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Respecting his right to have his own opinion is as far as we have to go. Don’t go overboard now.
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My current rankings for my preferred watchable versions of the films are:
- Star Wars (Despecialized)
- Rogue One
- Revenge of the Sith (Q2 edit)
- The Force Awakens
- Return of the Jedi (Despecialized)
- The Empire Strikes Back (Despecialized)
- Attack of the Clones (Q2 edit)
- The Phantom Menace (Q2 edit)
Now, that isn’t on a scale of amazing to horrible. I actually feel that The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are decent films if edited properly. And I have to put Q2’s Revenge of the Sith near the top of my list because I’ve watched it so many many times when I needed my Star Wars fix and so often picked that to watch of my then-six choices.
The reason why Sith bumps out Awakens at present is due to TFA being a standalone film that–on its own–is derivative and fan-service-y. Hal’s “Gentle Restructure” edit helps that though and might push it above ROTS soon after Hal fixes certain issues v1.0 has. Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
I know we’re supposed to respect all opinions but any list that has ROTS #3 and ESB #6 has some serious problems. I don’t care if it’s allowing for a fanedited ROTS or not.
It’s not so much a list of best-to-worst as much as a list from my favorite film to not-quite-as-much. I put Star Wars and Episode III at the top because I have watched them so SO many times compared to the others.
…Historically though, my favorite OT film has been the original Return of the Jedi, which is one reason why the stupid SE changes ruin that film so much for me. The fact that Harmy keeps working on SW is what keeps it at the top, as my interest is continually piqued. Meanwhile, Empire is a great film, but I’ve always liked the classic adventure that is Jedi better.
And of course, you might have posted that before reading my added edit to that post:
chyron8472 said:
My all-time ranking of the official releases (past and present) are:.1. Rogue One
.2. Return of the Jedi (1983)
.3. The Force Awakens
.4. The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
.5. Star Wars (1977)
.6. The Empire Strikes Back (Special Edition)
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.9. Revenge of the Sith
.10. Star Wars (Special Edition)
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.1138. Return of the Jedi (Special Edition)
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.2187. The Phantom Menace
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.3263827. Attack of the Cloneswith the bottom three listed being eye-rollingly, butt-numbingly, unwatchably awful.
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I know I said TFA is derivative and fan-service-y, but there are many elements to the film that just really win me over. I really love everything about the Finn character and John Boyega’s portrayal of him; the effects (especially dropping out of hyperspace with a planet popping into view); the action sequences like the flight from Jakku…
I recently said TFA was in my top 3, but then Rogue One came out. Rogue One is amazing.
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I’m more concerned about Rogue One being so high. It’s the most boring SW movie to date (basically nothing happens for 1h30 and the remaining 45 minutes are totally uninteresting) with characters so lame even Jar Jar is badass in comparaison… But it’s the SW effect: each new released film is the best until people wake up and start looking without the hype filter (with one movie every year it’s going to take more time but in the end the result will be the same…). For me R1 still stands as the worst SW film… and the dumbest one (which is saying a lot about how dumb it is 😃).
Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
Or make it even worse. If The Last Jedi is good, TFA will still be a very weak (and bad) entry. I’ll probably just skip it and watch The Last Jedi immediately afterwards Return of the Jedi.
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I’m more concerned about Rogue One being so high. It’s the most boring SW movie to date with characters so lame even Jar Jar is badass in comparaison…
Or maybe you’re a hipster and therefore enjoy not enjoying things when a significant number of the mainstream seems to like them.
each new released film is the best until people wake up and start looking without the hype filter
As opposed to a nostalgia filter?
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I’m more concerned about Rogue One being so high. It’s the most boring SW movie to date with characters so lame even Jar Jar is badass in comparaison…
Or maybe you’re a hipster and therefore enjoy not enjoying things when a significant number of the mainstream seems to like them.
allol
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That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?
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That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?
What I know is: I like Rogue One. I like it a lot, I have legitimate reasons for liking it, and I’m not a fool for doing so.
By the way: I like the book better.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?
What I know is: I like Rogue One. I like it a lot, I have legitimate reasons for liking it, and I’m not a fool for doing so.
And that’s all that matters. Keep doing you man 😉
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Everyone is making good points right now regarding TPM vs AOTC, on both sides. Which just goes to show there is no winner in that battle, only less of a loser.
TPM is my favorite prequel but that’s saying barely anything.
Oh… you used the word “favorite” with a Prequel. Are you ill?
Oh…are you a doctor?
Well, we know he’s not a grammarian. So, possibly.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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Everyone is making good points right now regarding TPM vs AOTC, on both sides. Which just goes to show there is no winner in that battle, only less of a loser.
TPM is my favorite prequel but that’s saying barely anything.
Oh… you used the word “favorite” with a Prequel. Are you ill?
Oh…are you a doctor?
Well, we know he’s not a grammarian. So, possibly.
I’m a Vulgarian.
JEDIT: IM A VULGARIAN
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with characters so lame even Jar Jar is badass in comparaison…
I know we’re supposed to respect other opinions but this is just plain silly. If you aren’t trolling, I feel bad for you. I mean, I feel bad for you either way, but I’d feel worse for you if you aren’t.
