GlastoEls said:
As Iger says, they're "gonna be really smart about it".
How smart is another Blu-Ray of the 2011 cuts?
The smartest in terms of profit...
真実
Is it? Why would releasing the same thing again be more profitable than releasing something different?
The possibility is there for a lazy reissue of the Blu Rays, dropping a lot of features and throwing in promotional fluff for Rebels or something for Episode 7.
Fox may still retain the home video rights at this point though.
Where were you in '77?
I suppose I could see that...trailers and whatnot, exclusive to the Blu-Ray would probably attract a lot of people to it.
GlastoEls said: How smart is another Blu-Ray of the 2011 cuts?
Dumber than time-traveling to August 5, 1945 and moving to Hiroshima.
RicOlie_2 said:
Is it? Why would releasing the same thing again be more profitable than releasing something different?
Well the ratio between profit and investment would be maximised. They would practically spent nothing to release it while it has been proven over and over again that Star Wars fans buy just about everything LucasFilm releases.
真実
Even with Star Wars that doesn't apply to a 3rd repackaging of a disc that is already in every store.
And the differences have always been significant. The DVD was the first time Star Wars was on DVD and included the SE. The Blu-Ray was the first time it was on Blu-Ray, and there were new special features. If they're going to release it on Blu-Ray again, they need to do more than just repackage it.
RicOlie_2 said:
If they're going to release it on Blu-Ray again, they need to do more than just repackage it.
imperialscum said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Is it? Why would releasing the same thing again be more profitable than releasing something different?
Well the ratio between profit and investment would be maximised. They would practically spent nothing to release it while it has been proven over and over again that Star Wars fans buy just about everything LucasFilm releases.
In spite of all the fans who think Han shooting first destroyed Star Wars forever and the people who are willing to restore the OOT for free?
There were two separate websites back in May and then August that reported independently of each other that the UOT is coming to blu-ray next fall. (the second website - comicbook.com - stated they had verified their info with two separate sources) Both articles stated the release will be used as a tie-in marketing campaign for EP VII.
Now fast forward a few months and it certainly sounds like there is a new OT release in some form on its way and will indeed be used, as Bog Iger's comments seem to confirm, as a major part of a tie-in marketing push for EP VII.
Put all this info together and to me it adds up to an OUT release. A new SE release with a few exclusives would not be exciting at all, and would not offer any significant marketing message that they could use to hype the new movie. Disney is thinking much bigger than that.
“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas
I really highly doubt we'll ever see another release based off the 2004 transfer ever again.
A lot of evidence from employee resumés points to the 4K master having been finished prior to 2011. I bet the only reason it wasn't used for the initial blu-ray is that George felt like keeping it in his back pocket for an additional dip further down the line. Then the Disney deal happened barely a year later.
As for Iger's long pause in the interview, I'm chalking that up to either a satellite delay or just simple confusion on Iger's part from the way the question was phrased. The reporter simply asks "do you think you'll release the original Star Wars." If you watch and listen, it's almost like Iger is waiting for her to finish the sentence by saying "the original Star Wars movies," which is probably what she meant. She might not even be aware of the various versions and might simply be referring to a wide theatrical re-release, which hasn't happened since 1997 and would be a significant thing all by itself.
Rewatching it again, it seemed like if there was a delay between them it was about a second. He generally responded and reacted about a second after she'd say something.
While when asked about about re-releasing Star Wars he paused for almost three seconds before answering.
darklordoftech said:
imperialscum said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Is it? Why would releasing the same thing again be more profitable than releasing something different?
Well the ratio between profit and investment would be maximised. They would practically spent nothing to release it while it has been proven over and over again that Star Wars fans buy just about everything LucasFilm releases.
In spite of all the fans who think Han shooting first destroyed Star Wars forever and the people who are willing to restore the OOT for free?
Citation needed. :P
He does seem to give a coy, knowing smile to the Star Wars question.
I'm betting we won't know the details of how everything will shake out until next Fall, but it would be nice if someone at Disney/LFL were to just flat out say, at some point before Christmas, "yes, the unaltereds are being restored and will be released next year." It just seems like an inevitability at this point in lieu of an official announcement.
FWIW, there's supposed to be a whole slew of Episode VII related books hitting shelves in September, several months ahead of the film's release. IIRC, we didn't get any merch for the prequels until only a couple weeks before their respective release dates. September has historically been the time for releasing the catalogue titles ('04 OT-SE, '06 GOUT, '11 blu-ray), so maybe they're timing a big re-release to coincide with the start of the Ep7 blitz.
We'll just have to wait and see....
GlastoEls said:
unamochilla2 said:
By "smart," he may be referring to at least including the UOT with the SE, if not released separately. However, if the Diamond Edition line is any indication, Disney usually re-releases a title with some incentive to buy... such as remastered picture/sound, unseen deleted scenes, new bonus features, etc.
