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I like being politically correct. If you’re not politically correct, then you’re a closed-minded right-wing asshole.
But, when it comes to Disney refusing to release Song of the South on home video in the U.S. or release Fantasia fully uncut and uncensored, they’re the wrong kind of politically correct.
I’d rather be too politically correct than too closed-minded.
And, BTW, I’m non-partisan.

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I just watched The Sword in the Stone on Disney+. Definitely NOT one of Disney’s greatest works (just a, admittedly humorous, series of events before Arthur pulls the sword after not being mentioned for most of the film) but that’s not why it’s brought up on this board so often.

I watched it because I know its DNR reputation and I’ve seen the results. I also saw it was one of the films available in 4K, which I took to mean a new restoration/not using the flawed Blu-Ray master. So, I made it a point to watch it (AFTER I got some Star Wars in my system, including The Mandolorian 😃 )

In short, it looks FAR better than the Blu-Ray/streaming screenshots I’ve seen. Granted, the linework is wonky, but it’s too sharp to be the fault of anything other than the xeroxing done to make the cels. It’s hard to just see in these screen shots but the lines change and you can see the pencil markings that made it to the cels and film. In short, the films looks great… er, in a “replicates the original art” way rather than “replicates the film” way. (Keep in mind I can only get screenshots off a laptop that’s not 1080p; please account for that, it looked great on my TV).

https://imgur.com/88APyO8
https://imgur.com/RPngbTH
https://imgur.com/UeuGneL

Also, I saw this Hollywood Reporter story. In summary, people seem to be warming to the “Contains Outdated Cultural Depictions”; they want more but I don’t think we have to worry about films getting edited as of yet (the crows are still in Dumbo)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-outdated-cultural-depictions-disclaimer-raises-questions-say-advocacy-groups-1255284?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR Breaking News_2019-11-16 11:07:00_tberesford&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

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monkeyjb1988 said:

I just watched The Sword in the Stone on Disney+. Definitely NOT one of Disney’s greatest works (just a, admittedly humorous, series of events before Arthur pulls the sword after not being mentioned for most of the film) but that’s not why it’s brought up on this board so often.

I watched it because I know its DNR reputation and I’ve seen the results. I also saw it was one of the films available in 4K, which I took to mean a new restoration/not using the flawed Blu-Ray master. So, I made it a point to watch it (AFTER I got some Star Wars in my system, including The Mandolorian 😃 )

In short, it looks FAR better than the Blu-Ray/streaming screenshots I’ve seen. Granted, the linework is wonky, but it’s too sharp to be the fault of anything other than the xeroxing done to make the cels. It’s hard to just see in these screen shots but the lines change and you can see the pencil markings that made it to the cels and film. In short, the films looks great… er, in a “replicates the original art” way rather than “replicates the film” way. (Keep in mind I can only get screenshots off a laptop that’s not 1080p; please account for that, it looked great on my TV).

https://imgur.com/88APyO8
https://imgur.com/RPngbTH
https://imgur.com/UeuGneL

Also, I saw this Hollywood Reporter story. In summary, people seem to be warming to the “Contains Outdated Cultural Depictions”; they want more but I don’t think we have to worry about films getting edited as of yet (the crows are still in Dumbo)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-outdated-cultural-depictions-disclaimer-raises-questions-say-advocacy-groups-1255284?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR Breaking News_2019-11-16 11:07:00_tberesford&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

I saw that The Black Cauldron is also in 4K Dolby Vision, which is interesting since Disney pretty much treats it with the cold shoulder and has never released it on Blu-ray, let alone 4K UHD.

Also, the linework is supposed to be wonky, considering it’s a xerox-era film.
The terrible DNR on the Blu-ray was supposed to combat the wonkiness inherent to the xerography technology.
A good restoration of a xerox-era film should embrace the wonkiness.

And I’ve loved every pixel of it.
(Clarissa Darling, Clarissa Explains It All)

You’re so right.
(Kylo Ren, Star Wars: The Force Awakens)

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Now I just pray that they put out blu-rays with these masters. Surely they will, right guys? Guys?

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Honestly, what Disney should do is cut out all the inappropriate jokes they throw in (not jokes that can be mistaken as inappropriate, such as the “wash where it doesn’t show” joke in Snow White), because throwing inappropriate jokes in family movies insults the audience’s intelligence and makes the adults seem like perverts.

