Sure, but there's really only two parts where the music needed to be changed, and that approached worked for me. Your mileage may vary.
But a little fade-in/out at the edges of the dialogue, with an extra layer of music can do a lot. (Case in point, mash-up DJs rarely work with perfectly clean samples.)
itsatrap said:
Sure, but there's really only two parts where the music needed to be changed, and that approached worked for me. Your mileage may vary.
But a little fade-in/out at the edges of the dialogue, with an extra layer of music can do a lot. (Case in point, mash-up DJs rarely work with perfectly clean samples.)
Oh yeah, I hear ya... And I agree.... But when you made that statement, I had a glimmer of hope for bigger things. I'm glad it's working for your project.
Liked the preview theres a hint of - will the rebels on endor get the shield lowered before the rebel fleet gets to the death star? kinda race - which without the ewoks will be a bit more exciting :)
you can cut out the whole brother sister plot thats always been really awfull! (IMO!) but whatever you do looks like you're on the right track!
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I agree! The removal of the brother/sister plot and the removal of the Ewoks would help ROTJ tremendously.
I personally am more in favour of making the Ewoks a more realistic alien culture, removing the forced humor around them and beefing up the Rebel and Imperial forces (essentially keeping the elements as described in the story but fixing them so they work) but that doesn't detract from my interest in edits like this one jot.
As for the Luke/Leia brother/sister relationship it doesn't really bother me so much as it gives a hint that the story could continue in your imagination but it just doesn't on screen.
What I object to is that it's too obviously convenient both as a cap on the now dead 'other' plot strand and for the love triangle problem, not necessarily because the new plot element is there but because of the way it's handled on screen.
Vader the father was introduced to complicate the plot and give the saga something extra to build on. When Lucas lost interest in Star Wars Leia the sister was thrown in to cap the plot and finish the saga quickly and there are only so many of those things you can throw into one film (Jabba dead, Fett dead, Yoda dead, Vader dead, Emperor dead, Empire apparently dead, oh and Leia is Luke sister too). The audience needs more chewing time before swallowing all that.
Can't argue with that. I know Possessed is working an edit that's makes the Ewoks look less cutesy and more like warriors, so that may suit some tastes better. Personally, I'd rather just be rid of them altogether, so my (less ambitious) edit will cater to those who have that simple preference.
And I'd love to get rid of the brother/sister thing, but that would alter the whole Vader-goading-Luke-into-fighting bit, which is one of the few scenes I actually like.
So this will just be about the elimination of Ewoks, and making the movie work without them.
Is there a place we can read about Possessed's edit?
mrbenja0618 said:
Is there a place we can read about Possessed's edit?
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Possessed-edit-of-ROTJ-Preview-available-now/topic/11665/
Yeah sorry. Meant to say that I already scrolled down and found... Even forgot that I read about this. Thanks for the link regardless.
Is there supposed to be a back up Rebel team hiding in the forest? My initial reaction was that C3PO popping up was all that was needed to distract the troopers, which seems silly. Han Solo would have knocked out one trooper and then would have been shot by three others. The second viewing showed a lone Rebel outside the circle. What causes all of the Imperials to scatter and not attack Han and company?
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." – John Lennon
It's too bad there isn't some way to make Endor into Kayshyyk. The rebels go to meet up with Wookiee commandos in a secret tree base, making the Luke and Leia scene in the village not stick out.
Did any significant blue screen Wookiee footage from Episode III make it into any of the documentaries?
Where were you in '77?
A few shots here and there did but not enough to build a large chunk of the film out of.
someone made a fake trailer for episode 2 thats on utube - (I thought i saw it before seeing episode 1 at the cinema but may be wrong).
it included christopher walken and gabriel byrne and a woman from last of the mohicans - can't remember her name - the one who threw herself off the cliff after mogua had killed her boyfriend...
anyway it also included a battle scene from braveheart where the army of scot's had they're swords rotoscoped into lightsabres. I didnt realise the scene was from braveheart untill someone mentioned it on the comments!
Anyone I actually thought it was a REAL star wars trailer (at the time it was not branded as fake!) and was really dissapointed when i saw the movie and no mr walken or byrne or pretty lady from Last of the mohicans....(boy am i gullable??)
....im babbling now, the point of this message was like using something from the wookie planet or - can you use alternate footage from some war film and play with it, such as rotoscoping or whatever to expand the battle scene... even if you did find sort of acceptable footage tho i would imagine it would be a BIG job to put in laser blasts and the odd imperial trooper etc....
just wondered if that was feasible? and im so gullable, i'd except it :) lol
and on the subject of possessed's ROTJ edit too, Im looking forward to seeing yours and his - i think ROTJ is the one that could benefit most from fanediting and having two different visions of this film going on is cool :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Z-WpoT0gc
-Angel
^ Thats the one Vaderios :)
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It might look interesting (like a workprint with animated storyboards) but it wouldn't look like a finished film.
