Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 8

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

joefavs said:

TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

This 1:38 - 2:10 has been stuck in my head too

When I heard this I knew the spirit of Star Wars had made it’s resurgence.

Also Snoke’s Theme is fantastic. This soundtrack is starting to grow on me.

Lord Haseo said:

This 1:38 - 2:10 has been stuck in my head too

When I heard this I knew the spirit of Star Wars had made it’s resurgence.

See, that part sounded a little too ROTS-y for me. I really don’t like that DUNDUNDUNDUNNAH-DUNDUN! horn thing that happens there and is all over the Sith score. Soundtrack opinions seem to be way more diverse than I ever imagined.

joefavs said:

Lord Haseo said:

This 1:38 - 2:10 has been stuck in my head too

When I heard this I knew the spirit of Star Wars had made it’s resurgence.

See, that part sounded a little too ROTS-y for me. I really don’t like that DUNDUNDUNDUNNAH-DUNDUN! horn thing that happens there and is all over the Sith score. Soundtrack opinions seem to be way more diverse than I ever imagined.

I agree that it sounds rather prequel-y.

joefavs said:

Lord Haseo said:

This 1:38 - 2:10 has been stuck in my head too

When I heard this I knew the spirit of Star Wars had made it’s resurgence.

See, that part sounded a little too ROTS-y for me. I really don’t like that DUNDUNDUNDUNNAH-DUNDUN! horn thing that happens there and is all over the Sith score. Soundtrack opinions seem to be way more diverse than I ever imagined.

If it makes you feel any better I really only posted that for 2:04 - 2:10

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

DominicCobb said:
And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful.

Yeah to be honest I couldn’t see how anyone could hate it. The music perfectly encapsulates the scene and was one of the better melodic pieces on the soundtrack in my opinion.

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema, so take my opinions with a pound of salt.

I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, but I just spit Diet Coke all over my monitor.

swagmasta69 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

I would be shocked if there is another person on this forum who thinks ROTS is the second best SW film, so you mocking anyone here is quite rich.

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

But the Anakin/Padmé relationship itself isn’t earned. There’s no reason why Padmé should fall in love with Anakin (and several very good ones why she shouldn’t). George just keeps telling us that they’re in love throughout Clones, and by the time we get to the heavy stuff in Sith we’re just more willing to roll with it because it’s obvious that this is what we’re getting one way or another.

I actually think that the AOTC romance is the most authentic and unguarded romance in cinema, so take my opinions with a pound of salt.

I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, but I just spit Diet Coke all over my monitor.

I’ll see your Diet Coke and raise you one ruined Hotpocket

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.

Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-

(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

I would be shocked if there is another person on this forum who thinks ROTS is the second best SW film, so you mocking anyone here is quite rich.

I too would be shocked if people actually had good taste.

Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:

In terms of original score, RotS rates as “meh”. TFA was definitely weak.

Battle of The Heroes, Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious, The Immolation Scene, Anakin’s Dream and Anakin’s Dark Deeds vehemently disagrees.

These are all nice cues, but there is no coherence. There’s a similar sound, but they could all be from different films. There’s really not much in the way of new musical ideas that Williams develops and evolves throughout the score (contrast with something like TPM, crap film, great score).

Most of the cues you mention are just Williams working overtime to make things seem important (telling you what to feel rather than helping you feel it). Anakin’s Betrayal is pretty effective as a moving, sad piece of music, but there’s a dissonance when it plays over things we do not care about or feel emotion for (Jedi dying) and things we find hard to believe (Anakin slaughtering… younglings). The reason why The Starkiller is my least favorite track on the TFA OST is that, while a very well composed bit of music, it doesn’t quite fit into the context of the film (overly sad music for the destruction of a planet we don’t care about). One of the very few tonal missteps in the picture.

Grievous Speaks to Lord Sidious might be one of my all time least favorite Star War cues. Yeah, listen to it by itself it sounds super kool yo, but it’s so ridiculously over-the-top epic that it actually fits very poorly with what’s on screen - Grievous’s ship lands and he walks off. OK. There’s no tension in him walking off the transport (like Kylo Ren in TFA) and there’s no real villainy or interest that would require such bombast (Grievous is of course one of the lamest villains in the galaxy).

DominicCobb said:
(Grievous is of course one of the lamest villains in the galaxy).

Why do people think having a fearsome visage on a coward isn’t the point? Lucas wasn’t going for cool with Grievous, he was going for an imposing look juxtaposed with a pathetic personality.

swagmasta69 said:

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

I would be shocked if there is another person on this forum who thinks ROTS is the second best SW film, so you mocking anyone here is quite rich.

I too would be shocked if people actually had good taste.

Said the guy with a username a fourteen-year-old would pick.

