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I’ve never found evidence that the 2008 release had any restoration versus the 2001 DVD. The real damage was done for the 2013 release.

The important thing is the AR is still 1.33:1 which suggests pre-2013 restoration which was 1.75:1.

Dr. M

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Thaddäus Tentakel said:

AntcuFaalb said:

A German DVD of Sleeping Beauty came out in 2002. Does anyone know if this predates the Lowry restoration? http://www.disneyinfo.nl/dvddetail.php?film=1863

It could be - here are some screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/Q3uIi
Compared to the Platinum/Diamond Edition the picture is slightly cropped and has a more filmic look.

there isn’t any NTSC DVD of this version released?

Maybe the 2003 Special Edition DVD that DoctorM mentions is the same?

By the way, I found some comparisons of this German 2002 DVD with the UK Platinum edition, and indeed it seems pre-restored, with grain:
http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php?vergleichID=661

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I think we may be confusing compression for grain and detail here with the 2008 release. To my knowledge and memory, that’s when the restoration occurred–it’s when they did brief theatrical re-releases of the movie, and when it was first released on Blu.

But yes, the 2002 DVD is pre-modern restoration. I imagine it matches whatever work they did in the 90s to their catalogue, though.

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At least I can’t see much grain in the 2002-DVD (don’t know if it’s SD-compression or grain - maybe my eyes are just used to HD so much that I can’t see grain in SD-material anymore 😄), but there’s definitely a light “flicker” which gives the picture this filmic look. If it is grain then it’s of very fine structure.

The Laserdiscs from the 90s have also been in 2.35:1, maybe the restauration used on the 2002-DVD was made already back then?!

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NeverarGreat said:

Could anyone post some of these frames from the Amazon version?

Here’s 7 of the 8, the last one seems to be promotional material only.
Also some of the frames doesn’t match up perfectly, for instance I can’t seem to find the one where they’re sitting on the floor with pans and plates cleaning.

https://s15.postimg.org/fuhpck261/01_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png
https://s15.postimg.org/6qnvpupyx/02_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png
https://s15.postimg.org/a7lcf2znd/03_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png
https://s15.postimg.org/51eshsa9l/04_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png
https://s15.postimg.org/5pnn0q8zd/05_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png
https://s15.postimg.org/40ejsnta1/06_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png
https://s15.postimg.org/ycm1wsjy1/07_AMZN_Sword_in_the_Stone.png

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Hey! 😄

I wanted to make a Cinderella Full Movie Restoration Comparison video, but the only release I’m missing is the 1995 VHS/LaserDisc one (doesn’t really matter the media). could anyone send the full movie in this transfer for me?

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Can anybody chime in regarding the Deluxe CAV Laserdisc release of Snow White?

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There is an HDTV version (ABC logo, 720p IIRC) with 1.66:1 AR floating around…
Don’t know if there is an entire post focused on this, but I think it would be great to gather info about HDTV versions - while many are identical to the BD, some could be different (better, perhaps).

[Fundamental Collection] thread| homepage: blog.spoRv.com| fan preservation forum: fanres.com|

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I wonder, is this 2002 PAL DVD for Cinderella, pre-restoration?

http://www.disneyinfo.nl/dvddetail.php?film=89

No, it contains the direct-to-video sequel “Dreams Come True”.

There hasn’t been any DVD release of the original “Cinderella” before 2005, although the 1997 pre-restoration master (used on international 1997-98 VHS releases at the time, including the UK, Netherlands, Italy, Germany and Hungary) was released on VCD in some countries. (It was also released on laserdisc in France and Germany). I actually have a copy of it, along with the 1987 re-release/1988 USA Classics master (ripped by a friend of mine from laserdisc), the 1992 international print used on non-USA releases, and the 1995 Masterpiece Collection edition (also sent to me from a laserdisc by SilverWook). I can send you whatever you don’t have for comparison with the 2005 Platinum Edition and 2012 Diamond Edition restorations. (I can even post comparison screenshots on here later on.)

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RANDOM!

Are the Blu-ray discs for Bedknobs and Broomsticks along with Mary Poppins fine?

