

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Yes, but she could sense Luke and where he was at in ESB. She still can sense things, she was able to sense her mother. But, apparently not her father, only her mother.
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Luke specifically called out to her. Ben stated that if Luke chose to face Vader he could not interfere. Han was in Carbonite. That leaves Leia, Chewie (Luke's friend but not as close a friend as Leia), and Lando (who Luke has never even met). Who else would he call out to?

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Yes, but she could sense Luke and where he was at in ESB. She still can sense things, she was able to sense her mother. But, apparently not her father, only her mother.


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Yes, she could sense Luke because he was calling out to her, and he is a force user. Padme, was not a force user, so how could she have any relationship to her kids in that matter, where apparently they got the midiclorians from Anakin.

I cannot believe I just incoporated midiclorians to prove my point, damn you prequels, you have screwed up the whole SW saga for me, because I make as much sense as some of Lucas' remarks.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: skyjedi2005 Plus obi wan was supposed to make a stop over at dagobah to confer with yoda, and having the new born luke with him this is how luke says later on in empire "there's something familiar about this place".



Yeah, I was watching ESB the other day with my aunt and she asked "So how does Luke feel that Dagobah is familar since he's never been there." I told her to ignore the prequals because they only raise more questions than they answer. Lucas could have easily film a scene where Obi-Wan and baby Luke are making a quick stop off at the planet for Yoda. But no, not Lucas. That wouldn't fit in with his "vision" or whatever the hell that really is.


Are you f**king kidding me?!! Do you guys want a scene showing everything? You never see an imperial throwing anything in teh garbage,yet the death star has a trash compactor. Why is n't there a scene to show a stormtrooper throwing something in the trash? You never see Han Solo take a dump, maybe Lucas should have filmed a scene to fill that hole. Luke's actual statement was 'Still... there's something familiar about this place. I feel like... I don't know...like we're being watched' . This is Luke f**cking skywalker, man!! He's strong in the force and the presence of the greatest Jedi Knight ever made him feel something that he couldn't quite place his finger on. That's it. Leave it alone for God's sake!! Even if Luke had not been around Yoda at birth (which he was) I would still not find Luke's familiar feeling comment strange.

If you guys wanna pick at Plot holes, you'll be here forever because, I don't know if anyone has told you but *whispers* the prequels are crap. If you want backstory, watch the prequel teaser trailers, then stick the OT in and watch a proper Star Wars film.



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