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ROTS: Palpatine's Master

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OK, so as I read around, it seems that everyone, or at least a majority, has assumed that when Palpatine tells his story about the guy bringing people back from the dead, that that guy was actually Palpatine’s master and the apprentice who killed him was Palpatine himself.

Where the crap did that conclusion come from? Did I miss something? At first I thought it was just some people who conjectured it as “likely”, which it is, I guess. But now it’s popping up everywhere in a bunch of different threads.

All I remember hearing is that there is a story about a Sith Lord so powerful that he could … blah blah blah.

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It's the only connection Palpatine mentions with the Sith, even vague as it was. So one must asume he was talking about his former master. Yet, I feel details such as who was Palpie's master and the whole Qui-Gon thing were not fully answered so that fans could argue about it for the following 20 years...
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If you watch the scene again, check out Palpatine's face when he's telling the story and the way he says the lines.

I didn't catch it the first time either, but if you pay attention you can see the way Ian McDiarmid and Lucas meant for it to be taken.
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This, like the possible "parenthood" of Anakin are definitely left up for interpretation. However, I agree that Ian played this so that you'd think Palpatine was the killer. That said, some earlier objections were raised about why the Jedi would keep this from Anakin, if the Jedi didn't know the Sith were around at that time or know the story. Overanalysis at its finest. Palpatine is using all types of deceit throughout this movie to lure Anakin to the Dark Side and pit him against the Jedi. The Jedi aren't hiding anything from him. They're actually quite upfront about their motives for putting him on the council. "Lies, deceit, creating mistrust" are the ways of the Sith.

For that matter, it's possible the story of Darth Plagueis creating life can be a total B.S. story Palpatine is throwing at Anakin, knowing Anakin's desire to keep those dear to him from dying. His mother (whom he told the story to) and now Padme, to whom he now senses Anakin's connection.
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I thought it was pretty obvious from the way Palps told the story that he was reffering to himself and his master. Hmm..

Darths tend to have their name mean something about them. Darth Sidious is insidious, Darth Maul is a great fighter, Darth Nihilus (from KoToR) sucks in all life but does not consciously exist as a person any more.

Darth Vader... Vader is Dutch for father and Vader is Luke's father.

All that to wonder: what was Darth Plagus' Sith Theme? Plagues?

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Yes, when Palps tells the tale of Plagueous and gets to the part about his apprentice killing him in his sleep, he looks forward and grins an evil, knowing sort of grin. I (and most people it seems) took this as an indication that it was Palps that killed his master after he had learned all he could.

Of course, with no indication from Lucas, it *could* only have meant that Palps just really admired Plagueous' apprentice for what he did. It is just a matter of interpretaion though.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Yes, when Palps tells the tale of Plagueous and gets to the part about his apprentice killing him in his sleep, he looks forward and grins an evil, knowing sort of grin. I (and most people it seems) took this as an indication that it was Palps that killed his master after he had learned all he could.

Of course, with no indication from Lucas, it *could* only have meant that Palps just really admired Plagueous' apprentice for what he did. It is just a matter of interpretaion though.


I never thought of it that way... That could clear up a few debates. If Palpatine didn't know how to create life, then that makes the argument of Palpatine creating Anakin completely bunk.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab

Darth Vader... Vader is Dutch for father and Vader is Luke's father.


Remember that is *could* mean INVADER as well, though Lucas later states (I think) what you said about 'father'

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All that to wonder: what was Darth Plagus' Sith Theme? Plagues?


Plague=disease=power over life and death?
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Actually I think Palpatine was being truthfull about his master (Plagueous) and about saving life. Bear with me on this:

No doubt he had something to do with Grievous still being alive after his ship was blown up. Granted he's mostly machine, but he's still alive. Same with Vadar. When Anakin was burned and lying by the lava pit, Sideous did the 6 Million Dollar Sith operation on him and he was able to live. Even though Anakin's pure hate at that point kept him alive for so long, ultimately he would have died had Sideous not shown up to save him.

That being said, when Anakin choked Padme (and that's still the excuse I'm going with for why she died, not the broken heart story), she died on the delivery table as a result. Once he came to in full Vadar gear, and the Emperor informed him that he killed her, the Emperor had not broken his promise. I think the whole time he was being truthful in a sense. Saving her life would have meant making her into a machine, but it was truthful nonetheless. But then again, had he not been brought over to the dark side, Padme wouldn't have died in the first place.

I could be way off, but that's how I took it.
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
Sideous did the 6 Million Dollar Sith operation on him


Heh, that's funny. That's what my friend said when he first saw that scene.
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If I'm right MagnoliaFan touched on this in another thread, but in the novel, Anakin runs in on Palpatine and Mace a bit earlier and Anakin asks if Plageous actually existed. Palpatine says he did, that he was his former master before he killed him. It's also apparrent in McDeirmid's wonderful performence. The look on his face suggests memory and not just storytelling.


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So Darth Tyrannus (Count Dooku) = Tryany
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I think if you read the Plagueis Novel, it would seem to me that Plagueis is his master.