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Superman the movie(The best superhero movie ever made and that is not nostalgia talking, i didn’t see the movie until I was 18 and then it was when i was trapped at work after the end of my shift for the whole night and I was watching it on a portable DvD player with a tiny seven inch screen, so that was the worst way to watch any film for the first time and I went in expect to hate it but instead i found it had a special magic that few films of any kind match. It didn’t treat the character as a joke but it still wasn’t afraid to just be a comic book film for kids, it didn’t try to pretend to be anything else and it wasn’t ashamed of what it was, a colourful, rapid fire, epic adventure film. In tone it reminds me of another film on my top ten list, The Adventures of Robin Hood.)

Man of steel(The best birthday present I ever got. I think the point that a lot of people fumble over is that this movie is completely different from the other Superman films and like a lot of project Goyer and Nolan have had involvement with it tries to show that a hero can be a hero even when there are not any easy answers and I have noticed that when it comes to hard issues like the true cost of war, Nolan and Goyer do something rare in the history of Hollywood films, they will bring up the questions these issues raise for the viewers to think about but will then not be afraid to admit that they don’t have an answer that will solve all these problems in every case.

Also in tone it is pretty close to the old Superman radio show where Superman would sometimes go up against the same brutal gangsters repeatedly and he would get mad and threaten, beat up, or even kill people to either get information, make a point, or just because he was mad after watching them try to get away with something.

It was a less perfect take on Superman that most people have not seen and so it didn’t sit well with them, but it wasn’t made up by this film and in it’s own way it is upbeat in that Superman does inspire all of the characters in this film who are not villains to be better people, even the wormy guy from the Daily Planet who I expected to be on the receiving end of a “Didn’t you get the memo?” type scene or to run off like a coward and get killed.

All and all i think this movie is far more upbeat and true to the character then most people give it credit for, i can’t say I feel the same way about it’s sequel based on the trailers I have seen so far.)

Superman 3(This movie is only this high because it contains one of my all time favorite movie lines. “I ask you to kill Superman and you can’t even do this one simple thing.” I also happen to think that the Lana Lang/ Clark Kent romance works better then the Louis Lane/ Superman romance in the other movies, it seems to be based on them both liking each other and not some form of hero worship. I have always seen Clark Kent as being as much a real part of Superman as any other part of his personality, yeah there are some things he does as Clark to throw people off, but over all I think Clark Kent is where the moral center comes from, so the fact that Louis always seems to reject Clark until she finds out he is Superman always bothered me and made it feel like that relationship was based more in Louis being in awe of Superman and it wouldn’t last, this movie isn’t bogged down by that.

Don’t get me wrong most of this movie is garbage but it does have a few scenes that still have some charm to them that help hold it up.)

Superman 2(This movie would be higher on the list but neither of the cuts out there feel like a complete movie, they each feel like a jumble of parts that never really come together to form a whole, and I had no idea there were two different cuts when i first saw it.

Also the music sounds like it was recorded in a shed somewhere and preformed by a high school marching band and that always distracts me from what is going on in the movie. Oh and then there is the fact that the movie revolves around the love story that makes no sense. I mean Superman wants to be with Louis, but Louis is in love with Superman and not Clark Kent, so Superman stops being Superman and becomes Clark Kent?! Even without Zod showing up, how was that relationship supposed to work for more then a day? when you ad to that the memory wiping kiss because Louis is too much of a weak emotional woman to handle ever seeing an ex boyfriend again you have a movie that just doesn’t work very well for me.

Reeves and Stamp have to pretty much hold up this movie on their own and it’s note enough IMO.)

Superman IV(I think i can see what they were going for with this movie, trying to show why Superman can’t solve all the world’s problems because they are too complex and he would have to take away free will, but over the top villains and it getting stuck on it’s preachy anti-nukes message,that really should have just been a story telling tool to get to the over all point of the film, sadly doomed this one before the budget was cut to less then half of what it was supposed to be.)

