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ROTS Extras: CGI TPM Yoda — Page 3
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Originally posted by: Number20
CGI has made Lucas not try as hard on aspects as the storyline, but I think another aspect of it is that he has basically bought into his own "greatness" hype. He seems to feel he needs to listen to the actors/directors/other production people less, because if he came up with it, it has to be good. Combine this with a surrounding of the same "yes" people, and you have a show driven by only one person. If ESB was made today, I doubt we would hear the famous lines:
Leia: I love you
Han: I know
Lucas doesn't tolerate changes to "his vision" like he once did. The movies are weaker as a result.
CGI has made Lucas not try as hard on aspects as the storyline, but I think another aspect of it is that he has basically bought into his own "greatness" hype. He seems to feel he needs to listen to the actors/directors/other production people less, because if he came up with it, it has to be good. Combine this with a surrounding of the same "yes" people, and you have a show driven by only one person. If ESB was made today, I doubt we would hear the famous lines:
Leia: I love you
Han: I know
Lucas doesn't tolerate changes to "his vision" like he once did. The movies are weaker as a result.
I think that CG has also hampered his character development. He used to communicate all his ideas and 'visions' through a human medium, who would then go and sketch his characters, and then they would keep going back and forth with these characters until they were satisfied with the end result. I think if he had CG today and he made ANH for the first time, we would have ended up with Han Solo looking like Greedo among other weird crap.
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Originally posted by: Number20
...but I think another aspect of it is that he has basically bought into his own "greatness" hype. He seems to feel he needs to listen to the actors/directors/other production people less, because if he came up with it, it has to be good. Combine this with a surrounding of the same "yes" people, and you have a show driven by only one person.
...but I think another aspect of it is that he has basically bought into his own "greatness" hype. He seems to feel he needs to listen to the actors/directors/other production people less, because if he came up with it, it has to be good. Combine this with a surrounding of the same "yes" people, and you have a show driven by only one person.
Could this perhaps had lead to the three stooges style droids in Sith? Where did that come from? Did the Super Battle Droids act like that in AotC? I just can't believe enough people thought that was a good idea that it ended up in the final cut! I just saw Sith for the first time since the theatre, when I was trying really hard to like it... Watching it at home, not trying so hard to like it, those droids annoyed me even more. I couldn't believe how stupid that was...
Anyways, too many yes men.
Xhonzi
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
And, as I've said here many times... it's an even bigger shame that they are not replacing Yoda in the OT as well.
And, as I've said here many times... it's an even bigger shame that they are not replacing Yoda in the OT as well.
This is why you're a troll.
Not for saying it once. Not for saying it twice. Not for saying it ten times. But somewhere around the 100th time... *POOF* you became a troll.
Congratulations.
Everyone now knows your opinion. Would you be so kind as to not bring it up again?
Besides, I thought you were banned?
Xhonzi
Sorry, folks. Feeding time is over. I have made my peace. I will keep it to myself.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
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There, that might leave you with something to think about.
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Oh, wait, why do I even have to ask?
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I say it becuase it REALLY bugs me that he doesn't want to do CG Yoda in the OT. I suppose I should call you a troll for the many, many times I'm sure you've said something along the lines of: "I want the OT on DVD!" or "The prequels suck," or "Lucas can't write scripts," or "I can't stand the special editions/2004 versions."
There, that might leave you with something to think about.
Actually, since this is a sight called OriginalTrilogy.com (why do we need to keep reminding you of this???) those sort of comments are what people come here to share. Comments along the lines of, "I don't like the original trilogy." or "I think Lucas should just keep changing them." are just baiting people to reply in all sorts of nasty ways.
Let's look at the Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, shall we?
troll
An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds
I say it becuase it REALLY bugs me that he doesn't want to do CG Yoda in the OT. I suppose I should call you a troll for the many, many times I'm sure you've said something along the lines of: "I want the OT on DVD!" or "The prequels suck," or "Lucas can't write scripts," or "I can't stand the special editions/2004 versions."
There, that might leave you with something to think about.
Actually, since this is a sight called OriginalTrilogy.com (why do we need to keep reminding you of this???) those sort of comments are what people come here to share. Comments along the lines of, "I don't like the original trilogy." or "I think Lucas should just keep changing them." are just baiting people to reply in all sorts of nasty ways.
