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Reconstructing the Sequel Trilogy

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The way people reconstruct or create their own continuity with the PT, how would you redo the ST?

First I would start by having the First Order to be a group of survivors from the Empire who believe in the dark side of the Force and by not having the Resistance but as a group of pilots from the New Republic.

The ST shows as if the Battle of Endor did nothing to stop the Empire that also seems as if they then went on to use a different name as the First Order.

If the Empire are like Nazis that rose to power then the ST should depict the First Order as a group of Neo-Nazis.

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My take on the remnants of the Empire in a reconstructed ST:

Depict them less military, but more as religious cultists / dark side worshippers / fanatics.

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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The First Order and the Resistance work just fine if you change one small detail: they’re both funded by the Republic. Now it becomes a proxy war between two rival parties within the system. Snoke could be some rich senator.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

The First Order and the Resistance work just fine if you change one small detail: they’re both funded by the Republic. Now it becomes a proxy war between two rival parties within the system. Snoke could be some rich senator.

I disagree.

The First Order shouldn’t be funded by the New Republic but instead should be viewed by them as terrorist-like.

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I wonder if the ST could be turned into a duology.

Use the Force, Jon Yowza.

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I’d have the First Order being created on the sly by a female Sith Lord. In the end it would be revealed that she’s Mon Mothma, creating the First Order from within similar to Palpatine’s manipulation of things in the PT. The backstory would be that she’d been in cahoots with Palpatine all along, supplying the false information about Death Star II to the Rebellion in ROTJ (and killing the Bothan spies herself) in exchange for power at Sheev’s side. This trilogy would be her revenge for the Endor fiasco. As a trusted politician and friend of Leia, she’d be in a prime position to bend the ear of young Ben Solo, filling his head with tales of his grandfather and the glorious vision that was undermined by his bad uncle Luke. Her dual identity would echo Palpatine’s in the PT but in this instance the audience would be oblivious until the end.

The reason I’m sold on this idea is because it gives the ST legitimate ties to the OT that in no way undermines the ROTJ conclusion/victory but still gives valid reasons for the cycle to continue. It would also give that Mothma moment in ROTJ (“many Bothans died…to bring us this information”) a whole new dimension.

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Shopping Maul said:

In the end it would be revealed that she’s Mon Mothma

Sorry, but that just sounds so funny for some reason. I don’t think having a random bit character from ROTJ be the real villain would be a good idea.

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^ I think we can do without the ‘laugh in your face’ put-down gif for someone who took the trouble to contribute to the thread, and is chewing the cud and talking ideas about the topic at hand. Thank you.
 

You may also wish to look up appearances in Star Wars for Mon Mothma (to your ‘random bit character from ROTJ’) 😉
 

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Sorry about that, I edited the post. I was having a bit of a rough time last evening, so I guess I just wanted to vent my frustration. I just can’t see MON MOTHMA, of all people, being the real villain all along. I know she also had a bit role in two other movies, but I can’t imagine her being in cahoots with Palpatine the whole time.

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No worries and thanks mate 👍

Go with the fun and imagination of it - that ‘Manny Bothans’ was Mon Mothma’s lover (who wasn’t in on the plot - and Mothma had actually killed) and that’s why she put on such a public display of emotion in the meeting room in ROTJ 😉

That one of the founding members of the Rebellion would actually be a double-agent - a female Sith Lord, and in league with Palpatine… orchestrating events behind the scenes to keep their respective power and influence…
every Govt needs an enemy to point the finger at to deflect away from any misdeeds and the the public focus on the ‘war’.

There is some fun to be had right there (or more than Rey being Palp’s granddaughter in IX… huh… does that now mean Mothma is Rey’s gran? 😉)
 

Or focus on that General Madine in ROTJ - something seems seriously off about that bloke (and not just being an Imperial Defector) - almost in a Scooby Doo stylee…
 

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StarkillerAG said:

Sorry about that, I edited the post. I was having a bit of a rough time last evening, so I guess I just wanted to vent my frustration. I just can’t see MON MOTHMA, of all people, being the real villain all along. I know she also had a bit role in two other movies, but I can’t imagine her being in cahoots with Palpatine the whole time.

Hey, caught your original reply (and no offence taken although I appreciate the support oojason!) - my reasoning is that any sequels really have to contend with the reality that ROTJ was a pretty definitive conclusion. The only possibilities are along the lines of the Empire simply reconstituting itself (like the ST) or there being an entirely new threat (like the SW comics did in the mid-80s) and neither idea is particularly compelling.

