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It sounds more like an altered version of the Emperor's death scream from Jedi than Mark Hamill.
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Well, I have never seen or heard the scream before, but if it's true that's fine. I just don't see the reason why he changed it twice in the Special Edition and in the 2004 Edition. And I agree, it does sound pretty much like the Emperor's scream in ROTJ.

Anyway, but I just think that we probably have to expect a "Special Edition" of the Prequel Trilogy as well. Maybe when the 3-D Versions come out. Who knows. It's no wonder Star Wars is one of the most successful films. Look how many times he re-released it and everytime it brought him money.

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Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.
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Originally posted by: Robi-Wan Kenobi
Well, I have never seen or heard the scream before, but if it's true that's fine. I just don't see the reason why he changed it twice in the Special Edition and in the 2004 Edition. And I agree, it does sound pretty much like the Emperor's scream in ROTJ.


Just curious. If you've never seen or heard the scream before, then how do you know it sounds like the Emperor's scream?

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I just have this to say....I watched that hosen Ones documentary and when It went form Hayden to Yoda I absolutely in now way at the time noticed it was a CGI Yoda in a Phantom Menace scene. This is either because I am o damn used to seeing the CGI Yoda from watching the prequels as of late or that it simply just....worked. I felt retarded that I didn't notice it at all the first time but then realised that they've done such a damn decent job (despite taking away Franks only real puppeting role in the prequels) that now it just seems best that way. I say congratulations ILM for pretty much faking me into thinking i've seen something multiple times before that I really hadn't.


But in general, after all that, if they don't go and fix the AotC yoda to look good (or all that CGI while they are on this whole binge) I'l actually be pissed. If unnecissarily fixing yoda is a priority there and not fixing shitty CG from a whole movie slips by them then......goddamn. But is Lucas so....whatever.....I give up.

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Originally posted by: JarHead413
But in general, after all that, if they don't go and fix the AotC yoda to look good (or all that CGI while they are on this whole binge) I'l actually be pissed. If unnecissarily fixing yoda is a priority there and not fixing shitty CG from a whole movie slips by them then......goddamn. But is Lucas so....whatever.....I give up.

While I would have put it more eloquently, I agree. The RotS Yoda is nearly flawless, it would be a shame if the AotC Yoda was not updated (as TPM Yoda has been) to that standard.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Robi-Wan Kenobi
Well, I have never seen or heard the scream before, but if it's true that's fine. I just don't see the reason why he changed it twice in the Special Edition and in the 2004 Edition. And I agree, it does sound pretty much like the Emperor's scream in ROTJ.


Just curious. If you've never seen or heard the scream before, then how do you know it sounds like the Emperor's scream?


Haha, I meant that I've not heard the scream before the Special Edition. Of course I've heard it in the SE. One of the earlier posts just said that it was there in some old empire trailer. Anyway, I just watched my SEs again. It's definitely the Emperor...
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
Originally posted by: JarHead413
But in general, after all that, if they don't go and fix the AotC yoda to look good (or all that CGI while they are on this whole binge) I'l actually be pissed. If unnecissarily fixing yoda is a priority there and not fixing shitty CG from a whole movie slips by them then......goddamn. But is Lucas so....whatever.....I give up.

While I would have put it more eloquently, I agree. The RotS Yoda is nearly flawless, it would be a shame if the AotC Yoda was not updated (as TPM Yoda has been) to that standard.


And, as I've said here many times... it's an even bigger shame that they are not replacing Yoda in the OT as well.
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
Originally posted by: JarHead413
But in general, after all that, if they don't go and fix the AotC yoda to look good (or all that CGI while they are on this whole binge) I'l actually be pissed. If unnecissarily fixing yoda is a priority there and not fixing shitty CG from a whole movie slips by them then......goddamn. But is Lucas so....whatever.....I give up.

While I would have put it more eloquently, I agree. The RotS Yoda is nearly flawless, it would be a shame if the AotC Yoda was not updated (as TPM Yoda has been) to that standard.


AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! Stop encouraging them to change stuff! Especially with the reasoning that it needs to match up with something else! That's when we get into the endless cycle of updating digital effects everytime a new "breakthrough" happens. You update TPM and AOTC, then the one from ROTS is the old one, and it'll need updating. So then that one will look better than the other two, so, whoops, time to update again. Make it stop!

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I don't want to start that conversation again, Adam.

Anyway, it took me completely by surprise when I saw it, and I thought, at first, that it was from AotC, until I realised that he didn't say that line in that movie. As much as I hated TPM Yoda, it's going to take more than that change before I would even consider buying TPM SE.
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I just love the look of CG compared to the older effects. It's more fluid. I like and encourage all of the the changes he has made (except Greedo shooting first).
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I'd buy TPM SE not even for the fact they're swapping out that shitpoor Yoda Puppet with the bug eyes and the bulb nose, but for the hope they'll finally do a re-transfer that color-times the film to get that weird purple tinge out of every shot, and rids the DVD of the excessive Edge Enhancement that currently makes the disc a little hard to watch on a big screen or projection display. I know I can't be the only one that sees frames of TPM up against all the other Star Wars movies and notices every shot seems to have this purplish cast to it.

