'Raiders of the Lost Ark' - bluray and colour timing changes (Released) — Page 14

CodySolo said:

So the only hope for a fully HD version of the original pole and reflection shots is to find a copy of that pre-Lowry alterations HD broadcast?   

Yes. I've been hunting it down like a dog. It was released by the group "Absinth" sometime in 2005 and is either 14.36GB or 14.38GB.

captainsolo said:

It has been said the WS LD was remixed, but nothing I have found points to this. Some claimed a few sound effects were different, but I haven't found any. This track has music panning not in the DVD 5.1 which was created from the 70mm mix. Perhaps it could be either the Dolby original or abandoned VistaSonic original mix which was supposed to have mixed in stereo surrounds. Either way it would be helpful to compare against the old pan n' scan disc for differences.

I don't know if the Widescreen LD was a complete re-mix but at least the sound of the staff being dropped into the map room is different on that LD compared to the original Dolby mix.

Btw, here's what The Digital Bits had to say back in 2003:

"You should also know that Lucasfilm and Paramount have gone in and made some minor fixes to these films, erasing elements that weren't originally intended to be seen. So, for example, when Indy falls into the Well of Souls now, you won't see the reflection of the cobra on the glass that was placed to protect actor Harrison Ford. Also, when the giant stone ball rolls after Indy in the opening of Raiders, a support beam that guided the ball on the set has been erased. We're told that some 14 minor fixes were made to these films in all."

So apparently some 14 minor fixes... This article mention clean-up of blue fringing: http://www.indianajones.de/dvd/texte/restore.php 

Not sure which shot he refer to but if I recall correctly the opening of the Well of Souls scenes that was shot against blue screen had some blue fringing in the original film.

CodySolo said:

So the only hope for a fully HD version of the original pole and reflection shots is to find a copy of that pre-Lowry alterations HD broadcast?

Or scan an original film print.

TServo2049 said:

The P&S Dolby mix needs to be preserved. The only problem is that it was only ever released in the U.S. in analog.

This, perhaps? http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/47205/SLC-007C/Indiana-Jones:-Raiders-of-the-Lost-Ark-%281981%29

Hmmm... still digging.

I've now done lots of still comparisons with WOWOW vs. grade-matched BD and I can honestly say that the WOWOW, surprisingly, has more detail.

The software I use for the MatchGrade also has a basic image registration algorithm, so the stills used for my comparison were spatially aligned rather well.

The difference is striking.

I'd like to despecialize the WOWOW, but I can't without access to that 10 year old 1080i MPEG-2 ABC TV broadcast version capture. I'm still digging, but I haven't had any luck yet.

For now we may have to settle on the 2003 "enhanced" version.

I still have to remove the burned-in JP subs from those shots. I may seek outside help to get it done well.

AntcuFaalb said:

I've now done lots of still comparisons with WOWOW vs. grade-matched BD and I can honestly say that the WOWOW, surprisingly, has more detail.

Good to hear that... I thought to be completely crazy... (^^,)

PDB does your analog track match the DVD or the WS LD on the staff drop? I've long been curious about that. Of course I just now went back and re-compared the two. The DVD has one sound of the stick hitting, and the LD has it roll around slightly.

The rest sounds the same but the WS LD mix has a potency that isn't in the 5.1. I don't know how to explain it exactly but it packs a lot more punch overall. Additionally the score has some directionality that isn't in the discrete version.

captainsolo said:

Additionally the score has some directionality that isn't in the discrete version.

Can you be more specific regarding this directionality of the score, any particular scenes that stands out in this mix, I saw the movie with this track last year but didn't notice then. Would like to compare.

IIRC it's in the truck chase as Indy approaches on horseback. I'll have to re-watch and take notes.

captainsolo said:

IIRC it's in the truck chase as Indy approaches on horseback. I'll have to re-watch and take notes.

 Thanks. Will check it out.

jedimasterobiwan said:

spoRv do you a have a myspleen torrent or b have a dlc download for your halloween edit?

Wrong thread. I suggest PMing Andrea.

jedimasterobiwan said:

i don't know what happened you have to highlight my above message to see it sporv.

Why are you asking about Halloween in a Raiders of the Lost Ark thread?

for the record, the correct command would be "site:originaltrilogy.com/forum halloween" (without quotes of course).

DoomBot said:

Danfun128 said:

for the record, the correct command would be "site:originaltrilogy.com/forum halloween" (without quotes of course).

 Not really because either one will work, so no i wasn't wrong.

Neither of you are wrong. The difference is that yours will pull in non-originaltrilogy.com hits as well. Using the "site:" operator restricts the search to just within the given site.

Update: Harmy removed the burned-in South America 1936 Japanese subtitles beautifully, so that's done!