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unamochilla2: I think that any tweaks would be tweaks to Special Edition changes, and I think the prequels are just done forever. No one likes them (except a vocal group online)

As for the unaltered release not having demand, I think it'd have just as much demand as the SE did in '97 if the marketing was right. Also, that's not to say that people who are uninterested and ignorant of the situation, but want to get the trilogy are going to refuse to buy the original versions, they'll buy whatever has "Star Wars: the Original Trilogy" written on it, and they probably won't even notice the SE CGI's absence. 

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If I may be so bold as to give my best guess...

We will get a Restored Original theatrical release on Blu-ray.

We will probably get a tweaked / revamped 3D release in Cinemas of OT with later 3D Blu-ray release

And we will also get the new films and spin offs. in 3D also

Disney want to get a return on investment. It's not complicated only when and how this will happen. They want to use the OT (more popular series) as a spring board for this money making exercise but I am sure they also want to cater to existing fans but also cater to new ones. They want their investment to work for them at the end of the day.

Let's just say Disney want to make their Star wars rights purchase a huge success. Right now though they need to make Star Wars theirs with the next installment of episode 7.

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StarThoughts said:

I don't think there is more demand for the OUT than the SE. I just think the people who want the original are more vocal than the people who are either content with the SE or don't know the difference.

But there's definitely more people who prefer the OOT than there are people who prefer the SE, so if Disney's going to emphasize one, it's going to be the OOT.

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darklordoftech said:

StarThoughts said:

I don't think there is more demand for the OUT than the SE. I just think the people who want the original are more vocal than the people who are either content with the SE or don't know the difference.

But there's definitely more people who prefer the OOT than there are people who prefer the SE, so if Disney's going to emphasize one, it's going to be the OOT.

Not that I don't believe you, but how do you know there's more people who prefer the OOT than the SE?  That's certainly the case on this site, but what about the casual fan?

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unamochilla2 said:

darklordoftech said:

StarThoughts said:

I don't think there is more demand for the OUT than the SE. I just think the people who want the original are more vocal than the people who are either content with the SE or don't know the difference.

But there's definitely more people who prefer the OOT than there are people who prefer the SE, so if Disney's going to emphasize one, it's going to be the OOT.

Not that I don't believe you, but how do you know there's more people who prefer the OOT than the SE?  That's certainly the case on this site, but what about the casual fan?

I haven't met any casual fans who prefer the SE, and a vocal minority tends to indicate an apathetic majority, not a majority with the opposite opinion.

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There is a whole generation of people who only know the Special editions though. So they know no different unless they went out of their way to obtain the original releases.

Basically Disney cannot make any money from releasing  a 4K or 8K special edition release because still most people cant afford the TV sets or have space.

The only moderate plausibly option of a money making re-issue is the Original theatrical releases.

Then the Cinema angle is re-vamped versions of THe OT with 3d bums on seats tickets with a release later.

Pile on the new films also which are priority where as the OT is interim projects for later.

Sure they can Package episode 7 with the 6 others but who is really going out to buy that? if they are a pre-existing fan... And with knowledge of the next 2 films also.

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Some here seem to think that TFN represents the casual fan. I really don't get that. Why would TFN be any more representative of the casual fan than we are?

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There is also all this talk about "Ooohh but fox have the distrubution rights" that could be a problem.

It could be an even bigger problem for fox if their logo is not on episode 7, 8 and 9 and all the spin offs.

Anyone thought about that?

If anything fox will be pandering to get in on the new trilogy whilst maintaining their contract presence on the old films.

Disney hold the power to do whatever they want and that is what they will do and fox won't put up a fight if Disney want to release the Theatrical versions that you can be sure of.

First though the theatrical versions would need a transfer and work there so that will come later on after episode 7 hits cinemas.

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I grew up with the SE and saw all three in theaters.  I had the faces VHS and the SE VHS.  I always found myself going back to the faces VHS and watching those over and over instead of the SE, even as a child.  I did like the the mini-docs on the SE VHS, though.

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darklordoftech said:

Some here seem to think that TFN represents the casual fan.

 Who thinks that?

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TFN doesn't represent anything, it's a dipshit ecosystem unto itself. 

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Ronster said:

There is a whole generation of people who only know the Special editions though. So they know no different unless they went out of their way to obtain the original releases.

Basically Disney cannot make any money from releasing  a 4K or 8K special edition release because still most people cant afford the TV sets or have space.

The only moderate plausibly option of a money making re-issue is the Original theatrical releases.

