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Isn’t it enough for you guys to harsh my buzz in off-topic?

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Lord Haseo said:

I meant kisses on the lips. Rey kissing Finn on the forehead means nothing just like a kiss on the cheek.

Because Mark Hamill is good actor we see they very much mean something to Luke, from the look on Mark’s face.

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

Can somebody please explain why The Phantom Menace is better than the other two? I’m not even being sarcastic, I just want to hear your thoughts.

It’s light hearted. It’s magical. It’s a fairy tale. The shittiness is hidden behind a layer of awesome.

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HansiG said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Can somebody please explain why The Phantom Menace is better than the other two? I’m not even being sarcastic, I just want to hear your thoughts.

It’s light hearted. It’s magical. It’s a fairy tale. The shittiness is hidden behind a layer of awesome.

I agree somewhat with the feel of the movie which is why Hal’s Cloak of Deception is so fun to watch. Revenge of the siths beautiful tradegy is also great. And then there’s attack of the clones…

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TPM has a good, fun tone, bad everything else.

ROTS has a somewhat operatic feel, bad everything else.

There is absolutely nothing good about AOTC (except the fact the Christopher Lee was in it, even if he didn’t do anything).

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I’ve been debating where Ep 7 should fit in the scheme of things. In my numbering it marks the 10th or 11th film in the series so here is my order.

  1. The Empire Strikes Back (SE)
  2. The Empire Strikes Back (Original)
  3. Star Wars/A New Hope (Original)
  4. Return of the Jedi (Original)
  5. Return of the Jedi (SE)
  6. A New Hope (SE)
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Attack of the Clones
  10. The Force Awakens

I do seriously think the changes (except the line change about R2 not tasting very good) to TESB improved it. I think the changes to ANH really damage the flow of the story. I like the addition of Jabba and Biggs, but the early changes just don’t fit and Greedo shooting at all just derails the story in the middle. ROTJ’s changes don’t add anything and Jedi Rocks and change to the ending detract enough to pull it down.

I like the Prequels, probably because I am a big fan of classic Hollywood movies and I see a real similarity in the type of story (including the comic relief characters). ROTS is the best of the PT. TPM has some good points and is fun. ATOC has issues and is a good middle chapter but not good on its own.

I have issues with TFA. On the surface it is very polished and the art direction and characters is perfect for the Star Wars universe, but the story fails in many ways. I don’t like the lack of explanation. Lucas managed to throw in a line or two that said volumes about what was going on and TFA lacks that brilliant exposition. In Lucas’s 6 films, everything that happens is very clear, but in TFA, things are vague and the story confusing. Knowing what Abrams is capable of in the TV realm makes it even more frustrating that the fantastic character development seen in Lost is mostly lacking. I think what they needed was a TESB type movie, not an ANH type movie. I’m hoping Rian Johnson can deliver something better. His work so far has been excellent and if he works on the same scope we could be looking forward to two awesome movies. I’m not expecting them to eclipse the OT, but eclipsing the PT would be nice.

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I’ve kissed my sister on the cheek. Guess there must be a plot hole in my life meaning we are not in fact related? Or we’re incestous Southern hicks?

No, really, that does not at all disprove that they are siblings to say the least. They didn’t know it at the time, obviously, but that doesn’t mean anything. And again, she kissed him in Empire only to make Han jealous.

Yikes, it’s pretty apparent how many of you fit the kissless virgin nerd stereotype…

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Density said:
And again, she kissed him in Empire only to make Han jealous.

Han was in Carbonite when she kissed him the second time though…

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yotsuya said:

I’ve been debating where Ep 7 should fit in the scheme of things. In my numbering it marks the 10th or 11th film in the series so here is my order.

  1. The Empire Strikes Back (SE)
  2. The Empire Strikes Back (Original)
  3. Star Wars/A New Hope (Original)
  4. Return of the Jedi (Original)
  5. Return of the Jedi (SE)
  6. A New Hope (SE)
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Attack of the Clones
  10. The Force Awakens

I do seriously think the changes (except the line change about R2 not tasting very good) to TESB improved it. I think the changes to ANH really damage the flow of the story. I like the addition of Jabba and Biggs, but the early changes just don’t fit and Greedo shooting at all just derails the story in the middle. ROTJ’s changes don’t add anything and Jedi Rocks and change to the ending detract enough to pull it down.

