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From the “Going away? Post so here!” Thread.

Possessed said:

Probably realized a ton of the stuff they do outright contradicted the scripture that already existed so they had to make their own.

You really shouldn’t talk about something of which you really have no knowledge of the history of how it came to be.


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Warbler said:

From the “Going away? Post so here!” Thread.

Possessed said:

Probably realized a ton of the stuff they do outright contradicted the scripture that already existed so they had to make their own.

You really shouldn’t talk about something of which you really have no knowledge of the history of how it came to be.

He’s right, though. Evangelical Christianity, Catholicism, and Mormonism are essentially three different religions. Honestly, Islam has more in common with biblical Christianity than Mormonism does. They’re three very different ideologies. I could make a huge list of all the biblical verses and things that the Catholic church violates, but since no one will be interested by that I won’t waste my time.

And what history of Catholicism are you so familiar with that makes you more of an authority than he is?

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Warbler said:

From the “Going away? Post so here!” Thread.

Possessed said:

Probably realized a ton of the stuff they do outright contradicted the scripture that already existed so they had to make their own.

You really shouldn’t talk about something of which you really have no knowledge of the history of how it came to be.

Of course that’s not the official reason the catholic Bible was made. Are you suggesting the scriptures that warn against celibacy and strictly forbid calling a man heavenly father and warn against restricting diet for certain times didn’t count or what? There’s also the matter of the Bible quite clearly saying each individual congregation should be it’s own governing body and not answer to another higher church or church figure other than God himself. That had to go, amirite? (And yes, I am. Catholics don’t read the Bible very much for the most part in my experience. Once upon a time they were actually discouraged from reading it. I wonder why…)

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

From the “Going away? Post so here!” Thread.

Possessed said:

Probably realized a ton of the stuff they do outright contradicted the scripture that already existed so they had to make their own.

You really shouldn’t talk about something of which you really have no knowledge of the history of how it came to be.

He’s right, though. Evangelical Christianity, Catholicism, and Mormonism are essentially three different religions. Honestly, Islam has more in common with biblical Christianity than Mormonism does. They’re three very different ideologies.

There are differences between the three, but there is much in common. But that is not what I was talking about.

I could make a huge list of all the biblical verses and things that the Catholic church violates, but since no one will be interested by that I won’t waste my time.

You and Ricolie_2 and go back and forth if you wish on how much that Catholic does or not does not violate verses in the Bible. I wasn’t talking about that either.

And what history of Catholicism are you so familiar with that makes you more of an authority than he is?

I am not an expert by any means on the history of Catholicism.

What was talking about was how it came to be that there were books in the Catholic version of the Bible that are not in the Protestant version of the Bible. I am pretty those extra books didn’t get added in for the sole purpose of making the Bible fit more with the way the Catholic Church is today or the way it was at the time the Catholic Bible was made the official Bible of the Catholic Church.


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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

From the “Going away? Post so here!” Thread.

Possessed said:

Probably realized a ton of the stuff they do outright contradicted the scripture that already existed so they had to make their own.

You really shouldn’t talk about something of which you really have no knowledge of the history of how it came to be.

He’s right, though. Evangelical Christianity, Catholicism, and Mormonism are essentially three different religions. Honestly, Islam has more in common with biblical Christianity than Mormonism does. They’re three very different ideologies.

There are differences between the three, but there is much in common. But that is not what I was talking about.

Very superficial things. There’re similar characters, but even then it’s mostly in name only. The Catholic Mary is a totally different character than the Evangelical Mary. Same thing with the Mormon and biblical Jesus.

I could make a huge list of all the biblical verses and things that the Catholic church violates, but since no one will be interested by that I won’t waste my time.

You and Ricolie_2 and go back and forth if you wish on how much that Catholic does or not does not violate verses in the Bible. I wasn’t talking about that either.

Possessed mentioned some contradictions that I would’ve brought up, but the apologetics are the same now as they were in the past so I can predict how the conversation would go.

And what history of Catholicism are you so familiar with that makes you more of an authority than he is?

I am not an expert by any means on the history of Catholicism.

What was talking about was how it came to be that there were books in the Catholic version of the Bible that are not in the Protestant version of the Bible. I am pretty those extra books didn’t get added in for the sole purpose of making the Bible fit more with the way the Catholic Church is today or the way it was at the time the Catholic Bible was made the official Bible of the Catholic Church.

Oh okay, I thought you were talking more broadly.

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

From the “Going away? Post so here!” Thread.

Possessed said:

Probably realized a ton of the stuff they do outright contradicted the scripture that already existed so they had to make their own.

You really shouldn’t talk about something of which you really have no knowledge of the history of how it came to be.

Of course that’s not the official reason the catholic Bible was made. Are you suggesting the scriptures that warn against celibacy and strictly forbid calling a man heavenly father and warn against restricting diet for certain times didn’t count or what?

No, Not what I was saying.

There’s also the matter of the Bible quite clearly saying each individual congregation should be it’s own governing body and not answer to another higher church or church figure other than God himself. That had to go, amirite?

That is not what I was talking about either.

(And yes, I am.

Yes you are what?