Superman Returns(Brandon Routh should have worked as Superman and it has nothing to do with him looking like Reeves. There is a scene in an episode of Chuck where he is warning a terrorist thug not to go after “His people” and he comes off as a really good Superman in this scene, and you can tell he is trying in this film and he does work in a few scenes. It’s too bad he was stuck with a soap opera script that didn’t give him much of a chance to do anything heroic and spent most of it’s time casting Superman as a creepy stalker, date rapist, deadbeat dad. Lex comes off as much less creepy then Superman in this movie and he tries a repeat of his plan from the first movie that nearly killed millions. I wouldn’t even call this a Superman film, because in no universe can I see the character that is written in this movie as Superman. he is just a creep with super powers and nothing happens for most of the screen time.

I really do feel sorry for Routh because he could have worked, but the horrid script doomed him before one frame of this movie was shot.)

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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I thought Brandon’s Superman conveyed the alien nature of Superman.
He is a God raised as a man so he falls in love, worries about a child that might be his (human qualities) but can swim through the air and look through walls (alien).
Man of Steel shows Pseudoman have a fist fight and possibly kill thousands while knocking buildings hither or tither.

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Did you miss the part where Zod said his goal was to kill every human on the planet and it didn’t matter what Superman did? How was he supposed to stop someone as strong as him from doing that without a fight of some kind, Zod wasn’t just going to politely run off like he did in Superman 2. to me it’s no different then casting the blame for civilians killed when retaking cities from the Nazis on WW2 veterans, there was no way to avoid people dying if you were doing to stop everyone from dying. I also think a lot of people were killed in Superman 2 by Zod, they just don’t show it on screen. I don’t see how Zod could have taken over the world without killing anyone and the only reason Superman was able to save people in that fight was that the Villains were more interested in him then they were in killing humans, that wasn’t Zod or any of his people’s goal in Man of Steel. “For every human you save we will kill a million more.” "if you love these Humans so much then you can watch them die.’ Those are not the words of people who are going to stop their killing spree because Superman just went away, those are the words of people who were going to kill everyone on the planet and would just keep killing if Superman wasn’t fighting them.

In Superman returns and Superman 2 Superman had sex with Louis and then wiped her mind with his drug kiss and then left her to raise his super powered baby by herself and then doesn’t even get involved in raising the kid after the kid kills a man, so there is at least one death on Superman’s hands right there, not to mention that the first part of what he did was date rape. i mean yeah Louis was sad but did she at any point give him permission to wipe her memory? the only reason she didn’t tell Superman about the kid that I can’t believe with all his powers he couldn’t have known was his, was that she didn’t know because he had wiped her memory after they had sex and I have never heard that called anything other then date rape in real life.

I am sorry if you think i am being too harsh but I just have not been able to understand the logical reason for all the hate for Man of Steel when Superman 2 is the most popular film in the franchise and I sure can’t understand how fighting a mad man to protect the whole population of the earth is a worse moral action then wiping a woman’s memory after having sex with her and leaving her to raise his super powered kid who has already killed.

Sorry it’s nothing personal I am just trying to explain why I don’t get it and I don’t think I ever will. I have tried to understand since seeing Superman 2 why some people are okay with that ending and I have always failed and then Superman Returns compounded the problem beyond all hope of repair for me. I am really glad the franchise didn’t continue down that road.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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The thing with MoS was that, if they hadn’t explicitly stated “this guy’s name is Superman,” there would be no way to know that it was Superman. He wasn’t the likeable boy scout hero I love, he was just some generic ‘superhero’ (if you can call him that) that also has a God complex. First he’s acting like he’s mankind’s only hope, then he’s blowing stuff up just because he can (the satellite at the end).

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In Superman II Superman realises that the Phantom Zone trio will continue to use his compassion for Humans against him so he draws them away from the City.

In Man of Steel Pseudoman just smashes through whole buildings full of people while trying win against Zod and then gets very upset about snapping Zod’s neck trying to protect 3 people.
Man of Steel throws anything good it has going for it out of the window in the final reel.
It just becomes a Kaleidoscope of CGI destruction with all the emotional investment of a screensaver.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

The thing with MoS was that, if they hadn’t explicitly stated “this guy’s name is Superman,” there would be no way to know that it was Superman. He wasn’t the likeable boy scout hero I love, he was just some generic ‘superhero’ (if you can call him that) that also has a God complex. First he’s acting like he’s mankind’s only hope, then he’s blowing stuff up just because he can (the satellite at the end).

