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Return of the Jedi + Revenge of the Sith = one amazing movie!

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I think Jedi and Sith are both good films, with some sections that are outstanding and others that are average, hence that's why I can't rank them as high as Empire or Star Wars. However, I think if you cut down on much of the Jabba, Ewok and space fight sequences in Jedi and then inserted the crucial parts of Sith as a flashback it would work really well.

A good place to "flash back" would be in the middle of the Luke/Obiwan scene on Daghobah. After Obiwan's "I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong" line, it could say "24 years ago" and then you switch to Sith and see Anakin's fall. It's as if Obiwan is telling Luke the story about how Anakin fell to the Dark Side. Then after the Sith scenes are shown, it goes back to the rest of the Luke/Obiwan scene.

IMO, this would work for many reasons. Seeing Anakin's fall and redemption in the same film would add to the drama of the film. I think the Star Wars story is much more effective if Luke is still the central character, with Vader's importance growing in each SW film. Plus if one were to watch the films in this order, you still get the shock of the Vader revelation.

I think you could combine the films into a 2 1/2- 3 hour film. I also think you could edit the "Sith" section so that all the plotholes George created would be cut out. The whole saving Padme from dying could be cut out and Anakin's sole reason for turning could be that Palpy brainwashes him into thinking the Jedi don't trust Anakin and are planning to take over the Senate. That always seemed like the real reason he turned anyway. Padme's death could even be chopped out, and one could just imply she went to hiding on Alderaan with the Organas and died when Leia was maybe 4 or 5 years old. Her comments that her mother was kind, beautiful but sad would be a good way to describe Padme after Anakin force chokes her.

All I know is that whenever I watch Sith, I always want to watch Vader redeemed in Jedi!
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It's so brilliant, it's crazy. Wait, strike that. Reverse it.

That's a hell of a project and would be pretty cool, like the Revenge of the Sith teaser's flashback to the PT, which was excellent, I tell you.

It'd probably be really cool. The only thing standing against it might be the secret to immortality being fumbled and left unresolved in Sith. We know that yoda, obiwan, quigon, and Anakin ultimately reach oneness with the force, but not a hair of how they do it. And that's an issue it seems lucas will take with him to the grave unless he has more changes in store for ep 3.

As an addition to what you've already mentioned, how about inserting a quick flashback to Obiwan on the "high ground" when we see Luke flip up to that walkway away from Vader. Then it'll be somewhat of a surprise to see Vader just chuck his saber at Luke rather than jump up there to lose his limbs again. No, I'm not being serious.
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it has been said before that Star Wars should be seenas a "Godfatther 2" like experience, with intercalating flashbacks, but I disagree (although I so agree that watching it as 4-5-1-2-3-6 should be kinda neat).
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I have ALWAYS wanted to see shots from the PT of Anakin's early life and leading up to the immolation and suit going on edited in extremely quick shots at the end of ROTJ when Vader is watching Luke being shocked by force lightning. That would work for one AMAZING sequence!!!!!!
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quote "The only thing standing against it might be the secret to immortality being fumbled and left unresolved in Sith". Read the novelization and the screenplay and you will get your answers.

I too was angry that the qui gon deleted scenes did not make the dvd of sith. Who knows if liam was actually willing to shoot them. Plus obi wan was supposed to make a stop over at dagobah to confer with yoda, and having the new born luke with him this is how luke says later on in empire "there's something familiar about this place".

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Liam Neeson has really pissed me off. So he didn't like working in front of bluescreen - well, boo-fucking-hoo! I got news for the esteemed Mr. "Too Good To Even Dial In A Performance" Neeson.

Get it while the getting is good, because you're one step away from doing Japanese liquor commercials.
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The secret of immortality doesn't need to be explained at all. Before Episode I, it all made complete sense - as far as we knew after ROTJ, EVERY Jedi disappeared upon death and became an apparition. Qui-Gon created the problem he solved.
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How about the biggest plot hole of them all. Why does Leia remember Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?
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And that means that this idea would work like a charm...you would still need the ewoks, though, unfortunately. *Cue someone's wacky idea of substituting ROTS Kashyyyk scenes for ROTJ Endor scenes*.
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i dont care about plot holes as long as one of the prequels was entertaining, thankfully rots was (for me at least)
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
How about the biggest plot hole of them all. Why does Leia remember Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?


