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Rank the changes made to the OT from worst to best (or least worst?) — Page 2

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thats mainly what bothers me the most, the continuity errors
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Yeah, there are things that stick out painfully now when I watch the saga I-VI, I must admit. Particularly the Leia remembering her mother scene, Luke's feeling in ESB that Dagobah is like "something out of a dream," and the difference between the look and actions of Palpatine between the updated ESB scene and in ROTJ. Those scenes always seemed like they were referencing something big in the prequels, but turned out to be vague, mysterious, unanswered questions that don't have an acceptable answer, now that the prequel trilogy has come along. Damn. I'm being completely honest here. Wow.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Well, if you've seen the interview that moviefone had with him and Lucas, he fully acknwoledges that he knew exactly what he was filming.


Actually, I have that interview saved to a CD and, I posted a thread here about it(I don't know if that thread is still around though). Here's exactly what he said:

"Well, I got a real kick out of it. You know I uh, I, I, I, I wouldn't have otherwise have the opprotunity to see myself standing next to Alec Guiness and, and that was neat for me. It, it allowed me to be in the original trilogy as, well. I feel just more embedded in, in, in the saga. So, so I really, I really liked it. "

Nothing saying that he knew that he was being filmed. Just that he liked seeing it.


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just think if lucas told him he was gonna be in it.

by the way thanks for your honest opinion adamwankenobi, appreciated it
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Originally posted by: battlewars

well there you go, lucas has no damn clue

That's it really. He's lost his ability to keep up with all his bullshit about how it's now actually the story he had in his head back in the 70s.
His constant altering of, and lying about the first films to try to make them fit the current films (28 years later), is where his weaknesses as a story teller\writer really show themselves.
A truly great writer would have made the new story fit in with what they had already written decades earlier. They would have done this by deep thinking and using their imagination. Since he can do neither, his only recourse is to remove scenes and erase the performances of actors that don't fit the new(and much weaker) storyline and that contradict his lies about the past.

In doing so, he's had to shrink the story significantly as well as the imaginary, vast universe it takes place in and that all the original characters came from. The story used to be something on par with the enormity of the Milky Way Galaxy. Now it's a little story that could take place in our solar system.

In 1977, Star Wars was a giant, wondrous, magical, outer space adventure story with a hero, a princess, a vigilante, a mentor, a villain, and an array of creatures from far away imaginary worlds.

Now, it's just a family squabble bedtime story where everyone lives happily ever after.
It's no different and no bigger than The Wizard Of Oz - turns out that the lion was only uncle Zeke.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
The only change that I think improved the movie at all was the Biggs scene.

and without the earlier Biggs scene that sets up his and Luke's friendship on Tatooine, it didn't really work.

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i agree with anchorhead screw all that family relationship crap
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Worst
1. Hayden inserted in ROTJ, it means we have to think about the PT, even if we don't like them, that is BS
2. Greedo shooting first, this is the first change of Lucas we should have picked up that he was a different person from the OT days
3. The Jedi Rocks song in ROTJ, it is embarrasing to watch, and I feel like I am watching MTV in a galaxy far,far,away
4. Naboo with Jar Jar celebrating in ROTJ, again something that ties the PT to the OT
5. The Jabba scene in ANH, awful and ruins the mystique of Jabba in ROTJ
6. Boba Feet flirting with female aliens in ROTJ, WTF is that all about?
7. Changing the whole ending of ROTJ instead of following our heroes more, instead we get to see more cities celebrating. What do they have CNN, how do they know the Emperor and DS II have been destroyed so quick?

Did I mention Hayden in ROTJ, this one to this day is the reason I finally turned on Lucas about the O-OT, and wanting it so badly. The Special Effects changes I could live with, but once you change the story, that is insulting. Growing up and seeing ROTJ at 10 years old, my favorite scene was at the end with old Sebastian Shaw as Anakin, and you finally felt like he was redeemed being there next to Yoda and Kenobi. Now I would clamor for the damn 97 SE if he put them out just so I could get that scene back. Damn you Lucas, you went to far with your changes!

Thank you for this thread, now my blood is boiling!
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Originally posted by: CO

7. Changing the whole ending of ROTJ instead of following our heroes more, instead we get to see more cities celebrating. What do they have CNN, how do they know the Emperor and DS II have been destroyed so quick.


The thing is, that didn't necessarily happen directly after the DSII was destoroyed. It is never specifically said when those scenes of celebration occur. But, yeah, the SW galaxy does have the HoloNet.
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from worst to ... well! i can't say best!