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

TV’s Frink said:

swagmasta69 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

1. • Tie * SW/ANH & TESB (I just cant decide!)
2. TFA. Has a more consistent tone than ROTJ so I give it a slight edge.
   4.ROTJ
3. The last crap I took
4. Those Lego Star Wars TV movies
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

What a beautiful post. Please continue to post in this thread.

I would be shocked if there is another person on this forum who thinks ROTS is the second best SW film, so you mocking anyone here is quite rich.

I too would be shocked if people actually had good taste.

Said the guy with a username a fourteen-year-old would pick.

something something post post ironic critique of the modern youth

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I just remembered something else that tug at my heart strings way more than anything else in ROTS…On the 10th I saw TFA for the 4th time and when Han touched Ben’s face after getting stabbed I nearly started weeping. The first 3 viewings of the scene left me relatively unaffected but for some reason I got a concentrated dose of feels I hadn’t gotten in a Star Wars film since the Vader death scene.

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.

Never said there was. Just wrong ways to use it. And I’m not talking down to you, just trying to figure out what a PT fan thinks would pump people up

Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-

(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)

I’m sorry, I think you meant THIS scene from SW.

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

Lord Haseo said:

swagmasta69 said:

ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.

The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.

I honestly don’t believe you.

I just remembered something else that tug at my heart strings way more than anything else in ROTS…On the 10th I saw TFA for the 4th time and when Han touched Ben’s face after getting stabbed I nearly started weeping. The first 3 viewings of the scene left me relatively unaffected but for some reason I got a concentrated dose of feels I hadn’t gotten in a Star Wars film since the Vader death scene.

I believe you, I just think that’s kind of odd. I found TFA to be so… emotionally distant. I didn’t feel ANYTHING except when Luke showed his face, but JJ ruined that too when the actors held their poses for way too long and with the disgustingly out place helicopter shot that ended the movie.

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swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:
(Grievous is of course one of the lamest villains in the galaxy).

Why do people think having a fearsome visage on a coward isn’t the point? Lucas wasn’t going for cool with Grievous, he was going for an imposing look juxtaposed with a pathetic personality.

I get it. But he’s still lame (in and out of universe). No reason to give his arrival on Utapau the most epic music evar is my point.

swagmasta69 said:

I believe you, I just think that’s kind of odd. I found TFA to be so… emotionally distant. I didn’t feel ANYTHING except when Luke showed his face, but JJ ruined that too when the actors held their poses for way too long and with the disgustingly out place helicopter shot that ended the movie.

Because Darth Vader clomping around like Frankenstein and then yelling NOOOOOOOOO, or Wookiees doing Tarzan yells, or Yoda jumping around like he’s got a lit firecracker in his ass, isn’t “out place.”

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

DominicCobb said:

swagmasta69 said:

joefavs said:

I honestly can’t recall any themes from ROTS besides “Battle of the Heroes”, which I thought was a lot weaker than “Across the Stars”, “Duel of the Fates”, and even “Trade Federation March”. TFA has at least five themes that have been stuck in my head for more than a month now (“Rey’s Theme”, “March of the Resistance”, “The Jedi Steps”, and Kylo’s two motifs). I really can’t understand why so many people are rating this score so poorly.

Because other than Rey’s theme, they are poorly used in the movie. March of the Resistance could have been used to pump people up, instead its placement in the movie and in the mix just seemed like an afterthought.

And Jedi Steps isn’t that good (to me).

When the X-Wings arrive at Takodana and the Resistance march plays, that’s some major pump-up-age. Sorry there wasn’t a super epic choir and 3 minute all CGI video game tracking shot to go along with it.

And Jedi Steps is objectively beautiful. You’d sing its praises if it was in a George Lucas film.

Why are you talking down to me? There is nothing OBJECTIVELY wrong with CGI.

Never said there was. Just wrong ways to use it. And I’m not talking down to you, just trying to figure out what a PT fan thinks would pump people up

Good filmmaking? Good movie moments? What kind of question is that?

Also, Jedi Steps is SUBJECTIVELY not beautiful. I would not have liked it in a George Lucas film because it’s like a half written piece. it’s extremely simple and never goes anywhere but into a rendition of the force theme with quiet strings that is ripped straight out of this shot/scene in ROTS-

(The segue into the force theme with quiet strings I mean. Obviously Jedi Steps is not in ROTS.)

I’m sorry, I think you meant THIS scene from SW.

The mix in Jedi Steps was closer to the ROTS mix.

TV’s Frink said:

or Wookiees doing Tarzan yells,

The other two we can agree to disagree on, but a worse version of the ROTS wookie rope swing shot was in ROTJ, so poo poo on you.

Also, if you claim to hate the prequels, you shouldn’t be citing them as a reason why TFA is better, unless you’re giving TFA a backhanded complement.