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Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

Still no reasons from George, Lucasfilm, ILM, or Disney yet?

I suppose the ‘it was always meant to be this way’ or ‘this is the real finished version - not that one which has stood for 20 years’ only works so many times? 😉

There have been no official explanations of any changes since the old “What Has Changed” articles in 2006.

Hell, they made #maclunkey show a Greedo emoji, but no one has explained what it even means.

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doubleofive said:

Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

Still no reasons from George, Lucasfilm, ILM, or Disney yet?

I suppose the ‘it was always meant to be this way’ or ‘this is the real finished version - not that one which has stood for 20 years’ only works so many times? 😉

There have been no official explanations of any changes since the old “What Has Changed” articles in 2006.

Hell, they made #maclunkey show a Greedo emoji, but no one has explained what it even means.

Sorry - I should have been clearer.

‘Changelists’ would be superb! 😃

Though I meant interviews with George or people at ILM - in articles or promos in magazines or publications (or even on the various Star Wars social media platforms) - featuring more claims of his ‘visions’ and sometimes dubious ‘explanations’ / ‘reasons’ (eg, ‘we didn’t have that particular shot’).

Maybe he has now made that many now that even he has forgotten some of them 😉

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doubleofive said:

Biggs Audio Dynamite said:

Still no reasons from George, Lucasfilm, ILM, or Disney yet?

I suppose the ‘it was always meant to be this way’ or ‘this is the real finished version - not that one which has stood for 20 years’ only works so many times? 😉

There have been no official explanations of any changes since the old “What Has Changed” articles in 2006.

Hell, they made #maclunkey show a Greedo emoji, but no one has explained what it even means.

Have you received any other responses or information from Lucasfilm (or their employees) after this happened?:

https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1202581565823475712

or why they claimed the Disney+ versions were from the blu-ray releases?

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The silence from Lucasfilm on the changes made to the 2019 SE releases is staggering - if not somewhat insulting…

Is it because they don’t care anymore?
That they have lost track of the sheer number of changes made to the Original Trilogy films themselves?
That they cannot come up with valid reasons for the changes made without further ridiculing past claims and statements by them / George as to why changes were previously made?
Or Lucasfilm is simply content that the fans will throw more money at them for yet another version release featuring more unknown changes every 7-8 years?

It’ll be interesting to see if any details are forthcoming from them for the physical media release of the ‘Skywalker Saga’ come March 2020…
 

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A little bit of everything you mentioned there for me, ooj!

It certainly does stick in the throat that these editions are now sold without any explanation of which version we are actually purchasing - or official information as to any changes made to the films we are buying!

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oojason said:

The silence from Lucasfilm on the changes made to the 2019 SE releases is staggering - if not somewhat insulting…

Is it because they don’t care anymore?
That they have lost track of the sheer number of changes made to the Original Trilogy films themselves?
That they cannot come up with valid reasons for the changes made without further ridiculing past claims and statements by them / George as to why changes were previously made?
Or Lucasfilm is simply content that the fans will throw more money at them for yet another version release featuring more unknown changes every 7-8 years?

It’ll be interesting to see if any details are forthcoming from them for the physical media release of the ‘Skywalker Saga’ come March 2020…
 

I suspect that no one at Lucasfilm noticed that any additional changes had been made to the 4K masters until it was too late.

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A pretty big reason straight from George’s mouth as to why changes were made from release to release, or in this case from the unaltered original theatrical version to the 1997 Special Edition version (as found by doubleofive):-
 

George Lucas: “So yes, the Special Editions were a means of researching and testing what I was going to try to do on this film. (re The Phantom Menace)
 

^ https://twitter.com/doubleofive/status/1151316503314227205

I know it has also been mentioned elsewhere on the site, but I thought it was also worth a mention in this thread too, given the topic being discussed in here.

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I’ve heard that before, and I think it’s clear that Lucas’s on financing tactics are to blame at least partly; he wanted to test out the CGI and also make money to fund TPM. What makes zero sense are all the later differences over time, particularly when some changes like Luke’s scream in ESB went back to the old version. The sad truth is that he’s probably just an obsessive old control freak, and this is his way of being involved in “his movies” after the other really creative minds have been forced out.

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NeverarGreat said:

Always sounded mechanical to me.

Me too. I just compared the sound mixes and in the mono mix it sounds like an alarm (to me) but the original stereo mix it’s clearly just a beastly voice of the dianoga. The 5.1 recreation mix also sound like the mono mix in this case, and I think most official releases as well. I also thought for a long time it was some kind of alarm and Han just shoots something until I read somewhere, maybe from the novelization, that the dianoga was still a threat.