Let's look at the Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, shall we?
troll
An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds
What do you think?
Xhonzi
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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Deformed puppet forever!!!
(DPF)
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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Frank Oz's best work (ROTJ and ESB) will go untouched.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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film isn't perfect, and tampering with it isn't going to make it that way.
That's sort of silly. The idea that art isn't malleable seems to be a recent occurrence, and I don't understand it. Can anyone pinpoint the widespread acceptance of the idea that you can't EVER go back to a work of art after you're done with it? It seemed to happen sometime in the 90's. And this shit puppet seems to be the PERFECT justification for the idea of going back, as NOBODY liked it. What he's replacing it with at least has mostly positive word. Seems to make sense to me.
And expressing the idea that tampering with film isn't EVER going to help seems ironic on a board that's now more known for it's fan-edits than it's preservation ideal.
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Being that TPM was the first Star Wars movie you ever saw, by your own account, you simply don't, won't and can't understand.
Being that TPM was the first Star Wars movie you ever saw, by your own account, you simply don't, won't and can't understand.
Of course I can't. In this case, I see the whole picture. Seeing TPM then ANH made me accept all six as one story, rather than looking at them from an OT purist point of view. I guess you could say seeing TPM and then ANH forced me to accept it all. No, I'll probably never understand your point of view, because when I saw TPM, star wars was all new to me, just as you'll never see mine because when you saw ANH, star wars was new to you. The thing was, I saw I, IV, V, VI in a short amont of time, while you saw IV,V,VI, and had to wait 20 years for I, which involved building up incredible expectations like reading the thrawn trilogy and wanting to see Vader in the suit running around killing jedi for the entire PT, whuile that would lack a decent story, which is exactly what the OT has. Ironic.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Of course I can't. In this case, I see the whole picture. Seeing TPM then ANH made me accept all six as one story, rather than looking at them from an OT purist point of view. I guess you could say seeing TPM and then ANH forced me to accept it all. No, I'll probably never understand your point of view, because when I saw TPM, star wars was all new to me, just as you'll never see mine because when you saw ANH, star wars was new to you. The thing was, I saw I, IV, V, VI in a short amont of time, while you saw IV,V,VI, and had to wait 20 years for I, which involved building up incredible expectations like reading the thrawn trilogy and wanting to see Vader in the suit running around killing jedi for the entire PT, whuile that would lack a decent story, which is exactly what the OT has. Ironic.
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Being that TPM was the first Star Wars movie you ever saw, by your own account, you simply don't, won't and can't understand.
Being that TPM was the first Star Wars movie you ever saw, by your own account, you simply don't, won't and can't understand.
Of course I can't. In this case, I see the whole picture. Seeing TPM then ANH made me accept all six as one story, rather than looking at them from an OT purist point of view. I guess you could say seeing TPM and then ANH forced me to accept it all. No, I'll probably never understand your point of view, because when I saw TPM, star wars was all new to me, just as you'll never see mine because when you saw ANH, star wars was new to you. The thing was, I saw I, IV, V, VI in a short amont of time, while you saw IV,V,VI, and had to wait 20 years for I, which involved building up incredible expectations like reading the thrawn trilogy and wanting to see Vader in the suit running around killing jedi for the entire PT, whuile that would lack a decent story, which is exactly what the OT has. Ironic.
I gave the movie every chance, I personally think its crap and a wasted opportunity, that is not because of the Thrawn Trilogy, waiting 16 years, or wanting to see Darth Vader run round with a lightsaber its the question of the quality and it is not there for me.
The irony for me is the fan-editors on here have made the film better and more entertaining in my opinion than Lucas' Thetarical/DVD version by changing elements, the pace of the film by cutting out the junk without the resources available to Lucas.
I couldnt wait for Prequels to start, I was so excited and wanted to be as good if not better than the Classic Trilogy, and this film appeared, i waited all this time, and thought what a load of rubbish!!! after seeing it, and nostalgia/Classic Trilogy bias has nothing to do with it by that account I wouldnt like Revenge of the Sith
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