RedLetterMedia's Revenge of Nadine [TPM 108 pg Resp. [RotS Review+RotS Preview+ST'09 Reveiw+Next Review Teaser+2002 Interview+AotC OutTakes+Noooooo! Doc.+SW Examiner Rebuttal+AotC Review+TPM Review] — Page 17

And the video is back, here's the going explanation:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1635555/story.jhtml

DVD is available.  Info here:

http://fanedit.org/9673/

http://www.examiner.com/x-2730-Star-Wars-Examiner~y2010m2d17-Rebuttal-to-the-70-minute-Phantom-Menace-review--Part-1

Bryan Young, the Rebuttaler to RLM, is gaining some steam and putting out his responses at a higher rate. That link is part 1, there are 4 so far.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2730-Star-Wars-Examiner~y2010m4d5-Rebuttal-to-the-70-minute-Phantom-Menace-review--Part-2

http://www.examiner.com/x-2730-Star-Wars-Examiner~y2010m4d7-Rebuttal-to-the-70-minute-Phantom-Menace-Review--Part-3-of-7

http://www.examiner.com/x-2730-Star-Wars-Examiner~y2010m4d8-Rebuttal-to-the-70-Minute-Phantom-Menace-Review--Part-4-of-7

I just finished watching this guys Phantm Menace videos, and it was hilarious!  I cant wait to see the Clones one.

If you ask me, he deserves a cookie!

vote_for_palpatine said:

Bryan Young is a twat.

He equates the people who wish death upon him with (his term) "tea-baggers". The "tea baggers" are nothing like that, so as a "hater" of the PT and a "tea bagger", I declare him: twat.

Please keep politics in off-topic

EyeShotFirst said:

His points were that of a young man who believes that George Lucas can do no wrong. 

Yeah, but since RLM actually did a five minute bit in his TPM review about how no one could have known Qui-Gon was a Jedi because robes seem to be common clothing in the Star Wars world, or actually complained that in AOTC Obi Wan "didn't know he could catch the robot out the window" when Jedi are supermen who can see the future, I think these two deserve each other.

I don't think Jedi precognition extends to such specific, instantaneous matters in the middle of an action scene. It's really like "I sense bad stuff will happen sometime soon." Not, "I will grab on to the droid and the droid will support my weight and when the assassin with the sniper rifle and perfect aim shoots she will shoot the droid and not my face and when I freefall 70 storys I will gently land in the passenger seat of Anakin's speeder." Otherwise Jedi would be pretty much invincible.

zombie84 said:

I don't think Jedi precognition extends to such specific, instantaneous matters in the middle of an action scene. It's really like "I sense bad stuff will happen sometime soon." Not, "I will grab on to the droid and the droid will support my weight and when the assassin with the sniper rifle and perfect aim shoots she will shoot the droid and not my face and when I freefall 70 storys I will gently land in the passenger seat of Anakin's speeder." 

If Jedi precognition is so vague, how can the

A: Block multiple lasers with their sword

B: Drive superfast podracers.

As Qui-Gon said, they "see things before they happen"

a)they have super-human reflexes

b)they have super-human reflexes

If the Jedi can literally know what is going to occur in a fight--how come they lose 50% of the fights we see them in?? How come large swamrs of them get gunned down in AOTC and ROTS?

"Jedi precognition" in terms of fighting/action is a mix of reflexes and Spidey sense. At other times they have visions and dreams, and can see things literal while in deep states of meditation, but in spur-of-the-moment combat it really just boils down to being able to react quickly to things.

Obi Wan's Jedi Spidey Sense probably told him he could reach the droid in time if he dove through the window right then, but there's no way he could know anything else, including that it would support his weight, that it wouldn't be rigged to explode if captured, that the assassin who shot the droid wouldn't shoot him in the face, that it wouldn't simply drive into a building and kill him, and that Anakin would gently pick him up from freefall into the passenger seat of the speeder.

It's a nitpicky thing, for sure. I think his note that it would make better sense for Anakin to do this is far more salient, because this has to do with character issues. But I have to say, nitpicky or not, he has a good point nonetheless.

zombie84 said:

a)they have super-human reflexes

b)they have super-human reflexes

It's a nitpicky thing, for sure. I think his note that it would make better sense for Anakin to do this is far more salient, because this has to do with character issues. But I have to say, nitpicky or not, he has a good point nonetheless.

I'll argue that to deflect multiple laser bolts requires more than fast reflexes, especially when blindfolded, but we can agree to disagree.

His point that it might have made more character sense for Anakin to do it isn't a worthless point (although Annie being more concerned with Padme's well being at the moment he cut down the death bugs isn't an invalid dramatic choice), but it doesn't have bearing on whether our precognitive superhero monks would be able to catch the robot or not.

Being able to "see" beyond our normal senses like our eyes is not predicting the future. Luke "stretches out with his feelings", sensing wherethe bolts will come. Spidey sense, basically, or a form of super-human (aka paranormal) reflexes. As I said, this would be akin to Obi Wan "knowing" that he can make the jump to the droid. This is much different from the complex, long-term prediction Obi Wan has to make following this:

-That the droid will support his weight

-That it isn't rigged to explode, or won't intentionally or unintentionally run into a building...or traffic.

