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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 147

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It makes me sad that so many people rank Rogue One so low, as I have really grown to appreciate it, but I get it.

Still can’t see it below any prequel though.

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Oh don’t get me wrong, if I could put another 20 places between Rogue One and ROTS I would. I do genuinely think the ST and Solo are better, so no regrets there. Phantom Menace is another matter. While I recognise it is a very very bad film, I think its high points and its inventiveness in some areas make it a more enjoyable experience.

In general I think my enjoyment of a Star Wars movie is in inverse proportion to the number of planets in it.

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So I think I prefer The Last Jedi over The Force Awakens now because, while TLJ has the awful Canto Bight shit, at least it tried to do something new (even if it sucked and it’s too serious), and because watching TFA is like watching a movie in 2x speed (and a poor, boring, semi-lifeless one with terrible comedy). They’re still poor movies, but, whatever.

Rogue One also sucks.

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darthrush said:

The quality of Rogue One has only gone down for me. The lifeless characters and boring story direction they took sours the experience of an otherwise visually impressive film.

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

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GZK8000 said:

So I think I prefer The Last Jedi over The Force Awakens now because, while TLJ has the awful Canto Bight shit, at least it tried to do something new (even if it sucked and it’s too serious), and because watching TFA is like watching a movie in 2x speed (and a poor, boring, semi-lifeless one with terrible comedy). They’re still poor movies, but, whatever.

Rogue One also sucks.

Ok.

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AllAboutThatSpace said:

In general I think my enjoyment of a Star Wars movie is in inverse proportion to the number of planets in it.

I don’t care how you rank any of these films, I really enjoy this method of ranking them.

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TV’s Frink said:

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

The problem with Krennic is that he’s a weak villain and gets weaker and weaker over the movie, while Chirrut and Baze had no reasons to be in the movie, since they’re not even connected to the plot at all (they’re also the cliché-ridden tragic homosexual couple). One of the problems the Disney movies have (IMO) is too many characters at the same time, which makes things more confusing and/or bloated. Remove Chirrut and Baze and Rogue One gets better.

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GZK8000 said:

TV’s Frink said:

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

The problem with Krennic is that he’s a weak villain and gets weaker and weaker over the movie, while Chirrut and Baze had no reasons to be in the movie, since they’re not even connected to the plot at all (they’re also the cliché-ridden tragic homosexual couple). One of the problems the Disney movies have (IMO) is too many characters at the same time, which makes things more confusing and/or bloated. Remove Chirrut and Baze and Rogue One gets better.

I guess this is the point where I stop feeling any need to read your posts. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

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Lol, I was being polite and educated all this time. I never said my opinions were better, far from it. So who’s the arrogant here?

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GZK8000 said:

TV’s Frink said:

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

The problem with Krennic is that he’s a weak villain and gets weaker and weaker over the movie, while Chirrut and Baze had no reasons to be in the movie, since they’re not even connected to the plot at all (they’re also the cliché-ridden tragic homosexual couple). One of the problems the Disney movies have (IMO) is too many characters at the same time, which makes things more confusing and/or bloated. Remove Chirrut and Baze and Rogue One gets better.

Krennic works well as the guy who is losing power. it makes him desperate. I don’t get your complaint that him getting weaker is a problem.

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

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TV’s Frink said:

AllAboutThatSpace said:

In general I think my enjoyment of a Star Wars movie is in inverse proportion to the number of planets in it.

I don’t care how you rank any of these films, I really enjoy this method of ranking them.

Same. If we can come up with an equation that somehow also works in the number of lightsabers, we might be on to something.

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DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

AllAboutThatSpace said:

In general I think my enjoyment of a Star Wars movie is in inverse proportion to the number of planets in it.

I don’t care how you rank any of these films, I really enjoy this method of ranking them.

Same. If we can come up with an equation that somehow also works in the number of lightsabers, we might be on to something.

But we also need to work in the colors of the planets and the lightsabers.

Obviously the more colors of lightsabers, the more the movie sucks.

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dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Don’t be The Arrogant.

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dahmage said:

GZK8000 said:

TV’s Frink said:

That’s funny because I had the exact opposite reaction. In theaters I couldn’t remember anyone’s name and didn’t find anything compelling about anyone other than Chirrut, Baze, and sort of Krennic. Since then I’ve grown much more attached to the other characters.

The problem with Krennic is that he’s a weak villain and gets weaker and weaker over the movie, while Chirrut and Baze had no reasons to be in the movie, since they’re not even connected to the plot at all (they’re also the cliché-ridden tragic homosexual couple). One of the problems the Disney movies have (IMO) is too many characters at the same time, which makes things more confusing and/or bloated. Remove Chirrut and Baze and Rogue One gets better.

Krennic works well as the guy who is losing power. it makes him desperate. I don’t get your complaint that him getting weaker is a problem.

My problem with Krennic is one of dimension. He’s kind of an over the top bad guy. The bickering power struggle with Tarkin gives him a second dimension. The problem is, though there are hints of a third dimension in his first scene with Galen (where he implies the Death Star is justified), it never crops up in the rest of the film.

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dahmage said:

Krennic works well as the guy who is losing power. it makes him desperate. I don’t get your complaint that him getting weaker is a problem.

For me is a problem because it degrades both the Empire and the plot of the movie. If Krennic were a local leader, I wouldn’t have a problem with him losing power. But I have a harder problem with the guy who is responsible for the Death Star project being so weak after his powerful flashback scene that he needs to be told by Tarkin that the defector pilot comes from Galen Erso’s facility.