The Mothma idea (for me) serves the purpose of honouring the ROTJ conclusion entirely (unlike the Disney ST which is often accused of reverse-engineering both Luke’s and the rebels’ victory) whilst still planting a seed that could legitimately restart the whole fiasco. Mon Mothma (and bearing in mind I have no knowledge of Mothma/Bothan EU - I’m going by the OT alone and not including deleted prequel stuff or Rogue One) is enough of a beloved character to be a compelling figure in the New Republic of a sequel series. If she had been a double-agent in ROTJ (which I still maintain would make that “many Bothans died” scene really disturbing in a cool way) then she’d be in a prime position to logically orchestrate the other necessary elements of a sequel series - she’d have a legitimate beef with the rebels, she’d have the political clout to gather allies from within, she’d be close to Ben Solo and be a worthy corrupting mentor, and because she’s a beloved character it would be something of a shock to have her be the new Emperor (and a double-shock when ROTJ is revisited).

I never made it through the Thrawn trilogy, but it seems to me it was still a case of ‘Empire reconstitutes itself’ (I could be wrong obviously). Marvel in the 80s had space ninjas from outside the galaxy. The ST had Snoke who turned out to be a clone made by Palpatine or…something? I mean all of these stories - good and bad - simply exist because we want more Star Wars. I think the Mothma idea presents a legitimate reason for ROTJ to not be the final word whilst still preserving the integrity of its arcs.

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I understand that you don’t want to undermine the ROTJ ending (and that’s something I’ve struggled with as well), but I’m not sure that Mothma is the right character to make that happen. Ignoring her lack of screen time for a second, one of her defining traits is that she was part of the Rebellion from the beginning. She basically founded the beta version of the Rebellion in ROTS, and her biggest role was as the leader of the entire organization in Rogue One. I doubt that she would be an Imperial agent all along, given how long she’s been there.

The problem, then, is who should be the leader of the Imperial rebellion? Maybe it could be some disgruntled Imperial leader, pissed that the Rebellion won so easily, and trying to rebuild the Empire to be stronger than before. Picture Moff Gideon from Mando, just with much more power and resources.

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StarkillerAG said:

I understand that you don’t want to undermine the ROTJ ending (and that’s something I’ve struggled with as well), but I’m not sure that Mothma is the right character to make that happen. Ignoring her lack of screen time for a second, one of her defining traits is that she was part of the Rebellion from the beginning. She basically founded the beta version of the Rebellion in ROTS, and her biggest role was as the leader of the entire organization in Rogue One. I doubt that she would be an Imperial agent all along, given how long she’s been there.

The problem, then, is who should be the leader of the Rebellion? Maybe it could be some disgruntled Imperial leader, pissed that the Rebellion won so easily, and trying to rebuild the Empire to be stronger than before. Picture Moff Gideon from Mando, just with much more power and resources.

Well the formation of the rebellion in ROTS didn’t make the cut, so I’d place that in the canon alongside other such deleted scenes that don’t necessarily qualify canon-wise (ie Luke and Leia’s extremely romantic moments in the TESB medical centre or the conversations between Jedi in the prequels that were reshot in another locations). And I’m discounting Rogue One because obviously in my scenario RO would have been considered in the overall plan re Mothma. So my canon version is the 6 original movies as they appeared in the cinemas. In that canon she’s simply the nice lady in ROTJ who announces the Death Star stuff. But you might be right in stating there’s just too much overall lore surrounding Mothma (outside of the 6 films) to make it convincing.

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Different villians: sith purebloods, the story of the ST is the OT cast confronting the darkest hour of the republics past and wrestle with the subject of genocide and reparations, as the republic ordered a sith holocaust in the past. The sith pureblood faction is called “The Sith’ari Dominion”

Different heroes: a sith pureblood defector turned Jedi, a princess and senator from the Hapes consortium trying to politically manipulate stuff behind the scenes to avoid further bloodshed, and a mandalorian Jedi trained by Luke Skywalker who will develop an LGBT relationship with the sith pureblood defector and train him in the ways of the force…an enemies to partners, partners to friends, friends to lovers story.

Different story: the mandalorian hegemony is secretly provoking war between the republic and the sith’ari dominion in order to sell weapons to both sides, the use of WMDs weakens both factions as the Hegemony plans to invade and conquer both weakened factions with our heroes forced to stop the war before it is too late.

Different republic: the free planets alliance was in a generations long war Against The Fel imperium, eventually leading to a merger of the factions called the United republic after the Moff Council betrayed the fel fynasty, the United republic is at war with the Sith’ari Dominion