Despite all of the correct criticisms of TPM and RLM's spot-on review, TPM still works as a movie. That's it. It's not particularly great or bad just a really good dose of meh.
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twooffour said:
Just wondering whether the people giving the two movies the same (or almost) the same thing have actually thought things through. :)
Probably not. We are all a rather daft lot around here and we tend not to think things through, or to even think at all for that matter.
ChainsawAsh said:
I think so. That movie's a worthless piece of dogshit if you ask me. No redeeming value whatsoever, and that isn't hyperbole on my part.
FASTER! MORE INTENSE! Come on Chainsaw! Stop holding back and being so easy on that movie. It deserves no pulled punches.
SW = 10/10
ESB = 10/10
ROTJ = 7/10
TPM = 2/10
AOTC = 3/10
ROTS = 4/10
Yeah, SW and Empire are tied for me, with TPM being the worst.
Star Wars - 10/10
The Empire Strikes Back - 10/10
Return of the Jedi - 8/10
The Phantom Menace - 0/10
Attack of the Clones - 6/10
Revenge of the Sith - 4/10
Since they're like poetry, what with the rhyming and all, I find that I only need to watch three out of the six films.
Star Wars: 7
Empire Strikes Back: 8
Return of the Jedi: 7.5
The Phantom Menace: 3
Attack of the Clones: 1
Revenge of the Sith: 4
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SW = 9/10
ESB = 10/10
ROTJ = 7/10
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SW = 9/10
ESB = 5/5
ROTJ = 4/5
TPM = 70/800
AOTC = 62.22/700
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CP3S said:
twooffour said:
Just wondering whether the people giving the two movies the same (or almost) the same thing have actually thought things through. :)Probably not. We are all a rather daft lot around here and we tend not to think things through, or to even think at all for that matter.
Sadly, that's very often true (even though you're trying to hide behind saercasm), and I really think that someone rating TPM equally to ROTJ hasn't thought things through.
At any rate, I just asked an innocent question, so grats on bringing in your personal grudges for no reason at all. I usually don't do that :)
captainsolo said:
Despite all of the correct criticisms of TPM and RLM's spot-on review, TPM still works as a movie. That's it. It's not particularly great or bad just a really good dose of meh.
Well, I would say about the same about ROTS. Maybe even more so.
At any rate, my question was rather how someone could rate it equally to ROTJ - because I think saying that VI was kinda a "meh disappointing finale to the trilogy" and "TPM was still meh, not horrible" is losing grip of proportions.
But thanks anyway, just something I wanted off my mind ;)
As for me, I'm struggling to give those movies an exact rating, so I think I'll pass.
twooffour said:
CP3S said:
twooffour said:
Just wondering whether the people giving the two movies the same (or almost) the same thing have actually thought things through. :)Probably not. We are all a rather daft lot around here and we tend not to think things through, or to even think at all for that matter.
Sadly, that's very often true (even though you're trying to hide behind saercasm), and I really think that someone rating TPM equally to ROTJ hasn't thought things through.
First off, nice spelling of "sarcasm."
Secondly, yes I rate TPM and ROTJ equal. This isn't a fucking thesis we're writing, it's how we PERSONALLY rate the films. I don't need to follow your "rules" for rating films. I rated based on my enjoyment, not on the academic theories of film-making.
What a surprise that you've basically called someone's "opinion" WRONG. Again.
Your opinion sucks. Hard. Stop trying to win every thread.
First off, nice spelling of "sarcasm."
This isn't a fucking thesis we're writing, it's how we PERSONALLY rate the films. I don't need to follow your "rules" for rating films.
I rated based on my enjoyment, not on the academic theories of film-making.
What a surprise that you've basically called someone's "opinion" WRONG.
twooffour said:
I said I FOUND your opinion POORLY JUSTIFIED.
THAT'S not "possible." I rated the movies based on my enjoyment of them. I can't be "wrong" for ENJOYING a movie.
TV's Frink said:
twooffour said:
I said I FOUND your opinion POORLY JUSTIFIED.
THAT'S not "possible." I rated the movies based on my enjoyment of them. I can't be "wrong" for ENJOYING a movie.
Well, if you had read my post above properly (i.e. also the parts that weren't in CAPS), you wouldn't be saying this. For at least three reasons.
So whatever.
Gosh, you guys really love each other :)
Ah whattheheck... based on the OP's original rating system:
ANH: 7
ESB: 7
ROTJ: 6
TPM: 3
AOTC: 2
ROTS: 4
The OT can be scaled up by one point (if you stop thinking about "other great movies"), the PT one point down (I was being nice to it for the parts I liked).
That would certainly represent the gap better.
I happen to agree with twooffour in regards to the TPM versus ROTJ debate. I can't believe it is even a debate. The acting throughout all the prequels is so bad that they could never be considered good films based on that single aspect alone - even if the plot made sense, the aesthetic of the tech looked cool, the CGI was convincing etc.
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I think both Jedi come off well in TPM. Ani's mom does a good job. I even like Watto and Sebulba.
No argument on Jar Jar, Ani, or the Nemoidians, however.
ROTJ features a lot of going through the motions, especially Han.
TV's Frink said:
I think both Jedi come off well in TPM. Ani's mom does a good job. I even like Watto and Sebulba.
I agree with the last two.
I think it's fairly representative of the entire trilogy itself, though - they obviously put more effort into the animated characters than the actors; even Jar Jar has more personality than the Jedi.
With regards to Shmi, I'd suggest you rewatch her scenes one more time (in case it's been a while you watched it the last time). I used to think she was pretty good, too, but then I rewatched it, and was vomiting for hours.
Just so... sweet, bland, unexpressive, like she was the singer for the Carebears title or whatever. Like reading lines from a script.
ROTJ features a lot of going through the motions, especially Han.
twooffour said:
With regards to Shmi, I'd suggest you rewatch her scenes one more time (in case it's been a while you watched it the last time). I used to think she was pretty good, too, but then I rewatched it, and was vomiting for hours.
I have been living with TPM for the past several months*. Believe me, I've seen it all plenty. And I still like Shmi.
I dare anyone to say they aren't moved by these performances.
Frink- I do think you're nuts. There is an ocean bewtixt RotJ and TPM to me. You're welcome to your opinion the same as I am welcome to mine... but, in my opinion, you're nuts.
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TV's Frink said:
twooffour said:
With regards to Shmi, I'd suggest you rewatch her scenes one more time (in case it's been a while you watched it the last time). I used to think she was pretty good, too, but then I rewatched it, and was vomiting for hours.I have been living with TPM for the past several months*. Believe me, I've seen it all plenty. And I still like Shmi.
Ok.
By the way...
ChainsawAsh said:
ROTJ - 6/10
TPM - 5/10
Bingowings said:
^this
pittrek said:
The Phantom Menace - 2/8
Return Of The Jedi - 1/8
captainsolo said:
ROTJ: 4 out of 4 stars.
TPM: 3 out of 4 stars.
So I may be nuts, but I'm not the only one.