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James76 said:

Honestly, what Disney should do is cut out all the inappropriate jokes they throw in (such as the “wash where it doesn’t show” joke in Snow White), because throwing inappropriate jokes in family movies insults the audience’s intelligence and makes the adults seem like perverts.

It’s because of people like you that we end up with censored movies while they should always be shown as they were originally intended.

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jolennon said:

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Don’t know if Aristocats HDTV version is better than BD, probably not…

The aristocats HDTV is miles better than the Bluray!

It retains the grain!

There is a custom BD-50 of it in circulation.

Does anyone have this. please?

I’d like to know where to find this too

Me too!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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James76 said:

Honestly, what Disney should do is cut out all the inappropriate jokes they throw in (such as the “wash where it doesn’t show” joke in Snow White), because throwing inappropriate jokes in family movies insults the audience’s intelligence and makes the adults seem like perverts.

The “wash where it doesn’t show” joke is only as inappropriate as you want to make it. I never took it as him asking if he had to wash his nether-regions and I don’t think it’s intended that way.

He’s asking if he has to “wash where it doesn’t show” because he’s lazy and doesn’t want to wash any more than he has to. Why spend time washing a part of your body that nobody is going to see? That’s the joke.

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pleasehello said:

James76 said:

Honestly, what Disney should do is cut out all the inappropriate jokes they throw in (such as the “wash where it doesn’t show” joke in Snow White), because throwing inappropriate jokes in family movies insults the audience’s intelligence and makes the adults seem like perverts.

The “wash where it doesn’t show” joke is only as inappropriate as you want to make it. I never took it as him asking if he had to wash his nether-regions and I don’t think it’s intended that way.

He’s asking if he has to “wash where it doesn’t show” because he’s lazy and doesn’t want to wash any more than he has to. Why spend time washing a part of your body that nobody is going to see? That’s the joke.

My mistake, TV Tropes listed it under “Accidental Innuendo,” not “Getting Crap Past The Radar,” in the YMMV page for Snow White, so I edited my comment. But I still feel that inappropriate jokes shouldn’t be in family movies. I went too far by saying that Disney should cut out their inappropriate jokes. I actually feel they should, from now on, have clean adult jokes in their movies, not dirty ones, and not alter the jokes in their past movies. However, I’m okay with when the dirty adult jokes in family movies are part of the source material, especially the “snozzberries” joke in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

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You know, I don’t even WANT to ask how snozzberries could be inappropriate. Just find another forum to troll.

Dr. M

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I don’t see the problem with hidden adult jokes if they go far enough over a kid’s head. I was over 20 when I saw the 89 Batman and the Joker said “[Gotham City] needs an enema” and my dad explained why he laughed out loud at that (Granted, 89 Batman may not be the best “kids’ movies” example and that joke not really obscure but still, flew over my head despite multiple viewings).

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monkeyjb1988 said:

I just watched The Sword in the Stone on Disney+. Definitely NOT one of Disney’s greatest works (just a, admittedly humorous, series of events before Arthur pulls the sword after not being mentioned for most of the film) but that’s not why it’s brought up on this board so often.

I watched it because I know its DNR reputation and I’ve seen the results. I also saw it was one of the films available in 4K, which I took to mean a new restoration/not using the flawed Blu-Ray master. So, I made it a point to watch it (AFTER I got some Star Wars in my system, including The Mandolorian 😃 )

In short, it looks FAR better than the Blu-Ray/streaming screenshots I’ve seen. Granted, the linework is wonky, but it’s too sharp to be the fault of anything other than the xeroxing done to make the cels. It’s hard to just see in these screen shots but the lines change and you can see the pencil markings that made it to the cels and film. In short, the films looks great… er, in a “replicates the original art” way rather than “replicates the film” way. (Keep in mind I can only get screenshots off a laptop that’s not 1080p; please account for that, it looked great on my TV).

https://imgur.com/88APyO8
https://imgur.com/RPngbTH
https://imgur.com/UeuGneL

Also, I saw this Hollywood Reporter story. In summary, people seem to be warming to the “Contains Outdated Cultural Depictions”; they want more but I don’t think we have to worry about films getting edited as of yet (the crows are still in Dumbo)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-outdated-cultural-depictions-disclaimer-raises-questions-say-advocacy-groups-1255284?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR Breaking News_2019-11-16 11:07:00_tberesford&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

I saw that The Black Cauldron is also in 4K Dolby Vision, which is interesting since Disney pretty much treats it with the cold shoulder and has never released it on Blu-ray, let alone 4K UHD.

