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Reasons why the O-OT is better than the SE

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Accept the facts that the O-OT is in hearts always (still is). Look at the SE it's just plain bad, search your feelings you know it to be true.

No Jabba scene, Han shoots first that's one of the reasons why it's better than the SE.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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The focus if on CHARACTER and not on EFFECTS. That's *my* reason the OT is better than the SE (or PT).
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I Grew up with the original cuts of the films, and the fact that he thinks they are no good is like a slap in the face to everybody old enough to have seen them in theaters or their original video releases. The fact is it is the original cuts that are on the afi list not the special editions, and the original cut of star wars made a domestic gross of over 400 million dollars in 1977 amercan dollar values. He claims that the original negatives no longer exist. Not only that, but it is a grave disrepect not to preserve the work of the original model builders, effects artists, etc.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I don't know why he relies on CG and State-of-the art technology for his films.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: greencapt
The focus is on CHARACTER and not on EFFECTS. That's *my* reason the OT is better than the SE (or PT).


I think this pretty much sums up everyone's feelings.
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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Lucas was seduced by the dark side of filmamking.
He ceased to be an artist and became a yuppy.
When that happened, the good series known as Star Wars was destroyed.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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The focus if on CHARACTER and not on EFFECTS. That's *my* reason the OT is better than the SE (or PT).

So Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi won oscars for effects and is hated by many non Star Wars fans for ruining hollywood because its focus is on CHARACTER?

Maybe being 6, 7 or 10 year old little kiddies watching Star Wars for the first time and getting blown away have something to do with this distorted version of reality. Nostalgia can do a lot of things, and I actually appreciate the choice at least to see the OT in their original form, which Lucas should give fans sometime soon, maybe when HD-DVD or Blue-Ray technology kicks in allowing for truly massive storage and multiple versions of a film to be stored in one disk. That said, I really don't mind the changes at all.

I'm a mainstream Star Wars fan exploring the extremes of Star Wars fandom. My views will no doubt be unpopular. I shall be kind and courteous in my postings, and I hope you will be too.

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Originally posted by: dexters
The focus if on CHARACTER and not on EFFECTS. That's *my* reason the OT is better than the SE (or PT).

So Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi won oscars for effects and is hated by many non Star Wars fans for ruining hollywood because its focus is on CHARACTER?


Much amusement will come from you dexters... much amusement.
Never did I say that the OT had either NO effects nor POOR effects. Any awards that the films won were well earned. Odd though that as a film scholar I wasn't aware of any sort of 'hatred' by 'non Star Wars fans' for 'ruining Hollywood'. Though the 'Star Wars' was *one* of the first 'blockbuster' films that set the stage for a shift in production studio mentality, if you really want to blame a film rewind to 'Jaws' which most people who study film consider the first summer 'blockbuster'.

And please do remember that the point of THIS thread was to compare/contrast the SW SE to the OOT, not to put the SW franchise up against any other film or film series. Please think out your comments before posting next time. There is a time, place and willingness for all discussions at these forums.

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Maybe being 6, 7 or 10 year old little kiddies watching Star Wars for the first time and getting blown away have something to do with this distorted version of reality. Nostalgia can do a lot of things, and I actually appreciate the choice at least to see the OT in their original form, which Lucas should give fans sometime soon, maybe when HD-DVD or Blue-Ray technology kicks in allowing for truly massive storage and multiple versions of a film to be stored in one disk. That said, I really don't mind the changes at all.


Again I'll refer to your signature line- this being another post in which your diplomacy suffers against your claims of being 'kind and courteous.
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It's also called nostalgia, and yes, the rationalization of aging OT fans about how great they are is quite funny. The Star Wars films have never been accepted as high art because they've never been high art.

That's fine with me, the OT is what brought me into Star Wars fandom. What I do enjoy reading the posts here though is how the posters here think about the OT and get all upset because RoTS is actually liked by many fans, including posters here.

And regarding my diplomacy, I'm prepared to be as kind and courteous as I can be. I'd like to sit down and discuss things plainly. But given some of the posters I'm responding to go out of their way to be offended, sarcastic or angry, that's the kind of responses they'll get back.

I have to say though, the little quote by Lucas about his stance against colorizing B&W films sums up the mentality of the hardcore posters in this board the best. It is quite funny that it never occured to anyone before plastering that quote everywhere that colorizing B&W movies by directors who are long dead are not the same as the director themselves deciding to colorize them.
I'm a mainstream Star Wars fan exploring the extremes of Star Wars fandom. My views will no doubt be unpopular. I shall be kind and courteous in my postings, and I hope you will be too.

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It's not so much that the focus isn't on the SFX, it's just that the pacing isn't busted up. The changes in the SEs aren't just upgrades of the O-OT, they actually change the story. That's why the O-OT is better. The SEs are good films, they just aren't what they should be.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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How does the SE actually change the story?
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
How does the SE actually change the story?