I just finished watching the movie and everything he banged into, including that thing he was tossed into by Zod. I don’t understand how he was supposed to stop Zod without some stuff getting smashed, even in Superman 2 stuff got destroyed. I guess the rule of thumb is every Superman movie has to end with time travel undoing the events of that movie, or you can’t have a single action scene in the movie.

I don’t understand this standard at all, show me one version of Superman where his fighting a super villain has not resulted in stuff getting smashed.

Also to apply a real life example, if a cop ends up breaking your window in a fight with serial killer who wants to murder you and your whole family, does that then make the cop a bad guy and should he be sent to prison for life with the killer because if he had just refused to engage the killer then your window would be okay? Did you all see a cut of the movie that didn’t have Zod in it and Superman just start smashing things for no reason? is there a cut out there where Zod was some sort of saint handing out candy to homeless children and Superman just picked a fight with him for no reason? I swear there must be because I seem to be the only person on the planet who saw a version of this movie where Zod killed people and he said the words “If you love these humans so much you can watch them die.”, I think i am also the only person who saw the cut where Superman handed himself over to Zod and was going to let Zod kill him until he found out that Zod was going to kill everyone on earth any way. I don’t know how much more heroic you can get then letting someone kill you for reasons you don’t understand or know anything about to keep other people safe. He gave himself up to the army when he didn’t have to, those don’t sound like the actions of someone with a god complex to me. If anything it was Jor-el, Zod, to a lesser extend Pa Kent who had the god complexes and to some extent Superman had to reject the path they chose or it caused him pain. if anything I think this movie was about Superman finding a middle ground and because of that this featured the most humble of all the Supermen on the big screen. He didn’t stand in judgement of anyone and he sent the mass murders to the Phantom zone and he only killed Zod after he was left with no other choice and that cry he gave out after he did it clearly shows that he didn’t enjoy it and that he felt the deaths of every person he couldn’t save because he was out numbered and out gunned. This movie didn’t do anything any of the other superman movies didn’t do, it just showed what it cost on a personal level and didn’t have a cop out time travel ending.

If you want to know why I am okay with this movie I would say read some of the early Superman comics or listen to the radio show where there were conflicts that didn’t take place in a perfect world and there were no perfect or completely clean solutions to any problem.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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Bingowings said:

In Superman II Superman realises that the Phantom Zone trio will continue to use his compassion for Humans against him so he draws them away from the City.

In Man of Steel Pseudoman just smashes through whole buildings full of people while trying win against Zod and then gets very upset about snapping Zod’s neck trying to protect 3 people.
Man of Steel throws anything good it has going for it out of the window in the final reel.
It just becomes a Kaleidoscope of CGI destruction with all the emotional investment of a screensaver.

Did you miss that Zod was doing things for completely different reasons in this movie then in Superman 2, I have to ask if you have even seen this movie since release.

In Superman 2 Zod wanted to beat Superman in a fight, so Superman running away would draw Zod away.

In Man of Steel Zod wanted to and I am quoting his own word here “Make Superman watch every human die”, so tell me does that sound like someone who would stop killing if Superman went away, Superman gave himself up to Zod earlier in the movie, did Zod give up his plans when he did that.

Under your logic every World War 2 veteran still alive should be tried for crimes against humanity because clearly every mass murderer in history will stop killing if no one is fighting him, so if the allied troops had just not fought Hitler he would have never killed a single person and the allies are to blame for all those deaths, not Hitler and the Nazis.

This “logic” only makes sense if you assume Zod had no Super powers and Superman could have just snapped his fingers and made Zod vanish in a puff of smoke.

I think Warners either needs to retire the Superman character because he is so dated you can’t tell any kind of story with any kind of conflict with him any more or they need to make a rule that every Superman story in every medium from now on has to end with time travel undoing all the events of that story because that is the only way to end a Superman story. That is the only way people will ever accept any Superman story where anything happen ever again. After all everyone is fine with Superman the movie despite the fact that the only reason people didn’t die in that one because Superman couldn’t stop two nukes at once is because he was able to time travel and undo the events of the last twenty minutes of the film, so that really seems like the only solution to the problem all the writers are trapped in at this point.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

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Tim Burton’s “Batman” is way better than The Dark Knight.