Then the Cinema angle is re-vamped versions of THe OT with 3d bums on seats tickets with a release later.

Pile on the new films also which are priority where as the OT is interim projects for later.

Sure they can Package episode 7 with the 6 others but who is really going out to buy that? if they are a pre-existing fan... And with knowledge of the next 2 films also.

 There is a good reason for a studio to "future proof" it's film assets. Sony already has a line of Blu Rays that use 4K masters.

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yes you are right Silverwook but in terms of making money in the closer future.

Disney won't just settle with the new films and spin offs. They will want to pad out the wait between releases with other stuff.

It's what about 2 years before a home video release of Episode 7...

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TV's Frink said:

darklordoftech said:

Some here seem to think that TFN represents the casual fan.

 Who thinks that?

People who say things like "casual fan prefer the SEs over the OOT".

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I doubt casual fans care one way or the other. 

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JediZombie said:

I doubt casual fans care one way or the other. 

Many casual fans, particularly younger ones, have never seen the original Star Wars trilogy.  Which really indicates the need for a term for people who call themselves Star Wars fans, but who aren't in fact fans of the Star Wars trilogy, since the term "Star Wars fan" is already taken by those who are.  Too many Star Warses.

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Well, I might as well state what my dream blu ray/4k set would be (note, for the most part, I don't know what the special features would be)

Disc 1: ANH OUT

  • 1977/1981 scrolls via seamless branching
  • 1977 70mm surround, 1977 35mm stereo, 1977 35mm mono, 1985 laserdisc stereo, 1993 laserdisc stereo sound mixes, and a new mix designed to resemble the SE as close as possible (the mixture of stereo and mono dialogue sources comes to mind)
  • Special Features: Deleted scenes (all of the original deleted scenes, including human jabba)

Disc 2: ANH Final Cut

  • New lossless sound mix based off 1997 elements (for the most part)
  • redone CGI to look less dated and fit better with source material
  • Ability to choose between OUT-esque, faithful extended and directors cut extended versions of scenes via seamless branching (OUT-esque removes Jabba scene ,extended stormtrooper search, droids hitting each other, cgi dinosaurs, cgi jawa antics, and the biggs scene; faithful extended keeps the extended stormtrooper search and the biggs scene, but removes the more annoying cgi scenes. directors cut extended is basically the special edition scenes in their proper order)
  • Han shoots first, while greedo doesn't shoot at all (of course :P)


Disc 3: ESB OUT

  • 1980 70mm surround, 1980 35mm stereo, Harmy's despecialized 35mm surround mix, Puggo Strikes Back 16mm mono sound mixes, as well as a new mix that takes the best elements of the 70mm, 35mm, 16mm, and SE mixes (added sounds of 16mm and international, as well as the new star destroyer music cues of the SE. "Bring my shuttle" with it's audio cue will remain though)
  • Special Features: Deleted scenes (all of the original deleted scenes, straight from the original source, with no mixing of deleted footage and 2011 footage as seen in the 2011 blu ray special features -.-)


Disc 4: ESB Final Cut

  • New lossless sound mix based off 2011 and 1997 elements (for the most part)
  • redone CGI to look less dated and fit better with source material
  • Ability to choose between OUT-esque, faithful extended and directors cut extended versions of scenes via seamless branching (OUT-esque has the original emperor and boba fett. "Bring my shuttle" and its audio cue are removed, as well as all new shots of vader entering, flying in, and leaving his shuttle. Cloud City flyover transition is recut to resemble the OUT, but retains its SE effects. faithful extended has an Adywan Revisited style emperor (with the video reshot or redone in cgi if neccesary). It uses the old boba fett voice. "Bring my shuttle" and its audio cue are removed, as well as the new shots of vader entering and leaving his shuttle, but the shot of the shuttle flying to the Executor is kept, ala the adigitalman edit. Cloud City flyover transition is recut to resemble the OUT, but retains its SE effects. directors cut extended is basically the 2004/2011 special edition scenes in their proper order. This means 2004/2011 style emperor (with the video reshot or redone in cgi if neccesary), new boba fett voice, and all SE shots are kept in the same order and length as the 2004/2011 SE.