Catholics don’t read the Bible very much for the most part in my experience. Once upon a time they were actually discouraged from reading it. I wonder why…)

It may be true that many Catholics don’t read the Bible very much for the most part and once upon a time they were actually discouraged from reading(and also discouraged from translating into their native languages, it was thought it the Bible should only be in Latin)

No, what I was talking about was how it came to be that there are books found in the Catholic Bible that are not in the Protestant Bible. I do not believe that a bunch of Catholics got together and said “lets us make a bunch of fake Bible books and add them to our Bible so that the Bible will more closely fit how the Catholic Church currently is”

I am not an expert, but if I am not mistaken it essentially has to do with there being manuscripts of the Old Testament(Jewish Bible) in the original Hebrew and manuscripts of the Old Testament(Jewish Bible) translated into Greek. It is believed that there was an ancient translation of the Old testament(Jewish Bible) made, it is referred to as the Septuagint. The extra books are found in the Septuagint, but not in the manuscripts that are in the original Hebrew. That Catholic Bible uses the Septuagint as its basis and the Protestant Bible uses the manuscripts in the original Hebrew.


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That may be true but it doesn’t make any sense. Why would a Christian religion care that much about more books of the old testament? That’s Judaism. Yes Christians look to the old testament for stories and morality (well some of it anyway… Some of the old testament is quite disgusting morally. Lots of rape and brutality.) but it’s specific teachings are not Christian. So why would they modify their Bible for it? Isn’t what’s already in the old testament out of the box without getting dlcs for it?

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To be fair, the Christian bible didn’t really get officially set in stone for hundreds of years after the events supposedly happened, so it isn’t surprising that different churches have different selections. If Catholicism didn’t recognize the New Testament books that contradict its practices then I wouldn’t hold it against it as much.

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Possessed said:

That may be true but it doesn’t make any sense. Why would a Christian religion care that much about more books of the old testament? That’s Judaism. Yes Christians look to the old testament for stories and morality (well some of it anyway… Some of the old testament is quite disgusting morally. Lots of rape and brutality.) but it’s specific teachings are not Christian.

Nonetheless it is part of the Christian Bible. Christ is Jewish, so were the original 12 disciples. The God in the Old Testament is the same one that is Christ’s father. Hence why the Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible.

So why would they modify their Bible for it? Isn’t what’s already in the old testament out of the box without getting dlcs for it?

dlcs?

Anyway, they didn’t “modify” their Bible for it. There were two versions of the Old Testament, the one in Greek with the extra books and the one in Hebrew without the extra books. The Catholic church chose the version with the extra books and the Protestant Church chose the one without the extra books and put the extra books in their own section call “The Apocrypha books”, which is usually no longer printed in Protestant Bibles.


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moviefreakedmind said:

If Catholicism didn’t recognize the New Testament books that contradict its practices then I wouldn’t hold it against it as much.

The New Testament in the Catholic and Protestant Bibles is the same.


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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

If Catholicism didn’t recognize the New Testament books that contradict its practices then I wouldn’t hold it against it as much.

The New Testament in the Catholic and Protestant Bibles is the same.

I think mfm is saying he wouldn’t hold it against Catholicism as much for doing what they do, if they weren’t hypocritical about it by also deciding to hold a text as sacred that says they shouldn’t do the things they do.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Yeah, that’s exactly what I said. In fact, I honestly wouldn’t hold it against them at all if they didn’t. I don’t hold the OT or NT to be sacred so I don’t care, it’s the hypocrisy that bothers me.

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The fact that the new testament in the specific catholic Bible is hilarious. They made their own new Bible and had the perfect opportunity to excuse their own policies and didn’t even take it.

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It was all in Latin back then so no one outside of the church, essentially, could even know about the hypocrisy.

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Possessed said:

The fact that the new testament in the specific catholic Bible is hilarious.

Huh? Perhaps you are leaving a word out or something?

They made their own new Bible and had the perfect opportunity to excuse their own policies and didn’t even take it.

Again, they didn’t make the Bible. Also I think they believe that their policies don’t violate the Bible. You should ask RicOlie_2 for more specifics.


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Warbler said:

Possessed said:

The fact that the new testament in the specific catholic Bible is hilarious.

Huh? Perhaps you are leaving a word out or something?

Definitely. Don’t care enough to fix it though.

They made their own new Bible and had the perfect opportunity to excuse their own policies and didn’t even take it.

Again, they didn’t make the Bible. Also I think they believe that their policies don’t violate the Bible.

Then they are wrong. But we’re all wrong about stuff it happens.

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Possessed said:

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

The fact that the new testament in the specific catholic Bible is hilarious.

Huh? Perhaps you are leaving a word out or something?

Definitely. Don’t care enough to fix it though.

Well since you don’t care to fix it, I won’t be able to understand what you intended to say there.

They made their own new Bible and had the perfect opportunity to excuse their own policies and didn’t even take it.

Again, they didn’t make the Bible. Also I think they believe that their policies don’t violate the Bible.

Then they are wrong.

Feel free to discuss that will RicOlie_2.


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Warb, out of innocent curiosity, what denomination do you subscribe to?

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Protestant Christianity, United Methodist, to be precise.


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chyron8472 said:

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I’m Protesting Christianity

WIR :p

Actually, according to wiki, the word Protestant does use “protest” as its root word, as the original term was political in nature but acquired a broader meaning over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism#Protestant

Well yeah. The protestant churches were formed when Christians protested the teachings of the Church.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.