Yeh…nah…

How can you be okay with The Dark Knight? Tons of people died in that movie and batman didn’t save them all, that makes Batman the real villain and he murdered Harvey Dent for the no good reason of saving the life of a child, that makes him an awful person, not a hero and yet the movie ends praising him.

If Batman had just left Gotham then the Joker and Two Face wouldn’t have killed anyone. In fact the Joker says it himself, he is only doing what he does because Batman inspired him to do it, so how is Batman the hero? All he had to do was hand himself over to the Joker and not let Harvey take the fall for him and a lot fewer people would have died. Rachal said it hereself, “He’s not heroic at all.”

In Burton’s Batman Jack had been a psycho who had murdered people in cold blood for decades before Batman showed up, so out of the two movies it’s this one where Batman doesn’t directly cause the deaths of dozens if not hundreds of people.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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Nah bruh, Man of Steel was bullshit.

Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.

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DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Tim Burton’s “Batman” is way better than The Dark Knight.

Yeh…nah…

How can you be okay with The Dark Knight? Tons of people died in that movie and batman didn’t save them all, that makes Batman the real villain and he murdered Harvey Dent for the no good reason of saving the life of a child, that makes him an awful person, not a hero and yet the movie ends praising him.

Um, I think you’re responding to LuckyGungan. I’m not at all a fan of TDK.

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DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

Batman murdered Harvey Dent for the no good reason of saving the life of a child, that makes him an awful person

So you’re saying that saving the life of a child makes someone awful? Well, your parents are awful for not aborting you, purely by your logic.

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For the record, I am honestly not Anti-Zod Killing. There were probably 5 or 6 different alternatives in that situation but the idea they were going for is a good one, if execution isn’t great.

But… did you just compare MoS to “older comics”? How old are we talking here? You seem to have a strange definition of old. Radio dramas I cannot compare because I have not listened to those but when I think of Golden, Silver, Bronze, or even modern comic Superman, I don’t think of anything close to what MoS gave.

No, I wouldn’t be mad at a cop for breaking my window, I’d be mad if the cop blew up the neighborhood to catch one guy.

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Neglify said:

DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

Batman murdered Harvey Dent for the no good reason of saving the life of a child, that makes him an awful person

So you’re saying that saving the life of a child makes someone awful? Well, your parents are awful for not aborting you, purely by your logic.

You missed the point completely. I was apply the “logic” by which Superman is deemed an awful person in universally panned Man of Steel to Batman’s actions in the universally praised The Dark Knight. I don’t think that is unfair since two out of the three writers of The Dark Knight wrote Man of Steel so it’s not insane to think the same logic is supposed to apply to both films that deal with some of the same issues.

Thank you for making my point for me, either it is okay to kill a murder to save a child’s life or it isn’t. If I should be put to death for not approving of Batman killing Harvey dent, then since two children were under directly threat in Man of Steel then anyone who complains about Superman killing Zod should be put to death and then brought back to life so they can be put to death again, that is just simple logic.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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For the record, I am honestly not Anti-Zod Killing. There were probably 5 or 6 different alternatives in that situation but the idea they were going for is a good one, if execution isn’t great.

But… did you just compare MoS to “older comics”? How old are we talking here? You seem to have a strange definition of old. Radio dramas I cannot compare because I have not listened to those but when I think of Golden, Silver, Bronze, or even modern comic Superman, I don’t think of anything close to what MoS gave.

No, I wouldn’t be mad at a cop for breaking my window, I’d be mad if the cop blew up the neighborhood to catch one guy.

I would like to know what those options were when Zod was seconds from killing two kids and he had proved he was as strong as Superman and he was a better fighter and that was the first time Superman had the upper hand in the fight.

Oh and you only have to look at the ending of Superman 2. In that movie Superman throws a petty bully across a truck stop and into a pinball machine is such a manor that if it didn’t out right kill the man it would leave him crippled for life, then he just turns around and smiles about it.

At least the Superman in man of Steel is really upset by what just happened, the Superman in Superman 2 just grins about what he did.

