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**RUMOR** Original theatrical cut of the OT to be released on blu ray!! — Page 12

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

One thing I would like to see on a proper release, is the COMPLETE deleted scene with Biggs, Luke, and Red Leader - with the complete dialog about Luke's father.

 What are you talking about? Luke's father is Darth Vader. Lucas had it all planned for 25 years before the movie was made. You're just a hater, stop Lucas-bashing* :p

*That's a legitimate term used on "Wookieepedia", not being sarcastic this time, it really is...

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darklordoftech said:

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A common misconception that I think has been unaddressed in most places is that people who are unaware of the SE v. OT debate are going to refuse to buy the original trilogy. The fact that it's  an OUT release for the first time in almost 20 years (I don't count the GOUT) will get everyone who wants the unaltered versions but accepts the SE versions, as well as everyone like us who hates the current SE, to purchase the new release. Anyone who doesn't know anything about it isn't going to say, "Oh, this is the original version, I don't want that I want the one where the CGI dinosaur walks in front of the screen." The argument that "everyone who grew up with the SE knows that as their version of Star Wars," is also invalid because we were all pretty excited when the SE came out, and we knew the original as our version. Also, the argument that most people don't care about the new changes goes both ways because anyone who doesn't care about added CGI is not going to care about the added CGI's mysterious disappearance either. My point is, some people seem to think that because a lot of people are used to the SE, they will for some reason be offended by the OUT, and I just don't think that's the case, because most of the changes are just really stupid, and no one will be devastated by their removal.

I love this post beyond words. It's one of the greatest posts that I've ever seen.

Glad to see someone liked it

Seriously, some of the hopeless fans I've come across either in person or online just can't bring themselves to look at things from a more common-sense perspective now that real businessmen are in charge instead of ol' George. I can't blame them though after nearly 20 years of heartbreak, but I think now it's actually safe to be cautiously optimistic! :)

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I wish that Plinkett would review the blu-rays. The SEs deserve 10x the hate that the prequels get.

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Well, Red Letter Media did do a commentary on Star Wars (DVD) and he just tore all the changes apart, it was great. In one of the reviews, I've forgotten which, he said that the SE's were "offensive", I think he described it as something along the lines of, "you're trying to watch the movie, and they keep shoving more shit on the screen to distract you," and if I remember right he referred to Lucas as nothing but a child waving his arms around for attention or something. I guess that's all that really needs to be said about the SE's, but if you want to hear him pick apart specific changes then check out that commentary track, it's on their website I think.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Well, Red Letter Media did do a commentary on Star Wars (DVD) and he just tore all the changes apart, it was great. In one of the reviews, I've forgotten which, he said that the SE's were "offensive", I think he described it as something along the lines of, "you're trying to watch the movie, and they keep shoving more shit on the screen to distract you," and if I remember right he referred to Lucas as nothing but a child waving his arms around for attention or something. I guess that's all that really needs to be said about the SE's, but if you want to hear him pick apart specific changes then check out that commentary track, it's on their website I think.

I'll listen to it. That sounds wonderful.

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darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 And yet we do all this discussing on whether the 97 versions will get released or some super dooper scruffy nerfheder dianoga wampa deluxe completed version!!!

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moviefreakedmind said:


Well, Red Letter Media did do a commentary on Star Wars (DVD) and he just tore all the changes apart, it was great. In one of the reviews, I've forgotten which, he said that the SE's were "offensive", I think he described it as something along the lines of, "you're trying to watch the movie, and they keep shoving more shit on the screen to distract you," and if I remember right he referred to Lucas as nothing but a child waving his arms around for attention or something. I guess that's all that really needs to be said about the SE's, but if you want to hear him pick apart specific changes then check out that commentary track, it's on their website I think.
They also lay into it in their Half in the Bag conversation with the guy who did "People vs George Lucas", using one of my comparison images even!

http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a9rSX4BhTps/Tv-ZasdjIkI/AAAAAAAAJ3c/3t0gZUEvrd8/s640/HalfintheBag.jpg

I gave them permission to use as many as they wanted to tear the SE apart, but Mike only responded to thank me for watching and complimenting me on the VC.

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crissrudd4554 said:

darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 And yet we do all this discussing on whether the 97 versions will get released or some super dooper scruffy nerfheder dianoga wampa deluxe completed version!!!

I can live without the 97 versions. Something that I'd much rather see than the 97 versions is the mono mix. It was what most people heard in 1977 and therefore is part of the 1977 experience. 

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darklordoftech said: I can live without the 97 versions. Something that I'd much rather see than the 97 versions is the mono mix. It was what most people heard in 1977 and therefore is part of the 1977 experience. 