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Mocata said:

I’ve heard that before, and I think it’s clear that Lucas’s on financing tactics are to blame at least partly; he wanted to test out the CGI and also make money to fund TPM. What makes zero sense are all the later differences over time, particularly when some changes like Luke’s scream in ESB went back to the old version. The sad truth is that he’s probably just an obsessive old control freak, and this is his way of being involved in “his movies” after the other really creative minds have been forced out.

Very sad that he has to keep revisiting the films and ‘improving’ them into failures.

This has to be some sort of age thing - or mental health issue? Crazy, whatever obsesses/drives/compels him to do this.

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Well you know the old saying, most of the time artists just remake the same thing over an over. Except George seems to have taken this too literally instead of actually directing something after 1977… well until TPM. Usually film makers make a rough and ready project, then try again and again with a series of new movies.

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I’m surprised he hasn’t messed with his USC student films at this point. 😉

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There was a subtle change that involves this optical-effects stripe of these two shots:


Sandwiched between these two shots is a wipe from screen left to screen right

Yes, this stripe existed in the ’77 and ’81 versions, however, here’s the change:
24 frames has been added to the tail-end of that stripe—the shot where the TIE fighters fly towards the Death Star. The reason for that comes from Lucasfilm’s decision to have that shot be the last one to end Reel 2, as movies were still being shown via celluloid prints during 1997.

For a better understanding of what I’m about to explain here, you can download this file.

Edit: Link has been changed. Previous one was not working.
https://mega.nz/file/QosB1LAY#LRlEYGE_erIWkSArpVCZTYXakYY4leC03pBYqoX3hUY

It’s a 14-second MKV file with 2 video tracks and 4 audio tracks muxed in—2 DTS-MA HD tracks, a DTS-ES track, and a PCM track.

VIDEO TRACK 1/AUDIO TRACK 1:
This is the 1977 edition of that optical-effects stripe with the ’77 sound mix in 2 channel audio.

Because Lucas added in new material in Reel 3 such as the Mos Eisley sequence, the Solo/Greedo shoot-out, the Solo/Jabba scene, and the Falcon lift-off shot, Lucasfilm had to find a way to balance the length of these two reels when preparing release prints, since each reel can be longer than a 1000 feet of film. Ultimately, Lucasfilm decided to have a splice between the said establishing Death Star shot and this shot of a corridor of the Death Star’s detention center.

When that decision was made, some changes had to be made.

VIDEO TRACK 2/AUDIO TRACK 2: (make sure you switch the video track to number 2, as well as the audio track)
This is the same scene as it’s shown in the 1997 edition, with the additional 24 frames in the optical-effects stripe. In the audio post-production industry, it is not a good idea to have music during a reel change. Because of a projectionist’s off-timing during a change-over between reels in a dual projection set-up, or frames going missing during the assembly and dis-assembly of multiple reels in a single (or platter) projection set-up, these audio glitches may happen during the reel transitions:

  • The audience will notice the music’s rhythm being off
  • A “pop” sound will occur in the music where it shouldn’t be

So, the audio engineers made an audio drop-out in the music track for technical reasons. Hear that drop-out in the 7-second mark of this video.

And this is where a domino effect begins.

VIDEO TRACK 2/AUDIO TRACK 3:
The ’97 version of that scene—with the extra frames—as seen in the 2011 cut. A new sound mix was created for this version. This time, that silence in the music track was patched-over because John Williams’ music score didn’t cover the extra frames at the end of that Death Star shot, because it didn’t end Reel 2 in the ’77 version. To cover-up that silent hole in the music track, the audio engineers used artificial reverb from the last orchestra note of the Death Star theme

I feel that for the 2011 cut , Lucas should have, at least, restored the original length of that stripe by cutting-off the last 24 frames that he added-on, thereby leaving Williams’ music cue for that scene untouched, since Lucas already trimmed 11 frames from the Solo/Greedo shot-out in the ‘97 cut.

VIDEO TRACK 2/AUDIO TRACK 4:
The music track’s audio drop-out that was created back in ’97 has been retained in concert halls around the world, as evidenced by this 2018 performance of the score by The Baltimore Symphony Orchestra in a Live-to-Projection concert of SW:ANH.

I do not have any documents that proofs of what I say, so this is just a educated guess based on my limited technical knowledge of film, so, take this what you will.

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That link was a ‘loooooooong’ one. I thought sure it would give anyone easy access. Anyway, the link has been changed. Thanks for letting me know.

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A stripe is a short piece of film. A wipe is an optical effect that involves the merging of one or more pieces of film into one fresh piece of film or stripe. The post-production house makes a negative stripe of the wipe between the two said shots and that negative is inserted with all the other cut-camera negatives to make the positive print of the film.