I like the Prequels, probably because I am a big fan of classic Hollywood movies and I see a real similarity in the type of story (including the comic relief characters). ROTS is the best of the PT. TPM has some good points and is fun. ATOC has issues and is a good middle chapter but not good on its own.

I have issues with TFA. On the surface it is very polished and the art direction and characters is perfect for the Star Wars universe, but the story fails in many ways. I don’t like the lack of explanation. Lucas managed to throw in a line or two that said volumes about what was going on and TFA lacks that brilliant exposition. In Lucas’s 6 films, everything that happens is very clear, but in TFA, things are vague and the story confusing. Knowing what Abrams is capable of in the TV realm makes it even more frustrating that the fantastic character development seen in Lost is mostly lacking. I think what they needed was a TESB type movie, not an ANH type movie. I’m hoping Rian Johnson can deliver something better. His work so far has been excellent and if he works on the same scope we could be looking forward to two awesome movies. I’m not expecting them to eclipse the OT, but eclipsing the PT would be nice.

So what about TPM(SE). Yes that exists.

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yotsuya said:

I’ve been debating where Ep 7 should fit in the scheme of things. In my numbering it marks the 10th or 11th film in the series so here is my order.

  1. The Empire Strikes Back (SE)
  2. The Empire Strikes Back (Original)
  3. Star Wars/A New Hope (Original)
  4. Return of the Jedi (Original)
  5. Return of the Jedi (SE)
  6. A New Hope (SE)
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Attack of the Clones
  10. The Force Awakens

I do seriously think the changes (except the line change about R2 not tasting very good) to TESB improved it. I think the changes to ANH really damage the flow of the story. I like the addition of Jabba and Biggs, but the early changes just don’t fit and Greedo shooting at all just derails the story in the middle. ROTJ’s changes don’t add anything and Jedi Rocks and change to the ending detract enough to pull it down.

I like the Prequels, probably because I am a big fan of classic Hollywood movies and I see a real similarity in the type of story (including the comic relief characters). ROTS is the best of the PT. TPM has some good points and is fun. ATOC has issues and is a good middle chapter but not good on its own.

I have issues with TFA. On the surface it is very polished and the art direction and characters is perfect for the Star Wars universe, but the story fails in many ways. I don’t like the lack of explanation. Lucas managed to throw in a line or two that said volumes about what was going on and TFA lacks that brilliant exposition. In Lucas’s 6 films, everything that happens is very clear, but in TFA, things are vague and the story confusing. Knowing what Abrams is capable of in the TV realm makes it even more frustrating that the fantastic character development seen in Lost is mostly lacking. I think what they needed was a TESB type movie, not an ANH type movie. I’m hoping Rian Johnson can deliver something better. His work so far has been excellent and if he works on the same scope we could be looking forward to two awesome movies. I’m not expecting them to eclipse the OT, but eclipsing the PT would be nice.

So what about TPM(SE). Yes that exists.

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Are we finally out of the new movie lull? I’ve been seeing a lot more criticism for TFA as of late. I hope it reaches an equilibrium soon so we know exactly where it stands.

My ranking has remained mostly the same:

  1. TESB
  2. SW
  3. RotJ/TFA
  4. RotS
  5. TPM
  6. AotC
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mapet318 said:
I’ve been seeing a lot more criticism for TFA as of late. I hope it reaches an equilibrium soon so we know exactly where it stands.

That’ll happen after the entirety of the ST has come out and the fervor of hatred the internet is swept up in (not just regarding Star Wars but regarding every source of entertainment) dissipates. TFA’s legacy will mostly hinge on Episodes VIII and IX though.

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I’m updating my list:

  1. Star Wars / The Empire Strikes Back
  2. The Empire Strikes Back / Star Wars
  3. Return of the Jedi
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. The Phantom Menace
  6. Attack of the Clones
  7. Revenge of the Sith

All are theatrical versions, except AOTC and ROTS, which would be the DVD versions (not Blu-Ray).