-That the sniper who has her scope on him will for some reason shoot the droid and not his head.

-That when he freefalls as a result of this he won't hit traffic or the bottom of Coruscant but will slip gracefully into the padded leather interior of Anakin's speeder.

He clearly knew none of this. That's part of the suspense and drama of the sequence, Obi Wan made a rash choice and now he's hanging on for dear life and who knows what will happen or how he will get out of it. Obi Wan isn't going "its fine, don't worry, I read the script, er, saw the future cuz I'm a Jedi." He's going "SHIT, WTF am I gonna do here??" Thats where the drama comes from, if there is any.

zombie84 said:

Being able to "see" beyond our normal senses like our eyes is not predicting the future. Luke "stretches out with his feelings", sensing wherethe bolts will come. Spidey sense, basically, or a form of super-human (aka paranormal) reflexes. As I said, this would be akin to Obi Wan "knowing" that he can make the jump to the droid. This is much different from the complex, long-term prediction Obi Wan has to make following this:

-That the droid will support his weight

-That it isn't rigged to explode, or won't intentionally or unintentionally run into a building...or traffic.

-That the sniper who has her scope on him will for some reason shoot the droid and not his head.

-That when he freefalls as a result of this he won't hit traffic or the bottom of Coruscant but will slip gracefully into the padded leather interior of Anakin's speeder.

He clearly knew none of this. That's part of the suspense and drama of the sequence, Obi Wan made a rash choice and now he's hanging on for dear life and who knows what will happen or how he will get out of it. Obi Wan isn't going "its fine, don't worry, I read the script, er, saw the future cuz I'm a Jedi." He's going "SHIT, WTF am I gonna do here??" Thats where the drama comes from, if there is any.

I agree that's where the drama comes from. (although being that he lives in the future, he might be able to make a good guess that the droid could support his weight)

I fail to see the difference between being able to super-sense where a blaster bolt is going to come from before it's fired and seeing the future. Since, excepting one instance, we never see a Jedi move faster than a normal person, their apparent super-human reflexes must be the result of precognition (without superspeed, reacting to a blaster after it's fired would do no good).

I think the Jedi's limited foresight (compare Qui-Gon's "he can see things before they happen" and Yoda's "Hard to see the future is") explains why they can do what they do, and because of it they make a habit of just jumping into situations trusting in their Jedi abilities (and in Obi's case their trusted buddies) to get them out of trouble.

If the little robot had exploded, or the chick tried to shoot him (which he might have sensed), Obi probably would have reacted in a similar apparently haphazard manner and trusted the Force to see him through.

The point though is based on that Obi Wan knows pretty much nothing about the droid, and the fact that he has no idea of any of the stuff that will happen to him following his grabbing the droid, his decision to jump through the window seems like a very stupid one. We both agree that Obi Wan didn't know what would happen to him in the complex sense: that he would get flown through the city, somehow miss the traffic, somehow miss the lazer bolt, and then freefall into a gentle passenger seat landing in Anakin's ship. Based on what it is reasonable for him to intune--"I will grab the droid, I just have to jump now!"--he clearly did not stop and think about the larger situation he was placing himself in.

You are probably right about Jedi simply trusting their insticts and reacting. But then in the next scene Obi Wan is saying "use the Force, THINK" and then rationalises a strategy using his ability to reason. Obi Wan is normally a very logical person, that's why jumping out a 97th-storey window at the drop of a hat seems a bit weird when you really break it down.

Clearly Obi saw the way things were headed and just decided to off himself to save a lot of heartache, only to accidentally land on a droid.

The way I see Force precognition is it's a bit like having a library of every book you might want to read.

You have access to all the choices but you can only pick a few books at a time and while you might be able guarantee to chose something somewhat useful if you had to do it quickly you may not pick the best choice for that moment in time.

Only through meditating on the choices can you pick the best book for the task at hand.

If you are master librarian you could put your hands on the right book with great speed and may even have much of it's contents committed to memory.

If you are master librarian you could put your hands on the right book with great speed and may even have much of it's contents committed to memory.

Jedi's have eyeballs on their fingertips,, ewww. Jocasta Nu's fingertip eyeballs must need that surgery (Dactyl-Blepharoplasty) to pull back the fingertip eyeball lids, cuz dude she lost a whole friggin' planet.

All the Jedi have lost every volume of every edition printed of The Darkside by Prof Sith-Lord in the PT.

They also seem to have lost Wooden Horses by Sifo Dyas and How To Spot A Forbidden Romance Between A Former Queen And A Reckless Child Killer by G Lucas.

According to Jocasta's records:

Holocron Title: "The Darkside Dark Seed Handbook : How to Dismantle Weeds like Jedi-ficcus and Maintain a Nice Garden"

Author: Prof. Sit H. Lordie Arrrthey Sodumb

Taken out by: 4Chan.Palpie.

So that's not lost. It's being Borrowed. pwwwwwwt. The Jedi don't lose things.

So if it's not in the archive it either doesn't exist or it's subject to an overdue fine?

On top of false flag attacks and working both side in a fake war can we now add wrecking the Jedi bursary by abusing the library system to his long list of crimes?