 I agree. The mono mix should definitely be preserved. Especially since much of the different sounds and dialogue that was added to the SE that was not present on the stereo mix of the original was derived from the mono mix. Examples such as Threepio's tractor beam line and the trooper's 'close the blast doors' are sometimes generally considered SE changes but actually were from the mono mix of the original!

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The mono mix I think would be a must. What is the source of the mono mix on Harmy's versions?

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I believe a 16mm print.

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The bit from the badass digest article I find interesting is that apparently the people in charge at Fox don't feel comfortable releasing the OOT while Lucas is still alive.

I'm not sure why this would be the case, though.

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Fang Zei said:

The bit from the badass digest article I find interesting is that apparently the people in charge at Fox don't feel comfortable releasing the OOT while Lucas is still alive.

I'm not sure why this would be the case, though.

Maybe they don't want to do it without the involvement of the creator. However I think it would be surprising that an organisation like film studio would exhibit such an "honourable stance". They certainly didn't mind releasing Alien3 without Fincher's involvement. But unlike Fincher's case, Fox is probably more on friendly terms with Lucas.

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Nick66 said:

The mono mix I think would be a must. What is the source of the mono mix on Harmy's versions?

On Star Wars the mono mix was sourced from VHS tapes from over the air broadcasts in Europe and then restored by a member of this board.

On Empire, it was sourced from a 16mm print (Puggo Strikes Back) 

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Fang Zei said:


The bit from the badass digest article I find interesting is that apparently the people in charge at Fox don't feel comfortable releasing the OOT while Lucas is still alive.

I'm not sure why this would be the case, though.
Yeah, but without sources, that's really just someone assuming something. I'm pretty sure Lucas has never actually said "There will be no originals as long as I draw breath!", or even thought it. For Fox to assume that is stupid, and for anyone to assume that Fox assumes that is even more stupid.

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I think a better question would be is if this does actually happen will Lucas still be on good terms with everyone??? (Lucasfilm, Fox, Disney, etc.) Sometimes I wonder if he had expected them to eventually get around to remaster the originals and if not if he'd feel betrayed that his own company would go against his 'vision'.

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Mavimao said:

Nick66 said:

The mono mix I think would be a must. What is the source of the mono mix on Harmy's versions?

On Star Wars the mono mix was sourced from VHS tapes from over the air broadcasts in Europe and then restored by a member of this board.

On Empire, it was sourced from a 16mm print (Puggo Strikes Back) 

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doubleofive said:

Fang Zei said:


The bit from the badass digest article I find interesting is that apparently the people in charge at Fox don't feel comfortable releasing the OOT while Lucas is still alive.

I'm not sure why this would be the case, though.

Yeah, but without sources, that's really just someone assuming something. I'm pretty sure Lucas has never actually said "There will be no originals as long as I draw breath!", or even thought it. For Fox to assume that is stupid, and for anyone to assume that Fox assumes that is even more stupid.

 "And there's one more wrinkle I've heard from sources at Fox: as long as George Lucas is alive they're not willing (or able? I'm not clear here) to go against his wishes and release the untouched originals. That was the situation earlier this year, when a rumor about a rerelease of the untouched originals was circulating. Unless something has changed in-house I wouldn't expect movement on these in the immediate future."

http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/16/why-i-doubt-disney-is-releasing-the-unaltered-star-wars-ot-on-blu/

I do think he's making a mountain out of a mole hill with the whole "Fox owns the rights, therefore this rumor is bs" part, though.

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Fang Zei said:

doubleofive said:

Fang Zei said:


The bit from the badass digest article I find interesting is that apparently the people in charge at Fox don't feel comfortable releasing the OOT while Lucas is still alive.

I'm not sure why this would be the case, though.

Yeah, but without sources, that's really just someone assuming something. I'm pretty sure Lucas has never actually said "There will be no originals as long as I draw breath!", or even thought it. For Fox to assume that is stupid, and for anyone to assume that Fox assumes that is even more stupid.

 "And there's one more wrinkle I've heard from sources at Fox: as long as George Lucas is alive they're not willing (or able? I'm not clear here) to go against his wishes and release the untouched originals. That was the situation earlier this year, when a rumor about a rerelease of the untouched originals was circulating. Unless something has changed in-house I wouldn't expect movement on these in the immediate future."

http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/16/why-i-doubt-disney-is-releasing-the-unaltered-star-wars-ot-on-blu/

I do think he's making a mountain out of a mole hill with the whole "Fox owns the rights, therefore this rumor is bs" part, though.

 That article has come up before. His "sources" are just as vague and shady as the comic book.com article. He's also very confused on the Fox issue. He thinks they own the actual films, meaning the films are trademarks of Fox, which is not true. He also said that Fox would be the one to restore the films which will NEVER happen. Fox won't spend a bunch of money restoring films they won't own rights to much longer.

