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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 87

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TV’s Frink said:

yotsuya said:

TV’s Frink said:

yotsuya said:

Clone Wars was very good

Wait, the movie?

It was in theaters, even though it really was cobbled together from episodes they originally planned on airing.

No, I get that, I just thought it was generally considered to be utter trash. I haven’t actually seen it, mostly because it sounds so horrible that I have no interest.

That is pretty spot on and I agree. The TV show is pretty solid after the first few seasons of action porn cause then you start getting more character development and well fleshed out story arcs. The movie though was utter trash. Animation was awful and stringing together a few episodes for a feature movie showed to not work at all. I hated it.

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Lord Haseo said:

Considering the fact you like Rogue One why would you consider it to be EU? It also fits pretty well with STAR WARS and is more than suitable substitute for the PT.

Well, it’s like if I read some Star Wars EU book. Even if I enjoy it, it really doesn’t have any bearing on the story presented in the original films (it’s more like one of those “What if?” comics). Also, it probably has a lot to do with the quality of the prequels (or lack therof). In that their failure promotes my tendency to disregard anything beyond The Original Trilogy. If one was Forced (get it?) to include and consider any Star Wars film as canon just because LucasFilm says so, then their inadequacies would actually start to taint and diminish the originals. And once you start disregarding “official” releases, then it just becomes the standard operating procedure. So, even when they finally put out a good movie, I’m just pleasantly surprised and enjoy it for what it is. But we’re way past the point where I would take any newly released film and use it to reframe the context of the original movies. And since we’re going to be getting a new Star Wars film pretty much every year ad infinitum, if I just start picking and choosing the few films I consider acceptable to add to some sort of personal canon, it just seems arbitrary and unnecessary. For me, Star Wars is…STAR WARS (the original movies). They represent the fundamental, unalterable core of the series. Everything else they keep piling on top, for better or for worse, is just extraneous. Now, when they do release a quality movie (like Rogue One), then great!..I’ll watch it and enjoy it and add it to the list of Star Wars stuff I like. But I’ve transcended the need for any personal “Official” label for those items. It all basically resides in that nebulous and ever-growing cloud of EU that perpetually girdles the original “core” films.

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It’s hard to hate AOTC for any one thing. There is so much wrong with that movie, it’s hard to believe. It’s truly one of the worst movies ever made.

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I have seen plenty of movies that are far worse (lately The fate of the furious). At least AOTC has a solid score, very interesting visual ideas, and was a unique experimental flick at its time. Some scenes are even quite good.

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Dirge said:

Lord Haseo said:

Considering the fact you like Rogue One why would you consider it to be EU? It also fits pretty well with STAR WARS and is more than suitable substitute for the PT.

Well, it’s like if I read some Star Wars EU book. Even if I enjoy it, it really doesn’t have any bearing on the story presented in the original films (it’s more like one of those “What if?” comics). Also, it probably has a lot to do with the quality of the prequels (or lack therof). In that their failure promotes my tendency to disregard anything beyond The Original Trilogy. If one was Forced (get it?) to include and consider any Star Wars film as canon just because LucasFilm says so, then their inadequacies would actually start to taint and diminish the originals. And once you start disregarding “official” releases, then it just becomes the standard operating procedure. So, even when they finally put out a good movie, I’m just pleasantly surprised and enjoy it for what it is. But we’re way past the point where I would take any newly released film and use it to reframe the context of the original movies. And since we’re going to be getting a new Star Wars film pretty much every year ad infinitum, if I just start picking and choosing the few films I consider acceptable to add to some sort of personal canon, it just seems arbitrary and unnecessary. For me, Star Wars is…STAR WARS (the original movies). They represent the fundamental, unalterable core of the series. Everything else they keep piling on top, for better or for worse, is just extraneous. Now, when they do release a quality movie (like Rogue One), then great!..I’ll watch it and enjoy it and add it to the list of Star Wars stuff I like. But I’ve transcended the need for any personal “Official” label for those items. It all basically resides in that nebulous and ever-growing cloud of EU that perpetually girdles the original “core” films.

As a former OT purist I see where you’re coming from and hey at least you may have a few more movies to watch in between viewings of the OT 😉

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MalàStrana said:

I have seen plenty of movies that are far worse (lately The fate of the furious). At least AOTC has a solid score, very interesting visual ideas, and was a unique experimental flick at its time. Some scenes are even quite good.