Then there is Zod’s fate at the end of that same movie, after Zod has lost his powers and is no threat to anyone first Superman breaks his hands in a manor where the sound of the bones being crush can be heard all the way across the room and Zod is clearly in extreme pain, then he tosses Zod and his followers who are no direct threat to anyone and could be taken to jail, into a pit made of solid crystal that we can’t see the bottom of to either die when they hit the ground or slowly freeze to death. Remember how weak Clark was after having his powers removed, that is how weak Zod and his followers are so there is no way they lived, and that scene of them being taken away is a deleted scene and deleted scenes can’t be counted or we may as well count ideas from other drafts of the screenplay as well, so based on what we see on screen Superman kills a Zod who is no threat to anyone and he is grinning ear to ear while he does it, and yet he lets Lex live, when he fired off two nukes in the last movie.

In the comics and radio shows of the 40s Superman was always beating up petty thugs and wife beaters and the like who were no threat to him in order to in his words “Give them a taste of their own medicine”, then he would beat people up to get information out of them, and threaten to do things like toss them ten miles out into the ocean and leave them to drown, or drop them from the top of a skyscraper, and these were mostly people who didn’t pose any kind of threat to him. Then there is the one case in the radio show where after a gangster has used Krytonite on him and he gets his powers back he fulfills he promise of getting revenge by killing all the gangsters in the hideout who now pose no threat to him. Superman could reach the levels of Jack from 24 if someone made him mad.

Now even if Superman stuck to the moral code that has been laid out by some in the old movies(and he didn’t)that code was an invention of the 1970s almost 40 years ago, so if it is okay for a film maker to pattern Superman after a 40 year old version of the character like in say Superman Returns, is it really wrong for another film maker to go back 70 years and pattern their big screen version of Superman after the version in the 1940s?

Please understand I am not saying anyone has to like it, everyone has their favorite versions of long running fictional characters. I am just saying that the version in Man of Steel is legitimate, it’s just it’s a version that hasn’t been seen in a while and I can’t see that anything he did was any more morally wrong then anything done by any other big screen version of Superman and remember Superman the movie is one of my top ten films of all time, so I have nothing against the Reeve version of Superman. I just don’t have anything against the other versions as well.

To be honest I have to say I think the radio version, where spies and gangsters, and hate groups are huge problems Superman has to deal with and they sometimes get him mad, is the most interesting and my favorite version of the Superman universe. Then again that is just me and I am not known for being too smart so your taste may vary. I would say if you can get a hold of them give the old radio shows a chance, once you get passed some of the more childish early episodes and the show comes into it’s own it does some very brave and adult takes on problems like corrupt city officials and hate groups, and it makes for some exciting stories and they do proper crossovers with batman and robin that make sense and work. It really is a good show and well worth the listen and a lot of the elements that make up modern Superman were invented on the show.

Oh well I guess we will all have to agree to disagree. I think taking the long view Superman didn’t do anything wrong in Man of steel and it wasn’t out of character.

I think one of the points of Man of Steel that we will not see for a while is that it was trying to prove to the average person that the old stand up bit about Superman not needing a Justice League is wrong and that there can be threats that will be too much for him and he needs help with, i think that is the way these films are going but that is just speculation, so i think we will just have to disagree on this point.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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Idk what you’re talking about when I said you should die, but that family could have gotten out of the situation another way like:
•Running away before Zod started the laser eye blast like everyone else did.
•Crawling under the beam
•Taking about 2 steps forward and going around the thing they’re crammed against.

OR since Superman has the strength to snap his neck, he also has to at least have the strength to:

•Lift Zod’s head a bit so that the beam is at a different angle and the family can just walk under it
•Push Zod’s head down a bit so that the family could jump over the beam

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DuracellEnergizer said:

DrCrowTStarwarsreborn said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Tim Burton’s “Batman” is way better than The Dark Knight.

Yeh…nah…

How can you be okay with The Dark Knight? Tons of people died in that movie and batman didn’t save them all, that makes Batman the real villain and he murdered Harvey Dent for the no good reason of saving the life of a child, that makes him an awful person, not a hero and yet the movie ends praising him.

Um, I think you’re responding to LuckyGungan. I’m not at all a fan of TDK.