OK, not everyone in the Empire is as intelligent and capable as Vader or Tarkin, I get that. But Krennic could have had some iniciative of his own. That he finds out his base is being attacked, okay, that’s fine. That Vader needs to tell him he needs to re-check everything about Galen Erso, ugh not really.

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Lol “respect” is a rather strong word but ok. My point isn’t that Chirrut and Baze weren’t wonderful characters, I never said or implied that. All I said is that they are not needed for the plot. They are not connected to the Rebellion, Jyn, Galen, Saw or any of the characters and factions. They appear in Jedha City, they save the heroes, then they’re captured with the heroes, and then they follow the heroes because they have nowhere to go. They’re mostly in the background, although they’re part of key scenes of the movie.

They may be wonderful character (and, in fact, I prefer them to Jyn or Cassian), but since they aren’t further developed (unlike Han in Star Wars) they felt unneccesary. Had they been more prominent after Jedha City, they could have worked.

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TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Don’t be The Arrogant.

Dude, I have been reading your (and others’) posts long before I created this account, and this is your typical attitude all the time.

I didn’t attack you, or said your opinions were wrong, I just have a different view, and expressed that, and you came here to said in public that you don’t have the need to read my comments anymore. OK, you don’t find my contributions interesting, fine, no one needs to read me, but to say that in public, with the only purpose to attack me, that’s rather inmature.

I have no problems replying and accepting your different views, not sure why you have the urge to make it explicit you don’t want to do the same.

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GZK8000 said:

dahmage said:

Krennic works well as the guy who is losing power. it makes him desperate. I don’t get your complaint that him getting weaker is a problem.

For me is a problem because it degrades both the Empire and the plot of the movie. If Krennic were a local leader, I wouldn’t have a problem with him losing power. But I have a harder problem with the guy who is responsible for the Death Star project being so weak after his powerful flashback scene that he needs to be told by Tarkin that the defector pilot comes from Galen Erso’s facility.

OK, not everyone in the Empire is as intelligent and capable as Vader or Tarkin, I get that. But Krennic could have had some iniciative of his own. That he finds out his base is being attacked, okay, that’s fine. That Vader needs to tell him he needs to re-check everything about Galen Erso, ugh not really.

dahmage said:

and i don’t think i will respect the rest of your post. Chirrut and Baze were wonderful characters.

Lol “respect” is a rather strong word but ok. My point isn’t that Chirrut and Baze weren’t wonderful characters, I never said or implied that. All I said is that they are not needed for the plot. They are not connected to the Rebellion, Jyn, Galen, Saw or any of the characters and factions. They appear in Jedha City, they save the heroes, then they’re captured with the heroes, and then they follow the heroes because they have nowhere to go. They’re mostly in the background, although they’re part of key scenes of the movie.

They may be wonderful character (and, in fact, I prefer them to Jyn or Cassian), but since they aren’t further developed (unlike Han in Star Wars) they felt unneccesary. Had they been more prominent after Jedha City, they could have worked.

not everyone is a tarkin, sometimes you are just a krennic. doesn’t cheapen anything.

you say not needed for the plot, then state how they save the heroes. and then you seem to forget how they make the final transmission possible.

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dahmage said:

you say not needed for the plot, then state how they save the heroes. and then you seem to forget how they make the final transmission possible.

IIRC the only time they’re relevant to the plot after saving the heroes is when they made the final transmission possible. So in a Chirrut and Baze-less version of Rogue One, either that plot element would have been removed, or another character would have made the transmission possible.

Again, I repeat: I have no problems with the characters themselves, my problem is how underused and “irrelevant” they are. If Rogue One were lighthearted like Star Wars, it wouldn’t be a problem for me.

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GZK8000 said:

dahmage said:

you say not needed for the plot, then state how they save the heroes. and then you seem to forget how they make the final transmission possible.

IIRC the only time they’re relevant to the plot after saving the heroes is when they made the final transmission possible. So in a Chirrut and Baze-less version of Rogue One, either that plot element would have been removed, or another character would have made the transmission possible.

Again, I repeat: I have no problems with the characters themselves, my problem is how underused and “irrelevant” they are. If Rogue One were lighthearted like Star Wars, it wouldn’t be a problem for me.

and i fail to see how they are any less relevant than K-2SO, Saw, or Bohdi. and it sure seemed like you singled them out because you don’t like the idea of possibly-homosexual characters (this is open to interpretation, i don’t think anything official has stated this by the way). this is why i am questioning you on this.

if you don’t like movies with a team of characters like this, then fine, nobody can convince you to like something.

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GZK8000 said:

So I think I prefer The Last Jedi over The Force Awakens now because, while TLJ has the awful Canto Bight shit, at least it tried to do something new (even if it sucked and it’s too serious), and because watching TFA is like watching a movie in 2x speed (and a poor, boring, semi-lifeless one with terrible comedy). They’re still poor movies, but, whatever.

Rogue One also sucks.

Is there anything you do like?

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darthrush said:

I can’t believe someone thinks that Baze is a good character. Chirrut though? I can get behind that. He is a cool side character that is given enough depth.

But Baze? Seriously? All I know about him is he is the cool guy with the big gun…literally that is all we are given.

Baze on his own, maybe, but he’s not on his own. He’s got a relationship with Chirrut which is also cool. It may be open to interpretation, but you can’t pretend it doesn’t exist, however you choose to interpret it.

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I don’t know who these people are based on their names, but I definitely don’t recall any homosexual love in Rogue One. Ironically, that would’ve probably made the characters more relatable if they had some kind of tangible human desires and passions.

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