logo Sign In

Religion — Page 71

Author
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible is very clear in this statement.

Care to elaborate?

It’s very clear in its condemnation of self-righteousness and relying on good works.

I never condemned self righteousness and doing good deeds; I have merely stated that being a decent person and doing good deeds is easy…that’s all lol

I meant that the Bible is opposed to relying on your ability to do good works.

Well that’s only when it comes to doing nothing but still having your prayer answered…Which is a completely specific circumstance.

Author
Time

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible is very clear in this statement.

Care to elaborate?

It’s very clear in its condemnation of self-righteousness and relying on good works.

I never condemned self righteousness and doing good deeds; I have merely stated that being a decent person and doing good deeds is easy…that’s all lol

I meant that the Bible is opposed to relying on your ability to do good works.

Well that’s only when it comes to doing nothing but still having your prayer answered…Which is a completely specific circumstance.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I was saying that the Bible is clear that good works play no factor in what gets a man to heaven.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible is very clear in this statement.

Care to elaborate?

It’s very clear in its condemnation of self-righteousness and relying on good works.

I never condemned self righteousness and doing good deeds; I have merely stated that being a decent person and doing good deeds is easy…that’s all lol

I meant that the Bible is opposed to relying on your ability to do good works.

Well that’s only when it comes to doing nothing but still having your prayer answered…Which is a completely specific circumstance.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I was saying that the Bible is clear that good works play no factor in what gets a man to heaven.

Prayers were the topic of conversation…not Heaven.

Author
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

I didn’t think that was true.

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

I didn’t think that was true.

The Bible makes real clear that works without faith is of no value.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

Does it make the opposite clear, that faith with nothing else is all that is needed?

Author
Time

Well then I declare my previous view (“religion is silly”) pretty spot-on.

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Does it make the opposite clear, that faith with nothing else is all that is needed?

Yes, but it also stipulates that unrepentant licentiousness implies that you probably aren’t truly a believer anyway. It’s also pretty specific on the Jesus Christ described in the New Testament, and none other. Another Jesus is no Jesus.

The Person in Question

Author
Time
 (Edited)

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Does it make the opposite clear, that faith with nothing else is all that is needed?

It explicitly says the opposite, actually. According to some people’s interpretations, it does, but the Letter of James says:

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? […] So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

Author
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

RicOlie_2 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does it make the opposite clear, that faith with nothing else is all that is needed?

It explicitly says the opposite, actually. According to some people’s interpretations, it does, but the Letter of James says:

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? […] So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

Dead faith is still faith nonetheless. James refers to works being the evidence of faith. Works have nothing to do with salvation according to the New Testament.

The Person in Question

Author
Time
 (Edited)

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

With these three options to choose from:

  1. Take the Bible at 100% face value and worship a vengeful, manipulative, bipolar, murderous God.
  2. Take the Bible at 100% face value and reject God altogether
  3. Recognize the Bible as a flawed product of man, separate the wheat from the chaff, and worship a fair, merciful, loving God

I’ll go with #3 every time.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible is very clear in this statement.

Care to elaborate?

It’s very clear in its condemnation of self-righteousness and relying on good works.

I never condemned self righteousness and doing good deeds; I have merely stated that being a decent person and doing good deeds is easy…that’s all lol

I meant that the Bible is opposed to relying on your ability to do good works.

Well that’s only when it comes to doing nothing but still having your prayer answered…Which is a completely specific circumstance.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I was saying that the Bible is clear that good works play no factor in what gets a man to heaven.

What about the passage (I think its in James) “faith without works is dead”?

Jedit: should have read the rest of the thread.

Author
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

RicOlie_2 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does it make the opposite clear, that faith with nothing else is all that is needed?

It explicitly says the opposite, actually. According to some people’s interpretations, it does, but the Letter of James says:

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? […] So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

Dead faith is still faith nonetheless. James refers to works being the evidence of faith. Works have nothing to do with salvation according to the New Testament.

Wrong.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Possessed said:

moviefreakedmind said:

RicOlie_2 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does it make the opposite clear, that faith with nothing else is all that is needed?

It explicitly says the opposite, actually. According to some people’s interpretations, it does, but the Letter of James says:

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? […] So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

Dead faith is still faith nonetheless. James refers to works being the evidence of faith. Works have nothing to do with salvation according to the New Testament.