EXACTLY - and there's a huge incentive with the UOT, not released in the best part of 20 years!
Nah, even just a remastering of the SE in 4K, and a cinematic release of the SE would still be condsidered 'smart' in most marketing circles. A remastered to look better than before, coupled with some other material and some EpVII stuff, plus a limited run in Cinemas would build hype and rake in dollars, without having to do an OUT.
I don't think there is any evidence either way that they will do an OUT or an SE release. I hope they do an OUT, but can't see anything concrete that they will.
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Disney's marketing idea has basically been "Sorry for the Prequels and Lucas' insanity. Please go see Force Awakens."
I really think that the OOT will be on Blu next year. Either in the summer or early fall.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
lovelikewinter said:
Disney's marketing idea has basically been "Sorry for the Prequels and Lucas' insanity. Please go see Force Awakens."
I really think that the OOT will be on Blu next year. Either in the summer or early fall.
I agree - if the original theatrical releases were put out on disc next year it would be ultimate spin-up to The Force Awakens. I think Disney knows a lot of their Star Wars fan base was put off by the prequels (I know I was), so this would be a move to get us back into the good graces and be excited about Star Wars in the theater again.
For now I'll keep watching my Harmy editions.
I'm kind of torn here. Absolutely right before episode VII would be the best time to release the OUT, and it would hopefully build more hype for Episode VII (I for one won't be seeing it unless the OT is released and won't lose a wink of sleep over it), but that being said, they could also just release the 4K SE (if that's what it is) and then say "enhanced picture and sound!" and slap on some crappy behind the scenes thing for Episode VII and people would still flock to the stores to buy it and then they could cash in cheap on that, and then save the OUT for another time. I'm not sure. I'm pretty positive that it'll be released eventually because of money reasons, but they may want to cash in as much as possible too by having multiple releases. Who knows, I'm sure Disney has top men thinking about all possible marketing ideas.
The Person in Question
There's no way to market yet another version of the SE (without the OOT) that will get people to flock to the stores. There's supposed to be a 4k blu-ray format available by the end of next year, but even if the OOT were one of the flagship titles you're talking about investing in a really expensive new blu-ray player. A regular blu-ray of a new 4k transfer of the SE wouldn't sell well without the OOT either because it would barely represent an upgrade over the blu-rays a lot of people already own.
Also, let's not forget that Disney needs to make a deal with Fox to make anything happen, and it won't happen unless there's a clear reason to believe that everyone will get rich together. The only way to guarantee that is by restoring the OOT and putting it out there on blu-ray.
Fang Zei said:
There's no way to market yet another version of the SE (without the OOT) that will get people to flock to the stores.
I think people on OT.com hugely misjudge the OOT's relevance to an average fan. There has been a very few of us who refused to buy Blu-Ray on the principle of having unwanted changes.
If they release another set with something "extra", I think fans will buy it just as they did 2004 and 2011 release.
真実
My cousins got the BluRays (but they are big home cinema buffs) none of my friends or their family members did.
I would only really be satisfied with a theatrical release of the theatrical cuts.
imperialscum said:
Fang Zei said:
There's no way to market yet another version of the SE (without the OOT) that will get people to flock to the stores.
I think people on OT.com hugely misjudge the OOT's relevance to an average fan. There has been a very few of us who refused to buy Blu-Ray on the principle of having unwanted changes.
If they release another set with something "extra", I think fans will buy it just as they did 2004 and 2011 release.
I actually disagree with that. A lot of people (whether they care or not) are well aware of the Han Shot First thing; the SE is easily the most controversial alternate version of a film, except for maybe the colorized version of It's a Wonderful Life. The biggest complaint about the blu rays was the fact that it did not include the original versions, and that was mentioned in articles from a lot of news sources in their articles discussing the blu rays. Look at how much hype these rumors got over the summer about the OUT too.
Fang Zei: I also agree with you, but knowing Lucasfilm, they're likely pretty out of touch with what the fans want. I do think that it'll be released before Ep. VII because they want to avoid any negative buzz as well as any questioning of Disney's ability to handle Star Wars, but I don't want to hold my breath.
The Person in Question
I'm afraid I have to agree with Imperialscum. The average person doesn't even know about the SE, never mind care about the controversy. Maybe it's more well known in some regions, but where I'm from (and where I live now--thought that doesn't really count), Star Wars isn't really that big. You may get the impression that a lot of people know about this by hanging out with other Star Wars fans and movie-lovers, but the average Joe or Jane on the street won't have a clue about all this. Even movie-lovers aren't much in the know unless they are Star Wars fans.
Well, look at the recent Batman TV series that was finally restored and released. Do you really think that there's more demand for that than the OUT? Is there really more demand for a 4K restoration of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre than the OUT? I'm not saying there's no demand for those things at all (I was thrilled when both were released), but I'm convinced we'll see Hell freeze over before seeing a blu ray release (a good one) of the OUT flop and not sell well.
The Person in Question