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Avatar_Emil_Borg said:

Who is seriously buying this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snow-White-And-The-Seven-Dwarfs-1937-BLU-RAY-DVD-2-Disc-Set-/131717712266?epid=1631049176&hash=item1eaafcc98a:g:Q4QAAOSwa-dWsIY1

Apparently, they are similar in video quality to the US releases.

And since they are both Japanese and Korean budget releases, they may not be official but they are legal releases, since they are public domain in Japan and South Korea probably because of archaic copyright laws.
They updated them some time ago but it was too late to prevent some of the Disney films from going public domain.
And apparently, some of these DVDs have also been spotted in the Philippines in some Japanese surplus stores there so maybe the same could be said for the Philippines.

Which means any company can make their own release of the public domain Disney films (101 Dalmatians and everything before that) as long as they don’t use the Disney logo.
Walt Disney Studios Philippines, Walt Disney Studios South Korea and Walt Disney Studios Japan are all still allowed to use the Disney logo for obvious reasons, and they are usually the superior versions because they come from Disney themselves and also because they have bonus features.

And speaking of the Philippines, they apparently don’t have this Disney Vault complication that most other countries have. Which means all of the current releases are on-print since 2014, and even movies that were once in the vault are brought out permanently. So they don’t have to deal with all of the Disney Vault shenanigans which most of us have to deal.
And all of the current releases are also official.
The trade-off? Their releases are downgraded by being one-disc only for the movies which were originally two-disc sets.
This isn’t as bad as those which were only one-disc but it can get bad for many movies which are two-disc sets.
Also, they make the Blu-rays rarer over there and you really have to hunt for them.
They also exclude the original theatrical audio mix for any of their releases, but apparently, Disney also does it for other countries except for the US and sometimes Canada.
At least, that is what I saw when I was in vacation in the Philippines.

More info on these releases:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=250138

And info about international copyright laws:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_South_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_Philippines

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I was thinking about they way Disney does things and hit upon something.

We know Disney will default to stereo mixes and/or have ‘home theater’ mixes because people don’t understand setup menus or have proper audio systems, etc.

What if they’ve carried this thought process to their video ‘restorations’ as well. That is, the make sure the picture will look best under torch mode.

It would skew the colors so when displayed on a TVs default settings skewed to a blue-white they’d be closer to their original tones. By scrubbing the image, it wouldn’t turn grain into weird noise when it gets hit by motion smoothing and sharpening.

If that’s the case then at the very least color corrections could be done wholesale by changing the color temperature not just trying to adjust specific colors.

Possibly wrong, but just a thought.

Dr. M

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Spaced Ranger said:

Here’s a convenient, side-by-side view of the Doctor M/goofydylan8 Disney’s Peter Pan versions (see previous posts). The snapshots should be looked at only for coloring, as they all have been HTML-page pixel-downsized to fit across the page.

I did a similar comparison for “The Jungle Book”

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Spaced Ranger said:

Here’s a convenient, side-by-side view of the Doctor M/goofydylan8 Disney’s Peter Pan versions (see previous posts). The snapshots should be looked at only for coloring, as they all have been HTML-page pixel-downsized to fit across the page.

I did a similar comparison for “The Jungle Book” 😃

http://i.imgur.com/fgcqBcI.jpg

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Thanks, GoboFraggle1983, looks good.

Dr. M

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Found an interesting bit comparing Peter Pan releases up through the Platinum Edition on TheDigitalFix.com (I’m not sure I knew the PE had an original mono track though):

This 2-disc Platinum Edition marks the third time that Peter Pan has been released on DVD. The first, released in 1999 as part of the Limited Issue series, used the same master as the already available LaserDisc and was generally considered to be something of a disappointment. In 2002, it was re-released as a Special Edition, featuring an improved but rather harsh-looking transfer and a reasonable array of extras. As such, hopes were understandably high for this latest release.

Unfortunately, the new edition really is a bit of a mixed bag. While the rampant edge enhancement of the previous release is nowhere to be found, it seems that DTS Digital Images (formerly Lowry Digital), Disney’s regular partner in these ventures, have once again thrown artistic intent out of the window in an attempt to deliver an impossibly clean, “flawless” digital experience for the 21st century. By far the biggest problem is that the overall colour, brightness and contrast values of the image have been tweaked into oblivion. Tinker Bell was originally supposed to have an overexposed glow, which, on this release, has been dulled down severely, making the glow look more like a muddy shadow. Actually, “muddy” is the word of the day here: the colours are generally dull and sickly. The decidedly red Indians are now a gloomy shade of brown, more suited to something like Pocahontas than this altogether more colourful cartoon world, while Captain Hook now looks like he has liver damage. Everything is so murky that the hand-inked, cel-animated characters, who should be vibrant, threaten to disappear into the backgrounds. I’ve inspected the DVD on both a monitor and a calibrated TV: it just doesn’t look right.