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Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:
I’ve been seeing a lot more criticism for TFA as of late. I hope it reaches an equilibrium soon so we know exactly where it stands.

That’ll happen after the entirety of the ST has come out and the fervor of hatred the internet is swept up in (not just regarding Star Wars but regarding every source of entertainment) dissipates. TFA’s legacy will mostly hinge on Episodes VIII and IX though.

I think the video release will probably be hangover time for quite some people (it reminds me when TPM was released on vhs and dvd: “well, it’s not that great in fact… anyway, Ep II gonna be awesome !”).

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MalàStrana said:
I think the video release will probably be hangover time for quite some people (it reminds me when TPM was released on vhs and dvd: “well, it’s not that great in fact… anyway, Ep II gonna be awesome !”).

That’s entirely possible but seeing as how long it took for movies to be released on VHS/DVD back in the day I have been lead to believe that people declared TPM as a disappointment long before it got a home release.

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Ghibili said:

yotsuya said:

I’ve been debating where Ep 7 should fit in the scheme of things. In my numbering it marks the 10th or 11th film in the series so here is my order.

  1. The Empire Strikes Back (SE)
  2. The Empire Strikes Back (Original)
  3. Star Wars/A New Hope (Original)
  4. Return of the Jedi (Original)
  5. Return of the Jedi (SE)
  6. A New Hope (SE)
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Attack of the Clones
  10. The Force Awakens

I do seriously think the changes (except the line change about R2 not tasting very good) to TESB improved it. I think the changes to ANH really damage the flow of the story. I like the addition of Jabba and Biggs, but the early changes just don’t fit and Greedo shooting at all just derails the story in the middle. ROTJ’s changes don’t add anything and Jedi Rocks and change to the ending detract enough to pull it down.

I like the Prequels, probably because I am a big fan of classic Hollywood movies and I see a real similarity in the type of story (including the comic relief characters). ROTS is the best of the PT. TPM has some good points and is fun. ATOC has issues and is a good middle chapter but not good on its own.

I have issues with TFA. On the surface it is very polished and the art direction and characters is perfect for the Star Wars universe, but the story fails in many ways. I don’t like the lack of explanation. Lucas managed to throw in a line or two that said volumes about what was going on and TFA lacks that brilliant exposition. In Lucas’s 6 films, everything that happens is very clear, but in TFA, things are vague and the story confusing. Knowing what Abrams is capable of in the TV realm makes it even more frustrating that the fantastic character development seen in Lost is mostly lacking. I think what they needed was a TESB type movie, not an ANH type movie. I’m hoping Rian Johnson can deliver something better. His work so far has been excellent and if he works on the same scope we could be looking forward to two awesome movies. I’m not expecting them to eclipse the OT, but eclipsing the PT would be nice.

So what about TPM(SE). Yes that exists.

Do those few changes really change the quality of the film? I think the extended pod race is inferior and I think the CG yoda is superior so it is pretty much a wash. Basically none of the changes to the PT have made them any better or worse. Same with the DVD and BR changes to the SE. In those cases the damage was done with the theatrical SE and the other minor changes don’t change my opinion in the slightest.

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Wait, so your list wasn’t an April Fools joke?

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I’d still support a TPM original-version preservation. Just for the principle of the thing.

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yotsuya said:

…I think the CG yoda is superior…

CPY is greatly superior to CCGY.

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darthrush said:

CGI Yoda is superior [to] the puppet…

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmk4Tl7PKAY&t=1m37s

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Making Yoda full CG is one of the top 5 biggest mistakes of the PT. Kinda ruins the character (even without the lightsaber battles).

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

In no universe is The Holiday Special better than the prequels. The prequels aren’t very good, but The Holiday Special is just the worst. At least the prequels had a story, as botched as it is.

Yeah, but it so bad that some people get more enjoyment out of them then the PT because they can enjoy it more ironically despite it perhaps being technically worse.

TESB
SW
ROTJ
TFA
ROTS
TPM
AOTC