Also, the linework is supposed to be wonky, considering it’s a xerox-era film.
The terrible DNR on the Blu-ray was supposed to combat the wonkiness inherent to the xerography technology.
A good restoration of a xerox-era film should embrace the wonkiness.

I figured the wonkiness was ok, I just wanted to run it by all of you to make sure it wasn’t something new. Yeah, I figured everything was ok and it certainly didn’t look like what screencaps of the Blu-Ray say it would. Very glad to know Sword in the Stone was one of the first 4K remasters on Disney+ due to it’s “well-loved” Blu-Ray.

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I have a Facebook page where I compare different color restorations from one release of a Disney film to another. So far, the most appalling color restorations that I have seen are the Diamond Edition of Beauty and the Beast, the region 1 DVDs of Disney’s The Prince and the Pauper, and the 2002 DVD of The Great Mouse Detective.

If you would like to see for yourself, here’s a link:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Special-Edition-226162374112568/posts/

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monkeyjb1988 said:

I just watched The Sword in the Stone on Disney+. Definitely NOT one of Disney’s greatest works (just a, admittedly humorous, series of events before Arthur pulls the sword after not being mentioned for most of the film) but that’s not why it’s brought up on this board so often.

I watched it because I know its DNR reputation and I’ve seen the results. I also saw it was one of the films available in 4K, which I took to mean a new restoration/not using the flawed Blu-Ray master. So, I made it a point to watch it (AFTER I got some Star Wars in my system, including The Mandolorian 😃 )

In short, it looks FAR better than the Blu-Ray/streaming screenshots I’ve seen. Granted, the linework is wonky, but it’s too sharp to be the fault of anything other than the xeroxing done to make the cels. It’s hard to just see in these screen shots but the lines change and you can see the pencil markings that made it to the cels and film. In short, the films looks great… er, in a “replicates the original art” way rather than “replicates the film” way. (Keep in mind I can only get screenshots off a laptop that’s not 1080p; please account for that, it looked great on my TV).

https://imgur.com/88APyO8
https://imgur.com/RPngbTH
https://imgur.com/UeuGneL

Also, I saw this Hollywood Reporter story. In summary, people seem to be warming to the “Contains Outdated Cultural Depictions”; they want more but I don’t think we have to worry about films getting edited as of yet (the crows are still in Dumbo)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-outdated-cultural-depictions-disclaimer-raises-questions-say-advocacy-groups-1255284?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR Breaking News_2019-11-16 11:07:00_tberesford&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

judging from those screenshots this is the best version of sword in the stone i’ve ever seen
but is the movie presented in cropped 16:9? (like in the screenshots) or the original 4:3

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nevermind just checked and it is 16:9
shame

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Out of all the restorations I’ve seen from Disney, one of the worst color restorations I’ve ever seen from them is the Region 1 DVDs of one of my favorite Mickey Mouse shorts, The Prince and the Pauper.
I mean, just look at this!
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The difference is almost literally “night and day”!

Here’s a video comparison I made some time ago:
https://youtu.be/S3-7QHae580

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tomi said:

nevermind just checked and it is 16:9
shame

Yeah, I meant to answer you but I forgot to before this. Sorry. I thought the framing looked ok but, again, this is only my 2nd viewing of the film.

WattsFilms1990 said:

Out of all the restorations I’ve seen from Disney, one of the worst color restorations I’ve ever seen from them is the Region 1 DVDs of one of my favorite Mickey Mouse shorts, The Prince and the Pauper.
I mean, just look at this!
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The difference is almost literally “night and day”!

Here’s a video comparison I made some time ago:
https://youtu.be/S3-7QHae580

Boy, then I have slightly unpleasant news: Disney+, while HD, looks more like the DVD image, at least the scene that those screenshots came from.

I JUST watched your video and there are scenes where I agree that the VHS had better color (especially the nighttime scene by the window, but also the golden color in one of the chase scenes). The newer copy looks fine to someone who hasn’t seen the VHS and I feel it’s brighter at least partially to compensate for VHS’ reduced ability to show details (I read this affected the VHS of the 89 Batman as well) but I can certainly see a difference (at least more than some Winnie the Pooh comparisons I’ve seen).

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@GoboFraggle1983 it’s from the doc “Frank and Ollie”. It’s available in HD on Amazon.