imperialscum said:
Now how will you start the sequel?Probably with some miscellaneous First Order and/or Knights of Ren scene and then cutting to Luke and Rey where we left them off.
lame… you need a random filler to make it a little less lame
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imperialscum said:
lame… you need a random filler to make it a little less lame
I didn’t even say what the First Order or Knights of Ren scene would be about so how the fuck could you say it would be filler based on nothing? Also ESB started with The Empire sending out probe droids across the galaxy and ROTJ started with Vader going to the 2nd Death Star to oversee it’s building process so it wouldn’t be the first time we had villains being in the opening scene.
Well I must admit that the guy has a point. If it was a proper ending, it would be like ESB when they set on something (she would not meet Luke in this film), or we should at least have some (small) conclusion from the scene in terms of dialogue. The way it is now is really bad, especially it makes it awkward for the sequel.
Is she not “set” on giving him the saber? Did you want her to explicitly state “I am going to give you this saber back.” and Luke reply “Well, gee, thanks! I’ve been missing that for a while. Glad that’s concluded.” Would that dialogue count for you?
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Well, as he’s proven, no dialogue = bad, therefore dialogue = good.
imperialscum said:
lame… you need a random filler to make it a little less lameI didn’t even say what the First Order or Knights of Ren scene would be about so how the fuck could you say it would be filler based on nothing? Also ESB started with The Empire sending out probe droids across the galaxy and ROTJ started with Vader going to the 2nd Death Star to oversee it’s building process so it wouldn’t be the first time we had villains being in the opening scene.
The content of a filler really doesn’t matter. It is still a filler in the end.
Please don’t compare this crap to OT. ANH did not end up with torpedo just before entering the DS shaft. ESB did not end up just before Luke stepped in front of Jabba.
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Iv gotta admit I really loved the ending but it truly will be difficult to go back to this scene in episode 8.
So if TFA ended with Rey getting on the Falcon to go find Luke, that would have been a better ending than her finding Luke?
What?
imperialscum said:
The content of a filler really doesn’t matter. It is still a filler in the end.
Nonsense. If the scene has an impact on the rest of the plot it can’t under any circumstance be called filler.
Please don’t compare this crap to OT. ANH did not end up with torpedo just before entering the DS shaft. ESB did not end up just before Luke stepped in front of Jabba.
Lol what? You’re acting as if the film ended just before she got on the world. She finds Luke and that’s all that matters because that’s what the plot was about.
imperialscum said:
The content of a filler really doesn’t matter. It is still a filler in the end.Nonsense. If the scene has an impact on the rest of the plot it can’t under any circumstance be called filler.
When you have a delicious turkey sandwich, it’s fact that the turkey itself is just filler.
Lol what? You’re acting as if the film ended just before she got on the world.
Well that would be way better than how it is now.
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Lol what? You’re acting as if the film ended just before she got on the world.
Well that would be way better than how it is now.
So arbitrary…
imperialscum said:
Well that would be way better than how it is now.
Would have made the film felt like a huge waste.
So if TFA ended with Rey getting on the Falcon to go find Luke, that would have been a better ending than her finding Luke?
Yes, that would be lightyears better. On the downside, it would make “finding Luke” plot element even more useless in this film as it already is.
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imperialscum said:
Well that would be way better than how it is now.Would have made the film felt like a huge waste.
It already feels like that so I don’t think that would be the problem.
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imperialscum said:
It already feels like that so I don’t think that would be the problem.
How? The plot of the film is about finding Luke and at the end we find Luke…
I wonder if the problem is that Luke, as a character, is not actually involved in TFA’s plot.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
It would have been nice to have him be part of the plot but to have his importance…his presence be so profound that the plot circles around finding him is almost just as good as having him being an integral to the story.
Why not both? Have the main characters find Luke so that he can take part of the plot in the ending. I think part of the problem here is that the search for Luke leads to nothing actually meaningful in the end, it has no impact on the plot, not in this episode anyway.
The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201
A proper way to do it would be to actually make something out of it. Luke, his disappearence, reasons for his disappearence, etc. should be an integral part of the story. The plot, through characters, should gradually uncover pieces and clues to that. See KOTOR for how something like that is done properly.
What we have now in TFA is ANH rehash wrapped into a completely useless finding Luke “header” and “footer”.
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imperialscum said:
his disappearence
Like showing a flashback of him disappearing?
reasons for his disappearence
I’m not sure if you were paying attention or not but Han told Rey and Finn he left because he felt guilty about Kylo turning and killing all of his students…
See KOTOR for how something like that is done properly.
The Revan reveal was a plot twist so you can’t write a story around something you already know in a manner in which you would write a reveal. That wouldn’t make one iota of sense.
John Doom said:
I think part of the problem here is that the search for Luke leads to nothing actually meaningful in the end
So a film in which the plot is about finding someone has an ending that isn’t meaningful because they find the person the plot revolves around?
it has no impact on the plot
Finding him was the plot…
not in this episode anyway.
The impact of finding him will reverberate through the rest of the trilogy yes but the film had an objective of finding this person and it accomplished that.
imperialscum said:
his disappearenceLike showing a flashback of him disappearing?
No. Like going around the planets and find clues, characters, etc. related to it. That is what I meant when I said KOTOR, not the plot twist, which is irrelevant in what I am talking about.
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I think part of the problem here is that the search for Luke leads to nothing actually meaningful in the end, it has no impact on the plot, not in this episode anyway.
Wait, there are more movies coming? THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!
imperialscum said:
No. Like going around the planets and find clues, characters, etc. related to it. That is what I meant when I said KOTOR, not the plot twist, which is irrelevant in what I talking about.
Well going to another planet to find a clue from a character (in this case part of a map) is a part of the plot. It’s just not emphasized as much as this Sherlock Holmes thing you’re trying to sell.
it has no impact on the plot
Finding him was the plot…
No, it was not. As I said, the plot was rehashed ANH plot. Finding Luke was a completely useles header and footer.
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