Okay, sorry. Noted.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Idk what you’re talking about when I said you should die, but that family could have gotten out of the situation another way like:
•Running away before Zod started the laser eye blast like everyone else did.
•Crawling under the beam
•Taking about 2 steps forward and going around the thing they’re crammed against.

OR since Superman has the strength to snap his neck, he also has to at least have the strength to:

•Lift Zod’s head a bit so that the beam is at a different angle and the family can just walk under it
•Push Zod’s head down a bit so that the family could jump over the beam

Well first of all did you see the size of that beam and trying to pass under a moving laser beam and hoping it doesn’t move an inch isn’t much of a plan, these are normal people, not solid snake. Also people panic all the time in disasters and it sounds like you are saying as a matter of principal that if the military comes across civilians in a war zone who panic and do something stupid they shouldn’t act to save their lives because they had it coming. Sorry I don’t buy into that. This is why I think video games are much better story telling tool for helping people understand what it really is like to be in life threatening situations. In a movie the viewer can just sit back and look at the whole area in detail and they are not under any threat, so the way real people react in these situations looks stupid to them because they have all the time in the world to take in details and think about things. Now in a video game if all of the sudden there are explosions and the player is in a place they don’t know like the back of their hand, they will have trouble deciding which way to run and will be likely lose a life due to screwing up. Video games just naturally do a better job of telling this type of story in a way people understand. That is one reason why I hope in the future films will more or less go the way of the dodo and be replaced by video games, video games are just better at explaining world details and showing people what it really feels like to be in a situation like this and why not everyone makes 100% perfect choices in split seconds in a crisis, no film has ever or will ever be able to do that so I think they should stop trying and just leave at least this type of story telling to video games in the future.

Second even if you could force his head to move that much without it snapping his neck or crippling him(and as someone who’s father has been an ambulance captain and worked with the disabled all his life and who has quite a bit of research in my time on this exact issue I can tell you that chances are if he put enough force into trying to move a head that was actively fighting him to move it, the result would most likely be the same snapped neck we saw), then what? The fight isn’t over and they just got knocked back into the middle of the city, all that destruction people complain about came about because Superman was getting his but kicked, what happens when Zod tosses Superman into something in that crowded room? Then even if he could stop Zod, he can’t watch him 24/7 and they lost any way to get him to the Phantom Zone, Superman had to destroy his own ship to stop Zod earlier and no prison on earth can hold him, so where does superman put him where he can be 100% sure that Zod will not be able to get out? let’s say Superma could watch Zod 24/7, how can he be sure Zod will not get the upper hand at some point, remember there is no Kryptonite in the film series at this point, so how does Superman make sure Zod doesn’t get the chance to kill anyone else? I think the only solution that would have worked would have been for Superman to kill himself and Zod by flying them both into the Sun(then again in some stories that would only make them stronger so who knows if that would have worked)and then Superman would be a one off character who’s brief life and death would have inspired the rest of the characters who would make up DC’s movie justice league. I think that would have worked from a story telling stand point, the question is would most of you have been okay with Superman killing Zod if he killed himself along with Zod, or would this movie still be a stinker and Superman still be a bad person?

Well that’s the best solution I can come up with, Superman takes out Zod in a way that also kills him, because anything else left the risk that Zod would get the upper hand a moment latter. Sorry but that’s the best idea I have, would people have been okay with that, if Zod’s death was an act of suicide by Superman?

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Idk what you’re talking about when I said you should die

I got you mixed up with someone else, sorry.

My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.

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The situation is created by the writer wanting a film where buildings fall down with no regard to the people inside and where the ‘hero’ snaps the neck of the ‘villain’.

It’s not the sort of film that works with that character.

Supergirl the television series currently has superpowered people landing in the middle of town every other week and always the title character tries to get people out of the way or draw the villain to an isolated spot.

If that’s not possible in the story that’s because the writer doesn’t want it to be possible in the story which is down to the writer not understanding how the character works.
If smashing buildings full of people is the only way to stop the villain how is this person a hero?
He is just another force of nature like the Cloverfield monster, which could make for a good film but not a good Superman film.

In the case of Man of Steel it makes for a rather bewildering mess of a final reel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M