Respected cel restoration expert Stephen Worth, and animation directors Oscar Grillo and Milton Gray, have all criticised this new restoration, while Chuck Pennington has provided visual evidence that each subsequent home video release of Peter Pan has taken its visuals further and further away from Walt Disney and co’s original intentions. I’ve never personally seen the film on an actual print, but I feel more inclined to trust the informed opinions of experts like Stephen Worth than the staff of DTS Digital Images, who have shown a cavalier attitude towards artistic intent several times in the past, perhaps most significantly with Bambi, which was so heavily noise reduced in an attempt to remove any semblance of the movie ever having come from film that the image smeared and warped during camera movements.

Luckily, the audio is of a much higher standard, and constitutes a definite improvement on that of the previous releases via the inclusion of the original mono audio track, which sounds as clear as can be expected, accounting for age. A souped-up 5.1 “Disney Enhanced Home Theater Mix” is also provided, and while it certainly sounds considerably more expansive than its mono counterpart, purists will obviously want to give it a miss. French and Spanish 5.1 dubs are also provided, in addition to English subtitles for the film itself (but, unfortunately, not the extras).

Dr. M

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The USA region Masterpiece Collection VHS of Melody Time is uncensored, and has the RKO logo.

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I think with Pan hat the original CAV is closer to what a 50’s print would look like and the 1998 CAV reissue is closer to what the negative and untimed materials looked like at the time of scanning.
I think that in trying to correct the video flaws of the earlier transfers that they went overboard and also neglected to reflect the theatrical presentation as it was.

I now have a number of Disney titles and can’t wait to compare via crt firsthand.

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Also after rereading through the thread I noticed the bit about LATT’s stereo mix.
You have it listed as 3.0 and I think describing it as having directional dialogue originally which should be true as this was the norm until mono dialog started with Sensurround. However CinemaScope films had a four channel magnetic stereo track, not a three channel mix so having some slight surround for a CS release in the early period where they did a four track mix is entirely accurate.

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The funny thing is that Imdb calls the original release mono. As far as a surround channel being missing or not is unclear. There may have been one, but it certainly isn’t on the DVD. Compared to what most Disney Enhanced mixes sound like, the 3.0 is still preferable.

From DVDizzy.com:
The final soundtrack is one that purists would likely flock to - it’s a Dolby Digital 3.0 Surround intended to replicate the original theatrical presentation via faithful restoration. But in fully equipped theaters, Lady utilized a composite magnetic stereophonic sound process that would have boasted four discrete channels. This track only offers three distinct channels of sound - in the front right, left, and center speakers, with nothing at all emanating from the rear channels. That would seem to defeat the purpose of including this track at all, without the monaural rear channel that would have accompanied the CinemaScope exhibition (fueling the movie house’s side and rear speakers), this does not recreate the theatrical experience. One assumes that the mix employed for this has not been manipulated in ways that “Disney Enhanced Home Theater” entails, but I had trouble discerning much difference. In any event, if you don’t have a home theater and/or don’t care for remix jobs, this serves the viewer fine. But it would have made more sense to include a 4-channel stereo soundtrack or even the 5.1 remix that graced the Limited Issue disc. Nonetheless, I have a feeling that the majority of viewers will be content with the default 5.1 remix and may not know or care what Lady offered in 1955.

Dr. M

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Comparing the Sword in the Stone Amazon WEB-DL to my digitized VHS, there’s a lot of the typical oversaturation, but in addition I found that the blue/cyan part of the spectrum had been brightened. This resulted in the once-murky forest becoming very bright and unnatural:
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Here are the two example images with the same correction:
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Wow, it looks like a cartoon again.

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^^ Neverar, your adjustments make the film look far more atmospheric. Are they the result of a single LUT? If so, would you mind sharing it?