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That’s probably it. Or, even simpler: R1 is really bad. Who knows ?
Or maybe you guys have different opinions on something (cough cough, art) and they cannot be objectively compared.
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Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
Or make it even worse. If The Last Jedi is good, TFA will still be a very weak (and bad) entry. I’ll probably just skip it and watch The Last Jedi immediately afterwards Return of the Jedi.
I don’t see how you could expect The Last Jedi to be good. You you hate Rogue One. You at the very least strongly dislike The Force Awakens. I imagine you also don’t like the second half of Return of the Jedi.
So if the last Star Wars movie released that you thought was “good” from start to finish was probably The Empire Strikes Back,–given 6 successive irredeemably horrible failures to impress after that, I don’t see why you should even bother watching The Last Jedi at all. Better to just give up every further entry in the franchise as a bad job and save other people from hearing your bellyaching about it.
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I think I can partially forgive Lucas for some of his gaffs in the PT because he gave us the OT. But I cannot forgive Abrams for what he did to Star Trek and so the flaws of TFA are far more glaring to me and highly annoy me to a greater extent.
In my opinion, Star Trek’s Prime Universe had long since cornered the fan base. There are people who like TOS and its movies but don’t care for anything else; people who hate DS9 because it’s not enough like TNG; people who hate VOY because it’s too much like TNG; and people who hate ENT because it’s generally unoriginal. And/or they hate (pick anything post-TNG) because damn you Rick Berman.
So the Trek franchise needs new fans. Enter JJ Abrams, who says he injected some feeling of Star Wars into Star Trek. Great. Sure. Fantastic.
But the Kelvin Timeline (aka JJverse) events don’t overwrite the Prime Universe. In Star Trek, anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities. Therefore, both universes exist, and JJ didn’t ruin it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUEu7Gb7Cg
JEDIT: You just wait until Star Trek: Discovery comes out. Fans are going to come out in droves saying it sucks because reasons.
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Also, the release of the rest of the Sequel Trilogy might retroactively make TFA a better movie given added context.
Or make it even worse. If The Last Jedi is good, TFA will still be a very weak (and bad) entry. I’ll probably just skip it and watch The Last Jedi immediately afterwards Return of the Jedi.
I don’t see how you could expect The Last Jedi to be good. You you hate Rogue One. You at the very least strongly dislike The Force Awakens. I imagine you also don’t like the second half of Return of the Jedi.
So if the last Star Wars movie released that you thought was “good” from start to finish was probably The Empire Strikes Back,–given 6 successive irredeemably horrible failures to impress after that, I don’t see why you should even bother watching The Last Jedi at all. Better to just give up every further entry in the franchise as a bad job and save other people from hearing your bellyaching about it.
Oh my God, THIS.
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So the Trek franchise needs new fans. Enter JJ Abrams, who says he injected some feeling of Star Wars into Star Trek. Great. Sure. Fantastic.
But the Kelvin Timeline (aka JJverse) events don’t overwrite the Prime Universe. In Star Trek, anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities. Therefore, both universes exist, and JJ didn’t ruin it.
Hoo boy, I’m going to regret bringing this out of the Star Trek general thread. The way JJ handled the first two new Trek films were pretty damn bad. The first one was mostly harmless, just general action schlocky and all that. Into Darkness was just such a fucking abysmal, vapid, soulless, derivative cash-grab it was genuinely offensive. Beyond was fairly decent and at least tried to be original and respectful of the original source, something Into Darkness cannot claim in a million years. JJ didn’t ruin Trek or the original universe, but he surely squandered it and everything it gave him.
JEDIT: You just wait until Star Trek: Discovery comes out. Fans are going to come out in droves saying it sucks because reasons.
Lol, you don’t even need to wait 'till it comes out. Literally everything that peeks it’s head out from behind the production office’s doors is being shit on in droves. Not because it’s new or different. Because it looks like absolute hot garbage.
What, a man builds a giant mound of dirt in his house and you aren’t entertained?
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Into Darkness was just such a fucking abysmal, vapid, soulless, derivative cash-grab it was genuinely offensive.
Which is why I have the “Seeds of Wrath” fan edit of Into Darkness. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but somewhat better.
Literally everything [about Destiny so far] looks like absolute hot garbage.
Okay, yes. Yes it does. I’ve seen the teaser, and it generates all kinds of NOPE within me.
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Rogue one just has proven how bad TFA really is.
I didn’t care much for TFA, but how has R1 “proven” it to be bad?
I hope that doesn’t sound condescending or whatever, I know how these things can read in the current mood of the forum, I’m just curious.
