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Requiem for a Clone War dream... (2003 series) (* unfinished project * - lots of info) — Page 2

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Not to seem boring but the The multitude of songs from all 6 movies IMO would be more than enough to work for this project

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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Yes, I know there is a lot, But ti doesn't make it easy to choose.

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Were you asking what songs from the saga to use then?

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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"..any music that would suit the feel of the project."

At present I'm open to any suggestions, No matter how whacked out crazy they might sound.
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haven't had a while lot of free time this week but I have been managing to break down the scenes and shots to assemble things the way I want.

One thing I've been thinking about is the point where chapter 21 skips ahead with the battle montage and then the introduction of the 'new look' obiwan and anakin. It just seems like a fairly large jump ahead in time.

Basically the options i'm considering are

1 Do nothing about it, Leave it as it is.
2 Do nothing but add a title card to the effect of 'X amount of time later...'
3 Try to extend the battle montage to help fill out the period of time.

What do people think? I'd lean towards option 3 - Retooling some of the 'battle of coruscant' footage.
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If you can pull option 3 off successfully, I say go for it. But if you can't option 1 or 2 is fine, because I never really thought about the amount of time that had passed.


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I like option 2

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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S I'm trying to get to sleep ad a thought occurs...In regards to Kitt fisto's underwater adventure

If your average Lightsaber has the ability to do this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/JediKnights.jpg
then shoudn't it literally be boiling the water all around him?
http://www.gwiezdne-wojny.pl/grafika/2003/paz/f.jpg

I don't really have a problem with the sequence, Just seems kinda odd.

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Yes, about the water. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Obi-Wans saber sizzling and smoking from the rain drops during the Jango Fett fight

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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Originally posted by: GhostAlpha26
Yes, about the water. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Obi-Wans saber sizzling and smoking from the rain drops during the Jango Fett fight


So was Anakin's Lightsaber during his fight with Asajj Ventress in Clone Wars.

Master Qui-Gon

Master Qui-Gon/TheRealDealReloaded On Youtube

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Yes, the lightsaber would boil the water around it.


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Yes the lightsaber boils the water all around the lightsaber itself, but it wouldn't do so all around Fisto. The heat from a lightsaber dissipates a very short distance from the blade itself. At the beginning of the Qui-Gon door cutting scene you see the lightsaber draw a very fine line, then they shut the bigger doors. At this point he started using the force to extend the lightsabers heat enough to melt the whole friggin door instead of cut into it.
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Originally posted by: DarthBalls1138
Yes the lightsaber boils the water all around the lightsaber itself, but it wouldn't do so all around Fisto. The heat from a lightsaber dissipates a very short distance from the blade itself. At the beginning of the Qui-Gon door cutting scene you see the lightsaber draw a very fine line, then they shut the bigger doors. At this point he started using the force to extend the lightsabers heat enough to melt the whole friggin door instead of cut into it.


And to add to this, I will provide some more lightsaber facts. Lightsabers are not hot until something makes contact with the blade. It has to do with the atoms in the plasma that makes the blade. When something touches the blade it causes the atoms to react violently creating a heat which can cut through almost anything. I read this recently and thought I would share.


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cool. I was also thinking that QG seemed pretty heated during that sequence but that was probably on account of the melting door 'metal' I guess.

So while i'm starting to assmble this clone wars beast...

What were peoples most and least favourite moments during the series?

And I guess, What would you most lie to change? - For any cool things I may have missed.

Obviously some things are under wraps atm. I was planning a short comparison vid for lightsabers but i'm getting some nasty results so I may just post some shots in the mean time. I'll also set aside some time today to rewatch both volumes, Partly to give myself a break and partly see which parts I enjoy the most.




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Two parts that I absolutely hate are when Anikan is saving those Jedi caught in those orange bubbles from that big droid, and when Anikan lands and Padme see his scar for the first time then it switched to a wide view and a light in a window goes out. The first one is cheesy and the second is just out of place. Right after this Anikan heoroic montage it switches to Anikan and Padme getting it on. It always pulls me out of the experience "awsome clone wars - pause Anikan and Padme make Luke and Leia - okay back to clone wars." We know how Luke and Leia came about we don't need it shown in any way.