Do you just not like fun in general?

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TV’s Frink said:

pittrek said:

After having an “Easter marathon” my current ranking is

1./2. - Star Wars / The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Attack of the Clones
4. The Clone Wars
5. Return of the Jedi
6. The Force Awakens
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Rogue One
9. Caravan of Courage
10. Battle for Endor
11. The Star Wars Holiday Special
12. Revenge of the Sith

This sort of makes sense if I unfocus my eyes enough to move AOTC down to the bottom.

Also, which TCW are you talking about?

I assume he means TCW, since the older 2D one is technically just CW.

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Well ok, but are we talking the movie or the series?

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MalàStrana said:

I have seen plenty of movies that are far worse (lately The fate of the furious). At least AOTC has a solid score, very interesting visual ideas, and was a unique experimental flick at its time. Some scenes are even quite good.

I actually agree with this. It’s not a “great” film. Maybe not even a good film. But it’s only really terrible when you compare it to a masterpiece like empire strikes back. There are some fan edits that I can actually enjoy the experience.

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Possessed said:

Maybe not even a good film.

Maybe?

But it’s only really terrible when you compare it to a masterpiece like empire strikes back.

Disagree. It’s terrible compared to TPM.

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Phantom Menace is a bad kid’s movie, made much worse because it has the single most ridiculous and obnoxious character in movie history. If you took out one thing–Jar Jar–it would just be a goofy kid’s film, nothing more.

There is not one single thing you could take out of Attack of the Clones though to make it improve to even bad. There is so much wrong with it at a conceptual and storytelling level, right to the acting and editing and everything else. It’s just a big steaming pile of ****. One of the worst movies ever made.

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One of the worst movies ever made? A bit of hyperbole. One of the worst successful blockbusters ever? sure.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

One of the worst movies ever made? A bit of hyperbole. One of the worst successful blockbusters ever? sure.

True. But when you look at the viewing over time for the original release, TPM had sustained business. Fans kept going to see it. By the time you get to ROTS, the fans went, but didn’t keep going and the business quickly fell of. ROTS set records for initial viewing (opening night, opening weekend, world wide box office), but it could have been bigger if the fans had kept going. That is probably the biggest indicator that most people around the world consider the PT inferior to the OT. That’s why I’m never surprised when someone puts TPM over ROTS.

And as someone recently reminded us, when you compare any of the PT to the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special, they don’t stink very much at all. Only nostalgia keeps me watching the Holiday Special, but I’ve owned the Ewok movies on DVD for years and I have only watched half of the first one. If we are going to talk about crap Star Wars installments, that is really what we should be talking about. ATOC is so much better.

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TV’s Frink said:

Possessed said:

Maybe not even a good film.

Maybe?

But it’s only really terrible when you compare it to a masterpiece like empire strikes back.

Disagree. It’s terrible compared to TPM.

Disagree with you here. TPM is nearly just as bad. They are both trainwrecks in their own lovely way. Attack of the Clones had a romantic element that is central to the story which completely fails. And TPM doesn’t even have an actual protagonist. They are both god awful movies. I just think AOTC is slightly worse.

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darthrush said:

TPM doesn’t even have an actual protagonist.

That doesn’t really bother me. Frankly, you can make the argument that QG, Padme, and Ani are the protagonists the same way that Luke, Han, and Leia are. I mean, I’d be embarrassed to put those six names in the same sentence, but you could do so.

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The protagonist problem with TPM isn’t really just “it has too many main characters,” it’s more that none of them are truly fleshed out in the way a protagonist should. To that end I’d say Rogue One has a similar problem. There it’s clear that Jyn is the one you’re supposed to hang your hat on (whereas TPM doesn’t really have that), but she’s not fully formed in the way she should, which does get it closer to the TPM problem (though, don’t get me wrong, I’d say Jyn is much better than Jinn).

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My ranking:

The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Return of The Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of The Sith
Attack of The Clones
Rogue One
; )

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Earl said:

My ranking:

The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Return of The Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of The Sith
Attack of The Clones
Rogue One
; )

Post saying that you’re trolling in 5…4…3…2…1…

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My ranking:

The Empire Strike Back
Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones

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Earl said:

I saw RO in theatres and was bored the entire time, the movie felt pretty soleless

But every character wore footwear.