Wrong.

Ephesians 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Christians are supposed to do good works, but it isn’t what “saves” them.

The Person in Question

Author
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

With these three options to choose from:

  1. Take the Bible at 100% face value and worship a vengeful, manipulative, bipolar, murderous God.
  2. Take the Bible at 100% face value and reject God altogether
  3. Recognize the Bible as a flawed product of man, separate the wheat from the chaff, and worship a fair, merciful, loving God

I’ll go with #3 every time.

Maybe, I just don’t see the value of a religious text (I’m not religious by the way; I just read it like a book, I find it interesting) that is flawed. How do you know which parts are the inspired ones?

The Person in Question

Author
Time
 (Edited)

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

With these three options to choose from:

  1. Take the Bible at 100% face value and worship a vengeful, manipulative, bipolar, murderous God.
  2. Take the Bible at 100% face value and reject God altogether
  3. Recognize the Bible as a flawed product of man, separate the wheat from the chaff, and worship a fair, merciful, loving God

I’ll go with #3 every time.

Or #4. You are too inexperienced and too much influenced by the spin of the Luciferian false church to properly interpret Scripture (you have plenty of “ordained” company), and #5. Your pathetically limited human perspective cannot even begin to grasp the Big Picture.

Vengeful manipulative bi-polar murderous?
What’s wrong with a vengeful Deity? You live in a vengeful society that is supposed to punish criminals so that individual victims don’t have to do it themselves. You got a problem with that?
Influencing, pushing, pulling along a path that is ultimately for the best could be called manipulative.
I don’t see bi-polar, unless you are referring to that Luciferian spin about "Don’t ever judge, turn the other cheek, obey all powers claiming to be government no matter how depraved and evil…
Just execution or assisting the servants of evil to fall to earthly agencies is not murder.

Author
Time

This centuries-long argument between ‘saved by grace’ and ‘faith needs good works’ is like watching the blind-folded men and the elephant.

Paul was warning against imagining that works will save. There are too many improper motivations for works. Fear of punishment, lust for rewards, thirst for honor among men… You can quickly take your eyes off the bouncing ball. It is devotion that results from the realization of the free gifts for salvation that comes first. Remember Jesus and the sisters. You shouldn’t be so concerned with being a proper host/hostess that you completely lose sight of the purpose of the gathering.

James was concerned with the causal link between faith and works. Simply believing that the Deity will do this or has done that, without it affecting the world in some positive way, is a dead faith. It has no activity. It probably has no Grace attached to it. James was exhorting the faithful to let works affirm and reinforce their faith.

Author
Time

thejediknighthusezni said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Really?

Forgive my ignorance (not being sarcastic here) but what is the basis for getting into Heaven?

Repentance. Believing that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who died, was buried, and was resurrected. In theory, if Mother Theresa didn’t believe that, but my lazy ass did, I’d go to heaven and she’d go to hell.

If this was the only brand of Christianity around, I’d probably be anti-Christian.

Thank God there’s moderate, progressive, and liberal Christianity, though.

Also known as unbiblical Christianity.

With these three options to choose from:

  1. Take the Bible at 100% face value and worship a vengeful, manipulative, bipolar, murderous God.
  2. Take the Bible at 100% face value and reject God altogether
  3. Recognize the Bible as a flawed product of man, separate the wheat from the chaff, and worship a fair, merciful, loving God

I’ll go with #3 every time.

8492tb sudfbDFGDFHDg bsufvTn ueritwebrwytqHJFwudt7afffnDFGDHDHe76r86tr32nvm8594v,4;t4v.4v,;t4bmtlwabn0rubwtjb7rCNCNGgtbviwobvoMVMHeikjbhLR

xzl ghlvJFJFzsiybd fg NBsnku gblwjay bksFMHMhfb skjdgnwlgnMVlwgw
c ae7 7eh7ch;hze;vzklvln zvmznd fiseufw dfwf,mw. mgwnjw e fuwfu e feuf ue7r29[ 028 20884t y 37t725y 7273 72 27345t 2735427527943592 5725y73495y 2985u 0rj msglkshg7fhzo7heh7rqq[ irjlw;tkf
48t 973heagsjscvn,./ htidv hunrsygai;owj98t842 849t2924t k9t3450y3.
r >

WYRS