1/the ghost change in ROTJ (the final insult!)
1'/greedo shoot first (couldn't believe it the first time!)
2/"jedi rocks" in ROTJ (lapti nek rules ! )
3/the new emperor in ESB
4/removing of "yub nub" at the end of ROTJ
5/the new wampa scenes...kills the suspense!
6/vader's shuttle scene in ESB... (breaks the dynamic of the scene...plus use of stock shots!)
7/CGI sarlaac (WTF?!)
8/CGI droids in Mos Eisley (soooooo! out of place!)
9/the jawa gag in mos Eisley
10/naboo shot a the end of ROTJ
etc....

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shit! i forgot the CGI Jabba in ANH...the worst CGI ever! makes you want to go blind!

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Okay this is what I would keep:

* The Biggs scene. It really should be there, adds a bit more to the whole Yavin battle sequence. Not sure why they cut it on the original release, even without the Tatooine Biggs scenes, it could fit there, since Luke had mentioned him ("Biggs was right..."), and it felt like they knew each other.

* The celebrations scenes at ROTJ. The ending of ROTJ always felt kinda empty to me. They destroyed the empire, and they are out celebrating with Ewoks? What happened on the other planets? Also, yub yub was not my favorite song anyway...

* The matte lines cleaning up, obviously. All those artifacts, transparencies (Hoth battle), black boxes, distracting matte lines, projections (Rancor scene), light sabers going off (Obi-Wan spinning his lightsaber, Vader's when the door shuts down on him), they should be fixed.

* The new Jabba palace song replacing that horribly dated Lapt Nek thing. BUT... with the original scene. No CGI added. No Bobba Fett flerting.

* People on Cloud City listening to Lando's announcement, and the new window views. I'm fine with that.

* I would keep Jabba's scene as a cut scene, which you could watch over the extras, with the original actor AND the CGI as alternate angles, but not on the movie itself.

* Ian McDiarmid COULD be on ESB, but mouthing the original words. Not changing the voice, keeping the original audio and having him mouth the words. Could work.

* The CGI sarlacc pit, if remade, COULD work...

That's it. The rest is crap.
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My thoughts are pretty similar to Riks, so I will just edit his list to svae me writing my own:

The Biggs scene. It really should be there, adds a bit more to the whole Yavin battle sequence. Not sure why they cut it on the original release, even without the Tatooine Biggs scenes, it could fit there, since Luke had mentioned him ("Biggs was right..."), and it felt like they knew each other, but personally I think it would be much stronger with the orginal Biggs scene included. I am currently reading the A New Hope Novelisation by Alan Dean Foster and I really enjoyed the bits about Luke and his friends on Tatooine.

The celebrations scenes at ROTJ. The ending of ROTJ always felt kinda empty to me. They destroyed the empire, and they are out celebrating with Ewoks? What happened on the other planets? Also, yub yub was not my favorite song anyway...
I agree it felt kinda empty. but the new ending is way too much.

The matte lines cleaning up, obviously. All those artifacts, transparencies (Hoth battle), black boxes, distracting matte lines, projections (Rancor scene), light sabers going off (Obi-Wan spinning his lightsaber, Vader's when the door shuts down on him), they should be fixed.
Definitely. Any effects changes are acceptable as long as they are given the attention they deserve, and not the botch job they recieved.

The new Jabba palace song replacing that horribly dated Lapt Nek thing. BUT... with the original scene. No CGI added. No Bobba Fett flerting.
NO NO NO!!!
I recently watched the original ROTJ, and there is nothing wrong with Lapti Nek or the scene in general - the music is just a background thing, which is how it should be. The new one is horrible in every respect. It's like the movie stops, shows us some CGI, then resumes.

People on Cloud City listening to Lando's announcement, and the new window views. I'm fine with that.

I would keep Jabba's scene as a cut scene, which you could watch over the extras, with the original actor AND the CGI as alternate angles, but not on the movie itself.

Ian McDiarmid COULD be on ESB, but he should be done properly, to look exactly like teh ROTJ Emperor. Shouldn't be that hard.

That's it. The rest is crap.


As I mentioned, I am currently reading the Original Star Wars Novel, written before ANH was released in the seventies, and although it is quite inaccurate (it mentions Dogs quite a lot for some reason, and other earthly things to), it captures the general feeling of Star Wars much better than any of this new stuff. That novel is Lucas' original vision because it is based on original scripts and drafts, and unlike a movie a book does not have budget or effects limitations. In the book, Greedo shoots first. You telling me that was budget restrictions? Bullshit.

War does not make one great.