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I agree that the rumour that Lucas has forbid a release of the original versions could be completely unsourced and false.

That said, would this surprise anyone if that were the case? Disney was quite keen on getting Star Wars, to make future films, which was their primary motivation for acquiring the franchise. So if one of George's conditions on the sale was that the film never be released in its original version, or at a minimum that he must approve all future releases of the OT...I doubt that would be enough of a reason for Disney to walk away from the deal.  There seems to be a prevailing attitude that once Star Wars was sold to Disney, Lucasfilm gave up any interest in the films at all, and I don't know if that's the case at all.  There could be all kinds of conditions to this deal we don't know about.

On the other hand it's also possible that George has softened on the issue.  We just don't know.

Now, I have no idea what the deal is, but George wanting final approval on future releases certainly would not be inconsistent with anything he's done before.

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Nothing would anger me more than if the OOT doesn't get released and VII still gets praised for not being the prequels. Until the OOT gets released, we are living in the prequel era.

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If his permission is all Fox thinks they need, I doubt Lucas cares one way or the other. He's 4 Billion dollars richer now and it won't be a single cent of his money that will be spent on a hypothetical OOT restoration. That's why he put out the GOUT in the first place, he didn't want to spend any of his own money on a restoration.

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Nick66 said:

I agree that the rumour that Lucas has forbid a release of the original versions could be completely unsourced and false.

That said, would this surprise anyone if that were the case? Disney was quite keen on getting Star Wars, to make future films, which was their primary motivation for acquiring the franchise. So if one of George's conditions on the sale was that the film never be released in its original version, or at a minimum that he must approve all future releases of the OT...I doubt that would be enough of a reason for Disney to walk away from the deal.  There seems to be a prevailing attitude that once Star Wars was sold to Disney, Lucasfilm gave up any interest in the films at all, and I don't know if that's the case at all.  There could be all kinds of conditions to this deal we don't know about.

On the other hand it's also possible that George has softened on the issue.  We just don't know.

Now, I have no idea what the deal is, but George wanting final approval on future releases certainly would not be inconsistent with anything he's done before.

 That's true, but if Faraci's sources are telling him that Fox is the one refusing to release the OUT then that's still inaccurate. Also, I actually don't think George cares. It's been years since he's fallen back on the whole "true vision" thing where there could only be one version of the film. Before he sold it he just seemed to think that he shouldn't have to restore movies he doesn't care about. If he truly wanted the OUT wiped from existence so much then he wouldn't have given the movies to another company, and he also likely wouldn't have released the GOUT.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Nick66 said:

I agree that the rumour that Lucas has forbid a release of the original versions could be completely unsourced and false.

That said, would this surprise anyone if that were the case? Disney was quite keen on getting Star Wars, to make future films, which was their primary motivation for acquiring the franchise. So if one of George's conditions on the sale was that the film never be released in its original version, or at a minimum that he must approve all future releases of the OT...I doubt that would be enough of a reason for Disney to walk away from the deal.  There seems to be a prevailing attitude that once Star Wars was sold to Disney, Lucasfilm gave up any interest in the films at all, and I don't know if that's the case at all.  There could be all kinds of conditions to this deal we don't know about.

On the other hand it's also possible that George has softened on the issue.  We just don't know.

Now, I have no idea what the deal is, but George wanting final approval on future releases certainly would not be inconsistent with anything he's done before.

 That's true, but if Faraci's sources are telling him that Fox is the one refusing to release the OUT then that's still inaccurate. Also, I actually don't think George cares. It's been years since he's fallen back on the whole "true vision" thing where there could only be one version of the film. Before he sold it he just seemed to think that he shouldn't have to restore movies he doesn't care about. If he truly wanted the OUT wiped from existence so much then he wouldn't have given the movies to another company, and he also likely wouldn't have released the GOUT.

 Well, you may be right. Like I said, we just don't know, and as I said, it's possible George has softened on it, or just doesn't care anymore.

I'm merely saying that Lucas selling the films to Disney doesn't automatically mean he doesn't have a say in future releases of the OT, as some seem to believe. He may or may not be completely out of the picture. Again, it's all just speculation...we don't know.

That said, no matter what the circumstances, I do think we'll get an official UOT release at some point, seems like it's only a matter of time.

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I agree that it's possible Lucas and Disney agreed that the SE has to be recognized as the "official" version (whatever that means) or something but I don't think Disney would agree to give him control over what they can and cant release. Also, I think the likelihood of George putting it in the contract that the OUT can't be released is the equivalent of him putting it in the fine print that Episode VII has to have gunguns in it. 

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