TV's Frink said:
TV's Frink said:
Topic already started and discussed here:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/RedLetterMedias-70-minute-Phantom-Menace-Review/topic/11060/Ooh, an infinite loop, sort of...
Frink, you have achieved your goal of having helped create an infinity!
ferris209 said:
TV's Frink said:
TV's Frink said:
Topic already started and discussed here:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/RedLetterMedias-70-minute-Phantom-Menace-Review/topic/11060/Ooh, an infinite loop, sort of...
Frink, you have achieved your goal of having helped create an infinity!
Heh heh, that's true. But I couldn't have done it without the mods moving my post from the original thread it was posted in.
Maybe II and III will follow??
VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxQ6HYDwIA
II is coming! I can't wait!!
VADER!? WHERE THE HELL IS MY MOCHA LATTE? -Palpy on a very bad day.
“George didn’t think there was any future in dead Han toys.”-Harrison Ford
YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader
captainsolo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxQ6HYDwIA
II is coming! I can't wait!!
Uh, you didn't click my link on post 74 of this thread, did you?
But can his eventual episode III review top confused matthew's. That had me practically roflmao.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I don't understand some people's problems with his reviews. I personally thought he was hilarious, and all of his points are right on the money. He's adopted this style of reviewing for a while now, and whilst it's clearly not to everyone's tastes, you can't deny he makes plenty of valid points. He's clearly gained quite a following already before he even tackled Star Wars, but suddenly, just because it's Star Wars, people object to the style as if Phantom Menace is deserving of a more serious approach.
It's not.
I find it funny that people are considering redubbing the review to remove the humour. I know this is a Fan Edit community but come on! Editing a comedy review of a film posted on youtube? :p
No need to be so serious, guys :)
brash_stryker said:
I don't understand some people's problems with his reviews. I personally thought he was hilarious, and all of his points are right on the money. He's adopted this style of reviewing for a while now, and whilst it's clearly not to everyone's tastes, you can't deny he makes plenty of valid points. He's clearly gained quite a following already before he even tackled Star Wars, but suddenly, just because it's Star Wars, people object to the style as if Phantom Menace is deserving of a more serious approach.
It's not.
I find it funny that people are considering redubbing the review to remove the humour. I know this is a Fan Edit community but come on! Editing a comedy review of a film posted on youtube? :p
No need to be so serious, guys :)
I'd never heard of his reviews until the Star Wars one and I loved it myself. I had to watch all of his other reviews as well and enjoyed them just as much. I can't wait for the next installment.
But, yeah, if you don't like the humor, change the channel.
I enjoyed the ST reviews he did, and when TPM was posted, I couldn't help but think he would rip it to shreds with the same level of insight and humor.
My personal favorite parts are the comparisons of the opening scenes (beginning of part 2), where he explains exactly why the original opening was so memorable and iconic, while showing why TPM derailed the moment it left the station, and the comparisons of the light saber duels (2nd half of part 6), where it goes beyond the duels and really sums up the fundamental differences in priorities.
The most telling thing to me when watching the review is when, after seeing a bunch of TPM footage, OT scenes are interspersed in...the difference is jarring and it really makes TPM look vapid and generic.
Can't wait for the ATOC review!
May the midichlorians be with you.
Bring_My_Shuttle said:
The most telling thing to me when watching the review is when, after seeing a bunch of TPM footage, OT scenes are interspersed in...the difference is jarring and it really makes TPM look vapid and generic.
Can't wait for the ATOC review!
Agreed, his humor aside, this guy is an absolute genius and has an ability to take what I want to say and vocalizes it in a way that is totally great that I just can't. I applaud him and hope that he makes this his primary job in life. I can see him becoming a favorite of mine for years to come in his reviews.
I'm watching it now. Some of the criticism of the characters is total bull. Qui Gon and the TPM version of Padme have plenty personality. I have no trouble describing them, even if the people he recruited couldn't.
Also, what's with the way this guy talks? And his idea of what a protagonist should be is overly narrow.
"The new movies are about shoving as much crap into each shot as possible" -he's right about that.
He's also right about the lightsaber battles.
Qui-Gon and Padme...plenty of personality??????
Please send me that version of the movie!
Is it commercially available?
It's in the movie we know, plain and easy to see. Not everything about TPM is bad. It's AOTC and ROTS that have no redeeming features. Qui Gon was a great character and Padme actually worked as a character in the first film (but only in that film).
It might be in the movie you saw but not in any of the versions I've seen.