Disc 5: ROTJ OUT

  • 1983 70mm surround and 35mm stereo mixes. I don't think the SE's added any new sounds worth noting so a new mix won't be made.
  • Special Features: Deleted scenes (all of the original deleted scenes)


Disc 6: ROTJ Final Cut

  • New lossless sound mix based off 2011 elements (for the most part) (Before you ask, this does not include Vader's NOOOoooo!)
  • redone CGI to look less dated and fit better with source material
  • Ability to choose between OUT-esque, faithful extended and directors cut extended versions of scenes via seamless branching (OUT-esque has Napti Nek, Yub Nub, original Anakin ghost, no blinking ewoks, and um... pretty much only the SE fixes would be included here (and maybe the beak of the sarlacc). Faithful extended would keep all of the changes of OUT-esque verson except for showing the slave dancer land in the sarlacc pit and the 97se celebration scene (which may or may not include the jedi temple). Directors cut extended would pretty much be like the 2004 SE's, though having Hayden Christensen as ghost may or may not be doable (wasn't it recorded in 1080p like ep2 and ep3?)


I may have forgotten a few things, but this seems about right.

So basically it would be the OUT and three variations of the special editions, designed to please as many people as possible.

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What I think will really happen is that the original films will be restored,and put on dvd/blu ray with some special features. Only 1 version of each film.

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CatBus said:

Which really indicates the need for a term for people who call themselves Star Wars fans, but who aren't in fact fans of the Star Wars trilogy, since the term "Star Wars fan" is already taken by those who are.  Too many Star Warses.

 What about...Annies?

You could call fans of the trilogy Old Bens. =P

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CatBus said:

JediZombie said:

I doubt casual fans care one way or the other. 

Many casual fans, particularly younger ones, have never seen the original Star Wars trilogy.  Which really indicates the need for a term for people who call themselves Star Wars fans, but who aren't in fact fans of the Star Wars trilogy, since the term "Star Wars fan" is already taken by those who are.  Too many Star Warses.

If you showed the OOT to these "fans", how do you know that they would dislike it?

JediZombie said:

I doubt casual fans care one way or the other. 

Thank you! This is what I've been trying to say!

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A common misconception that I think has been unaddressed in most places is that people who are unaware of the SE v. OT debate are going to refuse to buy the original trilogy. The fact that it's  an OUT release for the first time in almost 20 years (I don't count the GOUT) will get everyone who wants the unaltered versions but accepts the SE versions, as well as everyone like us who hates the current SE, to purchase the new release. Anyone who doesn't know anything about it isn't going to say, "Oh, this is the original version, I don't want that I want the one where the CGI dinosaur walks in front of the screen." The argument that "everyone who grew up with the SE knows that as their version of Star Wars," is also invalid because we were all pretty excited when the SE came out, and we knew the original as our version. Also, the argument that most people don't care about the new changes goes both ways because anyone who doesn't care about added CGI is not going to care about the added CGI's mysterious disappearance either. My point is, some people seem to think that because a lot of people are used to the SE, they will for some reason be offended by the OUT, and I just don't think that's the case, because most of the changes are just really stupid, and no one will be devastated by their removal.

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moviefreakedmind said:

A common misconception that I think has been unaddressed in most places is that people who are unaware of the SE v. OT debate are going to refuse to buy the original trilogy. The fact that it's  an OUT release for the first time in almost 20 years (I don't count the GOUT) will get everyone who wants the unaltered versions but accepts the SE versions, as well as everyone like us who hates the current SE, to purchase the new release. Anyone who doesn't know anything about it isn't going to say, "Oh, this is the original version, I don't want that I want the one where the CGI dinosaur walks in front of the screen." The argument that "everyone who grew up with the SE knows that as their version of Star Wars," is also invalid because we were all pretty excited when the SE came out, and we knew the original as our version. Also, the argument that most people don't care about the new changes goes both ways because anyone who doesn't care about added CGI is not going to care about the added CGI's mysterious disappearance either. My point is, some people seem to think that because a lot of people are used to the SE, they will for some reason be offended by the OUT, and I just don't think that's the case, because most of the changes are just really stupid, and no one will be devastated by their removal.

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Re: Casual fans either don't know, don't care, or prefer the SE's.

People will want what Disney tells them to want, and buy what Disney tells them to buy.

As I said previously, Disney does nostalgia better than anyone else. If they release the UOT, they will have everyone who was ever even remotely been a fan of these movies wondering how they've lived so long without the original versions. And everyone who has never seen them wondering what they've been missing. Trust me, it will be a vintage, online, social networking, retro Star Wars phenomena.  Once the Mouse marketing machine kicks in, everyone is going to know what UOT is and why they have to have it. It will be the cool thing to have, like a vintage 1978 Rush T-Shirt worn by a millennial.

No one here needs to worry about people wanting these things.