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Johnny,

I took your own advice and watched all 25 chapters to refresh my memory. I got some ideas that I hope could help.

Volume 1

-Although the Kit underwater sequence doesn't have a very noticeable boiling water effect its still slightly there and I think it works alright.

-One of the early chapters 3 or 4, I think it would be cool to give all the ARC troopers color. Some of the troopers are just in plain white armor. However in the 21st Chapter all the ARC troopers have colored armor. I think it just makes them look more of a specialized unit and would be a cool touch.

-When Durge yells, I think its after they destroy all the Republic land cruisers, its sounds a little too much like Chewie howling, I dont know if you could do anything with that or not I just think it seems a little out of place

-When we first see Ventress fight in the arena she has a blue and a green lightsaber it seems too predictable. Since she was a dark Jedi I thought maybe she could get a different color, maybe something unorthodox, white or black perhaps

-When the story is taking place at Ilum right after Padme receives her coat from C-3P0 the next shot is of R2's upper dome spinning and the way it spins his eye spins behind "camera" and the optical eye is back in front way too fast.

-At Yavin when the Troopers deploy with the "Hut, hut hut hut" I thought it was rather corny and maybe you could just remove that completely

Volume 2

-The first chapter when the Troopers are fighting grievous I thought it would be cool to add cuts/slashes onto the troopers similar to what happens to them when they fight grievous on coruscant in the chancellor's room

-The whole scene of Anakin walking through the masses on coruscant and the next scene with Padme seemed really boring and unesseccary

-One part where I thought you could add new music (I cant remember the chapter) Its right when Anakin is eating all the bugs and worms and Obi-Wan explains how they will take the sewers to infiltrate the enemy base right after he describes their plans the music that drops in there and the in the next scenes through the sewers could use different music I thought.

-The scene of C-3P0 and Padme during the Battle of coruscant should be gone


One other scene is the Mace scene on dantooine, I know others have said it is ridiculous but it still is a cool scene. Theres no denying that it is outlandish but its still cool to watch I don't think it should be deleted. I know it raises questions like why couldn't he have just done that at geonosis but you just gotta rationalize it in strange ways like, geonosis was the first true conflict/action Jedi had seen in a long time and they would not have been that good in their first conflict but became increasingly better and hugely more efficient against droids as the Clone Wars proceeded.


But these are just some suggestions I had after just watching the two volumes I hope you like some of them.

One other thing are you going to have the 2 volumes flow right into each other or have credits after the 20th Chapter?






"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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First off - I'm spending a bit of time for a general method that works for all the lightsabers. It's hard to get consistent results using the exact same methods form shot to shot. Here's something i've been tweaking. I'm not quite 100% happy with it yet - Some bits might need to be toned down a bit, Of course I'm trying to work WITH existing effects here rather than replacing them entirely...What do people think?

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2581/saberuploadag2.jpg

I should mention it is a little hard to visualise out of context [motion] and it is clear [in motion] which blades cross where etc.
And note that I've left the blade edges 'sharp' here rather than softening them slightly with a white blur. Not for any reason realy, Just a work in progress.

Aside from that I'm still on the lookout for suitable music to use. To that end I've begun listening to some of Gustav Holst's 'the planets' tunes and noticed some sections that might fit in very well.

here's the original shot for reference

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/635/referencebr7.jpg

GhostAlpha26,

RE: Fisto - I'm pretty much happy with this part as it is. I'm not really bothered by the 'boiling water' issue so it's not really a problem for me, Just something I thought about while my mind was wondering. I also love the music for the underwater part so I'll try and keep things mostly as they are.

RE: ARC Troopers - I plan to add more colouring to the ARC troopers and troops in general. In AOTC there were colour codes for the commanding ranks but with ROTS practically every single trooper had coloured markings, even some i thought were all white had pale grey sections when i looked closer. Rather than a transition from one style to the other I prefer to assume that the 'coloured' markings snowballed pretty quickly. That said I'm trying not to interfere with established characters / colour schemes.