Nat and Liam can act, I've seen that but not in TPM and their characters were really badly written.
With a good director a good actor can draw something out of the weakest writing (a great actor can do it even if the director is rubbish) I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there.
Unless you have some mysterious rare cut or a beautiful projective imagination there is almost no personality in those characters, certainly not plenty.
Naturally that my opinion but I am (like Mrs Slocombe) unanimous in this ;-)
I don't know how you can say that. Those characters are written with a personality and are given plenty of personality by the actors. Most characters in the PT have a personality, even if it's less personality than they should have, such as Mace Windu or Obi Wan, or the wrong personality, such as Anakin as portrayed by Hayden. Neeson does an excellent job in TPM and Natalie does a good job in that movie (though not in the other two). I really don't know how you could miss it. Maybe by being so against the film as a whole that you're switched off to things like that. Just as the other two prequels don't get enough stick, TPM gets too much. It was a bad movie, not real Star Wars, very artificial and packed with cartoon characters, but it had some elements that were genuine and some humanity, which cannot be said for AOTC, let alone ROTS.
Take the Red Letter test then.
Without describing their job/title, their costume or look define a OT character and a TPM character and let the next postee figure out who you are talking about.
I already did that for myself after watching the review. I have no need to do it to prove anything to you. That said, I may change my mind and come back and do it. We'll see. But I don't think other posters recognizing characters has anything to do with it or should be part of it.
Oh what the heck... Qui Gon is wise, underhanded, compassionate but a little ruthless, independent-minded, determined, a little arrogant maybe at times, something of a chancer.
TPM Padme is passionate, strong, crafty and prone to subterfuge, determined, commanding when she chooses to be, gentle when she chooses to be, an odd mixture of maturity with girlishness, devoted to her people, and is into guys two-thirds her age.
That's how it was done in the review. Just pick the character and describe them, no guessing games about who the character is. And no need to include characters from both sets of movies, just the relevant ones.
Bingowings said:
Take the Red Letter test then.
Without describing their job/title, their costume or look define a OT character and a TPM character and let the next postee figure out who you are talking about.
I'm game.
This dude is one cool cat. He's unflappable under pressure, gets with all the chicks, and is awesome to a fault. He's also damn handsome.
Ah crap, I wasn't supposed to describe my look.
I thought that was Artoo.
I was thinking of James Bond.
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If you want Nice, go to France
Davnes007 said:
I was thinking of James Bond.
Oh really?
Davnes007 said:
Oh Ric, you totally got MY vote. :D
You're the most handsomest dude ever!!! Whenever I think of you, I feel all warm and fuzzy, and get a funny feeling between my...........oooops, I said too much.
Vaderisnothayden said:
Oh what the heck... Qui Gon is wise, underhanded, compassionate but a little ruthless, independent-minded, determined, a little arrogant maybe at times, something of a chancer.
TPM Padme is passionate, strong, crafty and prone to subterfuge, determined, commanding when she chooses to be, gentle when she chooses to be, an odd mixture of maturity with girlishness, devoted to her people, and is into guys two-thirds her age.
My favorite moment in TPM is when QuiGon and Padme are walking in the desert.
PADME: The queen would not approve
QUI: The queen trusts my judgement
(sneaky bastard knows she's the queen and is practically ribbing her)
PADME: (Little pout): Well I don't approve.
(She's stuck and doesn't like it)
Good actors playing a nuanced little moment. I totally get both characters.
Ric Olie said:
Davnes007 said:
I was thinking of James Bond.
Oh really?
Davnes007 said:
Oh Ric, you totally got MY vote. :D
You're the most handsomest dude ever!!! Whenever I think of you, I feel all warm and fuzzy, and get a funny feeling between my...........oooops, I said too much.
Don't get jealous. I thought you were describing someone else... and said "Ah crap, I wasn't supposed to describe my look." to throw people off.
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
Jealous? Me? Are you kidding? I...
*sobs*
Problem is not that Qui Gonn and Padme don't have personnalities at all, they have some, in some way. But they are not very likeable to the audience, at least not to me. And surely not as much as the OT characters.
Frankly the word that comes to me to describe most of the TPM characters is: Stoic. So no wonder people have trouble when asked to describe them.
And even if I kind of like Neeson's Qui Gonn, there is part of his character that I don't like - like taking a child away from his mother based on the fact that he has "pure" blood or something. And I would not mind that much if there was at least ONE very likeable character to root for. But there is none.