You have two opportunities to make a Star Wars movie. For Disney’s first outing in Star Wars, you have TFA. They seem to have all the right people involved and what you get is a story that plays it safe, doesn’t take many risks, has great characters, but contains a whole string of gaffs (lack of any explanation of the current and complex Republic government setup, lack of any explanation as to why the Republic fleet is in one place when it is a large galaxy, the all too convenient way the Falcon escapes Jakku and is found by Han and Chewy, the superweapon that manages to shoot a planet systems away and not have it take centuries to get there and provides no explanation of what the hell is going on, and somehow the blast is visible on Takodana and yet they are not destroyed themselves and then Luke at the end with no lines, and I could go on about the failings of the films but that seems enough) and just is unsatisfying. Then the second outing takes the first two paragraphs from the ANH crawl and gives us the full story. It was a daring script, only has cameos from the main saga cast, lots of easter eggs, but an solid story that is new and different for Star Wars (but very reminicent of many war movies, especially WWII movies) and it hit is out of the park. Abrams gave us little glimpses of classic Star Wars with the Falcon and a few other things, but Rogue One dives into the world of ANH and shows us different corners and makes it come alive. The writing, directing, and editing are outstanding and what I expected of a Star Wars movie. I expected it of the saga, not the side stories, but found the reverse to be true. To me the vast difference in quality (at least in my opinion) shows how bad TFA really is. That is how Rogue One proves that TFA is a bad movie. One can hold its own with the OT, the other I question whether it should even be included in the saga. Others are entitled to have a different opinion but this is how I feel. TFA is more in need of a fan edit than any of the other films followed closely by AOTC.
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a whole string of gaffs
I’ve seen this mistake several times lately, which is to say I’m not calling you out specifically. Anyway…
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a whole string of gaffs
I’ve seen this mistake several times lately, which is to say I’m not calling you out specifically. Anyway…
While the word did intitially indicate something verbal, the usage has grown to include other kinds of blunders. My usage is in keeping with the current Webster Dictionary definition which makes no mention of anything verbal and instead indicates that it applies to blunders and mistakes - exactly how I would characterize what JJ Abrams body of work is full of.
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Into Darkness was just such a fucking abysmal, vapid, soulless, derivative cash-grab it was genuinely offensive.
Which is why I have the “Seeds of Wrath” fan edit of Into Darkness. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but somewhat better.
Did you find a way to fix them casting Cumberbatch as Khan? I like the guy, but he is not Khan and never will be.
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Into Darkness was just such a fucking abysmal, vapid, soulless, derivative cash-grab it was genuinely offensive.
Which is why I have the “Seeds of Wrath” fan edit of Into Darkness. It’s not perfect by any stretch, but somewhat better.
Did you find a way to fix them casting Cumberbatch as Khan? I like the guy, but he is not Khan and never will be.
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Rogue one just has proven how bad TFA really is.
I didn’t care much for TFA, but how has R1 “proven” it to be bad?
I hope that doesn’t sound condescending or whatever, I know how these things can read in the current mood of the forum, I’m just curious.You have two opportunities to make a Star Wars movie. For Disney’s first outing in Star Wars, you have TFA. They seem to have all the right people involved and what you get is a story that plays it safe, doesn’t take many risks, has great characters, but contains a whole string of gaffs (lack of any explanation of the current and complex Republic government setup, lack of any explanation as to why the Republic fleet is in one place when it is a large galaxy, the all too convenient way the Falcon escapes Jakku and is found by Han and Chewy, the superweapon that manages to shoot a planet systems away and not have it take centuries to get there and provides no explanation of what the hell is going on, and somehow the blast is visible on Takodana and yet they are not destroyed themselves and then Luke at the end with no lines, and I could go on about the failings of the films but that seems enough) and just is unsatisfying. Then the second outing takes the first two paragraphs from the ANH crawl and gives us the full story. It was a daring script, only has cameos from the main saga cast, lots of easter eggs, but an solid story that is new and different for Star Wars (but very reminicent of many war movies, especially WWII movies) and it hit is out of the park. Abrams gave us little glimpses of classic Star Wars with the Falcon and a few other things, but Rogue One dives into the world of ANH and shows us different corners and makes it come alive. The writing, directing, and editing are outstanding and what I expected of a Star Wars movie. I expected it of the saga, not the side stories, but found the reverse to be true. To me the vast difference in quality (at least in my opinion) shows how bad TFA really is. That is how Rogue One proves that TFA is a bad movie. One can hold its own with the OT, the other I question whether it should even be included in the saga. Others are entitled to have a different opinion but this is how I feel. TFA is more in need of a fan edit than any of the other films followed closely by AOTC.
I still don’t see your argument…your entire post can be boiled down to “TFA is bad because of reasons XYZ and Rogue One is good because of XYZ” which would be fine if the topic at hand wasn’t about how one movie directly impacts the other.
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a whole string of gaffs
I’ve seen this mistake several times lately, which is to say I’m not calling you out specifically. Anyway…
While the word did intitially indicate something verbal, the usage has grown to include other kinds of blunders. My usage is in keeping with the current Webster Dictionary definition which makes no mention of anything verbal and instead indicates that it applies to blunders and mistakes - exactly how I would characterize what JJ Abrams body of work is full of.
I’m not talking about the usage. This is a gaff.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaff
I mean, if you want to get picky, the third definition of gaff is “gaffe” which seems a bit silly but ok.