RE: Durge - The Chewie growl ws something that I noticed right away. It didnt really bother me too much initially - Felt more like a throwback to the old days. I'd be up for replacing it, I wont want to stray too far tho. does anyone have any idea what D would sound like, Does he speak at all? I know practically nothing about the guy...I might go do a little research.

RE: Ventress - I'm happy with th egreen and blue but i'm prepared to consider other options.

One thing I'm going over is the timeline of the clone wars and the whole sequence where Dooku meets Ventress does seem a little out of place in the context of the story. I'll consider the idea of a flashback if it works out well - without confusing the audience. Apparently this should have happened before the 'battle of muunilist' but I could be mistaken.

When the story is taking place at Ilum right after Padme receives her coat from C-3P0 the next shot is of R2's upper dome spinning and the way it spins his eye spins behind "camera" and the optical eye is back in front way too fast.


I never noticed that, I'll check it out.

The "hut hut hut" never really bothered me, It makes me smile. Keep in mind these guys aren't anything special - just Ventress fodder. Might work out about the same with purely footsteps.

The final product wont have volumes. It will be one long chapter spanning all 25 micro chapters. Credits at the end just like the movies. I'll be redoing them to include all the series details [both volumes] and anything additional. I'll be happy to list those who help me out. For peple wh get a kick out of that sort of thing.

The first chapter when the Troopers are fighting grievous I thought it would be cool to add cuts/slashes onto the troopers similar to what happens to them when they fight grievous on coruscant in the chancellor's room


Hmm. I just took a look and you dont really get to see the impact tho, GG slashes these guys across the front and they are facing away from us.

I do like the Ani walking thru the streets but the whole sequence could be trimmed down a bit.

The scene of C-3P0 and Padme during the Battle of coruscant should be gone

Most definitely! I don't know what else to say. It's a pointless shot and makes the city feel VERY small.

I have to agree with you on the Dantooine sequence. Overall I like it, I doo think it's over the top tho, If possible iI plan to spread it out a little more and trim it a little. Basically we should see that he can take on these Droids but it is actually taking a toll on him and his performance. One thing I'd like to add would be a shot of him tkaing a break for a second, He's about to be attacked and his troops blast the Droids, allowing him to regroup for a second and take off again. It didnt start out as a one man show.

Overall thanx a lot for the suggestions, Keep them coming....[everyone]
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Johnny Ringo
I'm not quite 100% happy with it yet - Some bits might need to be toned down a bit, Of course I'm trying to work WITH existing effects here rather than replacing them entirely...What do people think?



I think the colors are absolutely perfect, a huge advancement compared to the original colors. I think the glow around the sabers should be toned down a bit, they seems kinda wide. Other than that they look good, keep up the great work. I like the Banner in your sig by the way

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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I think the camoflague looks great on the clones, although it would be weird for them to arrive there with it on. Maybe they could high-tech uniforms where the clones arrive, they push a button on their uniforms and the uniforms change color to adapt to their surroundings. Like a chameleon. If there isn't a button you could use, you could dub in a line about "Activate interactive armor" or something like that. Just a thought.
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I'll definitely consider it. I really wanna make it happen.

There's nothing to say they didn't suit up during the flight to Yavin.
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I need help...

I need detailed information on Asajj Ventress. I want to try some things with the character and want to see how far i can 'push' things.

I'm talking detals that would not be easy to find / wiki - if any
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Heres a thread strictly about her from SW.com

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?&threadID=166335

"The Empire can't stop us now..now its our turn" -Luke-

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Here is the Wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asajj_ventress
Reading her story before the Clone Wars cartoon, she seems to have been briefly a jedi apprentice. So her green and blue lightsabers make sense. That, and it also could be assumed that she got the lightsabers from some other jedi who was killed in the clone wars or she killed at some point. I wouldn't think one would need to recolor the sabers some other color.

But for your edit, I personally wouldn't be too concerned about keeping EU continutity with Ventress. Do what you want to do with it, and if it contradicts something in the EU, oh well. It seems like to me that they've pretty much turned Ventress into someone who is "just too cool to die" like Boba Fett.