The dream scenario for what you are suggesting (indeed for a lot of ideas of this sort) would be to treat the Endor scenes a bit like a separate but well made fan film.
Shoot it in the same aspect ration as the movie in a similar location under similar lighting and then marry it back to the original material.
It's not impossible (some fan films looks really great) but it involves a lot of hard work and organisation.
skye1083 said:
Is there supposed to be a back up Rebel team hiding in the forest? My initial reaction was that C3PO popping up was all that was needed to distract the troopers, which seems silly. Han Solo would have knocked out one trooper and then would have been shot by three others. The second viewing showed a lone Rebel outside the circle. What causes all of the Imperials to scatter and not attack Han and company?
Yeah, I was wondering if people thought that. If that edit doesn't work, the rest probably won't, either. This version depends on the viewer believing that Han and friends could overtake the Stormtroopers without help.
Maybe it needs a composited shot of the Rebels jumping out after 3PO's "We surrender!" line, but I'm at a loss on how to do that.
And aside from a few nice comments here, there doesn't seem to be much interest in this project, and my enthusiasm for it is waning as well. I'll leave this as a fun thought experiment -- maybe it'll spark ideas for other editors out there in the future.
That's a shame.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Big shame....
But I understand at the same time.
I was voicing potential difficulties but you really should give it a try.
It's a smallish section of one act of the film.
Try doing it purely with editing and see how far that gets you and then figure out if there are any new skills or techniques you need to learn or develop to improve on what is there.
There is a lot to be said for trying this sort of thing before making any announcements because sometimes the sort of responses you can get may make the task seem impossible.
Nothing is really impossible, there are varying levels of hard work and difficulty involved but the best way to learn how to do something is to just start and see where the journey takes you.
Look at the footage, figure out what is meant to be going on and if it doesn't make sense try and come up with (possibly with the help of others) ways to make it make sense.
Please don't give up - i'm really in awe of people that do these fan edits, which is why i lurk on these forums!
What you've described sounds really exciting, even if you don't finish exactly like how you planned - it's all good!
I know some people on these forums can be a bit harshly over-critical ignore them and carry on the way you're going!
If any of my comments came across as being negative about your project, that wasnt my intention - I just have a habit of butting into other peoples conversations :)
Since you've started this, it would be a shame not to see it thru to the end!
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Oh no, cutnshut -- everybody here has been nothing but helpful! It was great to get feedback so quickly, and the ideas that were generated in this thread were terrific.
Spence's edit suffered because he didn't ask for input before releasing it. I wanted to go the opposite route and collaborate with the OT community before I went too far. And the more I talked it out, the more it looked like my ideas weren't going to work.
But like I said, maybe something here will inspire a bolder editor than me. :)
ah ok, well it was fun while it lasted :) but i think it could work and not everything has to make total sense - Adywan mentioned that on his own thread - especially as you have to make do with whats already been filmed.
but anywho :p
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itsatrap said:
skye1083 said:
Is there supposed to be a back up Rebel team hiding in the forest? My initial reaction was that C3PO popping up was all that was needed to distract the troopers, which seems silly. Han Solo would have knocked out one trooper and then would have been shot by three others. The second viewing showed a lone Rebel outside the circle. What causes all of the Imperials to scatter and not attack Han and company?
Yeah, I was wondering if people thought that. If that edit doesn't work, the rest probably won't, either. This version depends on the viewer believing that Han and friends could overtake the Stormtroopers without help.Maybe it needs a composited shot of the Rebels jumping out after 3PO's "We surrender!" line, but I'm at a loss on how to do that.
And aside from a few nice comments here, there doesn't seem to be much interest in this project, and my enthusiasm for it is waning as well. I'll leave this as a fun thought experiment -- maybe it'll spark ideas for other editors out there in the future.
Aren't there some scenes of Rebels sneaking through the woods you could use? There's no reason to think that Han has his whole team with him. But I don't think there are any shots of nameless Rebels shooting really. :-/
Maybe you'll think of something later?
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." – John Lennon
Sad to hear the project is over. =/ As for there being more rebel troops, I've always wondered what happened to that second team? You know the one with the prune faces, they just kind of wander off and we never see them again. Would be cool if someone could shoot some new footage and reinsert that team into the battle.