I was adopted and I don't remember my mother, my real mother!

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I was half-expecting Lucas to give some cop-out excuse for why he made this decision, but he avoided it.
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LUKE: Do you remember your mother - your real mother?
LEIA:...


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... I'M ADOPTED???

LUKE: (backpedal)
VADER: Let me look on you with my own eyes...

LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?

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Originally posted by: Zebonka
LUKE: Do you remember your mother - your real mother?
LEIA:...


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... I'M ADOPTED???

LUKE: (backpedal)


LOL!

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I was half-expecting Lucas to give some cop-out excuse for why he made this decision, but he avoided it.


Flip, flop, flip, flop.

Honestly, do all of you plot hole people need everything spelled out for you?

Take a little bit on faith for God's sake. Use a little imagination for a change instead of wanting everything spoon fed to you.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
How about the biggest plot hole of them all. Why does Leia remember Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?


Sadly, Lucas painted himself into a corner on this one. If he had Padme take Leia away, perserving the "she died when I was very young" it would of made everyone even more mad. Everyone would be asking "What ever happened to Padme? Why is she dead?" So you had to have her die, to provide closure on the character, and to explain why Vader isn't still looking for her.

As for how to view it, having the prequels cut into the original trilogy is the only was I can think of to do it and have it perserve the secrets. The "Godfather II" method would do this. But since I've seen it, I would guess the best way would be I-VI. For a new person, I would recommend release order. IV-VI, I-III.
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hey Jenny, what's up? haven't seen you in a while. I don't think Lucas allows or actualy wants flashbacks in Star Wars. ROTS did have it's faults but I'd rather keep it the way it is
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005 Plus obi wan was supposed to make a stop over at dagobah to confer with yoda, and having the new born luke with him this is how luke says later on in empire "there's something familiar about this place".



Yeah, I was watching ESB the other day with my aunt and she asked "So how does Luke feel that Dagobah is familar since he's never been there." I told her to ignore the prequals because they only raise more questions than they answer. Lucas could have easily film a scene where Obi-Wan and baby Luke are making a quick stop off at the planet for Yoda. But no, not Lucas. That wouldn't fit in with his "vision" or whatever the hell that really is.
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See my above post regarding having everything spelled out. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny

Yeah, I was watching ESB the other day with my aunt and she asked "So how does Luke feel that Dagobah is familar since he's never been there."


See, I never had a problem with this line. Luke got a familiar feeling right as Yoda was right behind him for the first time since he was a baby. Some of you are fishing for plot holes where they don't exist.
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yeah but if he remembers yoda why doesnt he remember his mother?
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I'm not sure he "remembers" Yoda. At least not in the same way Leia "remembers" her mother. Its more of a deja-vu type thing. He recognizes him, but he doesn't really realize that he does.
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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
How about the biggest plot hole of them all. Why does Leia remember Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?


Sadly, Lucas painted himself into a corner on this one. If he had Padme take Leia away, perserving the "she died when I was very young" it would of made everyone even more mad. Everyone would be asking "What ever happened to Padme? Why is she dead?" So you had to have her die, to provide closure on the character, and to explain why Vader isn't still looking for her.

As for how to view it, having the prequels cut into the original trilogy is the only was I can think of to do it and have it perserve the secrets. The "Godfather II" method would do this. But since I've seen it, I would guess the best way would be I-VI. For a new person, I would recommend release order. IV-VI, I-III.


I don't think so. I think it would have made perfect sense. Again, not everything has to be spelled out. It would actually amount to a heartwrenching sequence where Obi-Wan and Yoda make it known to her that she has to give up one of her children in order to keep them safe. And then have Bail offer to hide Padme and Leia on Alderaan. We don't actually have to see her die, as we're already told in Return of the Jedi that she died when Leia was very young. And then, as we did before Sith came out, our little minds can fill in the gaps.

Oh, and you can still have the Emperor tell Vader that Vader killed Padme since he was supposed to be lying in the first place. Problem solved.

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Look, the Organa's knew Padme and probably saw no harm in telling Leia about her. As a consequence, she probably had a picture in her mind of what Padme was like.

The Lars knew Padme and that if they told Luke what really happened to her than his safety would be compromised.

So Leia's memory could have come from the Organa's...anyway, it's a good of enough reason for me.