Greedo shoots first.
Jabba no longer is a mystery that you are kinda reminded of, but don't really keep in the front of your mind until BAM, Han is captured.
The Emperor's dialogue is completely different.
Anakin can now revert to his younger self when he dies.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Okay but you forgot one thing too, the mysteries of Coruscant (the Imperial City) at the end of ROTJ.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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You know, you would think that if Lucas released all versions on dvd they would make even more money than they are now.
That seems to be a large part of it with him is vacuuming up people's money and putting out the originals
in addition to all the SE's would just make more $$$$!!!!!
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He said there not his visions of the OT.
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You know, you would think that if Lucas released all versions on dvd they would make even more money than they are now.


But he's an egotistical asshat wanker and won't; he already made that clear with his pretentious statement about his bullshit 'original vision' nonsense...

In other news, the death toll in Iraq today....

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Lucas doesn't have an original vision and he never did. It's not a crime, it's just inconvenient for people who want differing editions of the movies. Some of us want A, some of us want D. The way Lucas works, things change pretty often. I bet you any money Luke and Leia weren't sisters in 77. That's just the way the guy works, he changes things because he's obsessive complusive and continues to think that there's ways of improving the movie. It's unfortunate but it's all too common with filmmakers and artists of all kinds. Heck, I do it sometimes. (No one complains because not many people see my movies).
VADER: Let me look on you with my own eyes...

LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?

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Originally posted by: Zebonka
Lucas doesn't have an original vision and he never did. It's not a crime, it's just inconvenient for people who want differing editions of the movies. Some of us want A, some of us want D. The way Lucas works, things change pretty often. I bet you any money Luke and Leia weren't sisters in 77. That's just the way the guy works, he changes things because he's obsessive complusive and continues to think that there's ways of improving the movie. It's unfortunate but it's all too common with filmmakers and artists of all kinds. Heck, I do it sometimes. (No one complains because not many people see my movies).


I doubt they were siblings even when ESB came out. Deleted scene script.

Anyways, all I know of the originals is of ANH since, I haven't seen the other original versions(sure I can read on the internet about the changes but, seeing it would be different.). So, I think that it's better because, when Han shoots first it looks like it's actually happening. Lucas's reworking made Han look like a dear in headlights. Out of all the changes the only one's that I would see as, justifiable to an "original vision" are the following:
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The rest I think he's making it up as, he goes along.


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That won't stop him from making more changes and releasing more DVDs of the movies.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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What's really great is that out of the 3 stills you posted, only one makes any sense - the 3rd one. The first two look like crap, the guy is not a visionary. If I were in that kind of money, I'd go over every bloody frame with a fine tooth comb before I let this kind of amateur CRAP go through quality control. Then again, I'm great now - but if I got rich all of a sudden would I turn into a flannel wearing frog? Probably. He has my respect, he made wonderful movies. I just really disagree with some of the crap he does these days.
VADER: Let me look on you with my own eyes...

LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?

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What do you mean crap?
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
I don't know why he relies on CG and State-of-the art technology for his films.


These days, they take the place of a good story. They're all he has now.

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Special Effects are not important...the characters are.
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
Special Effects are not important...the characters are.

Not to the current generation of movie goers. The 20-somethings these days haven't come up in a culture where they use their imagination. They've had bright, quickly-moving images hold their attention for them. No time to do any deep thinking, the movie will tell them what to think. The movie will tie up all the loose ends for them. Don't bother using your brain to think or contribute to the story with your imagination.

TV is the same way now. Shows and commercials both. An image-a-second, nothing on the screen for more than 3 seconds. Don't let people actually look at the product or do any real thinking about it. Just keep the image or speaker moving, making the viewer chase it around the screen. Oh yeah, and occasionally switch between black and white and color, or clear and grainy. That will make it seem artistic. Most modern-day directors don't need any real editing skills or storytelling skills.

The 3 new Star Wars films have been heavily criticized (and rightly so) for having terrible acting and no story. They don't need any of that these days. Lucas knows his audience - 12 - 25 year olds sitting in the theatre looking up at the big picture, mouth slightly open, thinking to themselves - "look at the pretty colors moving around, aah, one of them go boom".

I'm fine with that, by the way. I have no issues with it what-so-ever. I don't have to watch them. Don't have to participate in the hype or buy the official Padme Doritos or Anakin Limited Edition Lava Berry Explosion Pop Tarts. What I have an issue with is Lucas changing a 28 year old film's story line and characters so that it better fits the new generation of consumers.

You can release both versions George, really, it's not that big a deal. No one will think less of you.

Now, I just need to get my hands on a good DVD of the original 1977 version so I can watch it the way I want to see it.
With my Star Wars lunchbox sitting next to me.

Sorry for the rant.
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Mindless youths today would rather watch prequels than the O-OT?
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".