One of the earlier posts just said that it was there in some old empire trailer. Anyway, I just watched my SEs again. It's definitely the Emperor...


But...if the scream was originally intended to be Luke's, and was in an old trailer for Empire (which I'm doubtful of, but I do know theatrically, that scream did show up in some mixes for ESB) then how can it be "The Emperor's" scream if it was created and implemented for Luke to use almost 3 years before anyone knew the Emperor was gonna get thrown down a shaft?



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CGI is just not quite where I want it to be yet.

Take a look at 'Sith' when Yoda rubs the top of his head - the movement is slow and deliberate. It isn't photo-realistic at all.

Look, I know the arguments for both sides, but when I was in Florida at MGM Studios and I reached across the barrier in the movie props warehouse and touched the gaming table from the Falcon, that was touching history and I would've cried if I wasn't all tough and manly (*cough*).

What am I going to do next? Will I reach across a barrier and touch Rob Coleman's old computer that has Yoda stored on it?
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First off, I could care less what he does with the prequel movies because I know at least I have the originals i can watch if I don't like changes. The OT is a different story as we all very well know. Second, us talking about this isn't encouraging anyone. Nothing we say is gonna make him change or not change things, the petition is the only effective thing we really have....and the fan edits we can discuss amongst ourselves.

Bizzle: You should post some captions of this purple thing. I myself haven't noticed it, are you sure your TV is calibrated. ( isuppose it won't show up the same on a moniter but...yeah)

Cassidy: I agree with you on his movements...they don't flow even that closely to what a person (you know what I mean) might look like doing that. Alsmot like he planned he was gonna do that way ahead of time and had to pull it off just right or something. They shoulda used motion capturing for way more things becsause that really helps show little nuances in movement that make things seem real (like thos clone troopers outside the temple when organa lands). As for photorealism, thats way different than movement (at least in my book but i get what you mean) I think it looks damn good for the most part except that it doesn't seem like he's making contact with his head.

And the prequels will never hold the same power of OT in its creation because like you said, their isn't anything you can really do to make it more real for you like touching that table or seeing any of the colest "props" because...they do not and will never exist. Lightsabers, costumes, and limited set pieces except for TPM (way less CG, more real that the others) are all on a fucking hardrive and........that pisses me off bad.

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LOL. Yeah, I'm sure my monitor and my projector are both calibrated just fine. Seriously, it becomes REALLY evident when you see footage from AOTC or ROTS bumped DIRECTLY against footage from TPM. It's not like you're watching it through a purple gel or something, it's not like Prince has taken over your TV, but all the same, there's a ruddiness to the skin tone that shouldn't be there, and a sort of very, VERY faint lavender overcast to the whole movie.

It looks VERY different, and I don't think it's just because it was shot on film and the other two prequels were shot on video.

I also don't mind that a lot of the sets and props reside on a hard drive, because whether a movie works or not with those tools, is totally different from me going on a nostalgia trip in a museum. One is different than the other.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.


Am I the only one who DIDN'T like the Padme's parents house scene? It was completely extraneous. I, for one, don't care enough for Padme's character to even want to know what her parents and house looks like, which is really the only purpose that scene serves. Any important knowledge of her family (which there is none) could have simply been disclosed in the dialogue. It serves no romantic purpose, either, it's just a boring tour of a Naboo-ian house. In fact, this kind of approach reminds me of the Holiday Special - a day in the life of a Wookie family.

Yep, not a fan. Glad Lucas left it out.
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Same here. There's maybe ONE scene they could have kept in, the one where she's in the kitchen and her sister is razzing her, but other than that, most of those Naboo scenes should have been chopped. Hell, the IMAX edit of AOTC shows half the scenes that actually MADE the movie should have been chopped, too.
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.


Am I the only one who DIDN'T like the Padme's parents house scene? It was completely extraneous. I, for one, don't care enough for Padme's character to even want to know what her parents and house looks like, which is really the only purpose that scene serves. Any important knowledge of her family (which there is none) could have simply been disclosed in the dialogue. It serves no romantic purpose, either, it's just a boring tour of a Naboo-ian house. In fact, this kind of approach reminds me of the Holiday Special - a day in the life of a Wookie family.

Yep, not a fan. Glad Lucas left it out.


Padme has exactly the same importance as Anakin, Luke, Leia. I don't get why everyone wants to move away her story from the movies. They give them more depth. And, as for the holiday special, that's exactly reason I'm as obsessed with it as I am.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.


Am I the only one who DIDN'T like the Padme's parents house scene? It was completely extraneous. I, for one, don't care enough for Padme's character to even want to know what her parents and house looks like, which is really the only purpose that scene serves. Any important knowledge of her family (which there is none) could have simply been disclosed in the dialogue. It serves no romantic purpose, either, it's just a boring tour of a Naboo-ian house. In fact, this kind of approach reminds me of the Holiday Special - a day in the life of a Wookie family.

Yep, not a fan. Glad Lucas left it out.


Padme has exactly the same importance as Anakin, Luke, Leia. I don't get why everyone wants to move away her story from the movies. They give them more depth. And, as for the holiday special, that's exactly reason I'm as obsessed with it as I am.


Ahhh, no. Perhaps if Lucas was *successful* in portraying his characters with any kind of depth, and if the actors could act (okay, I'll cut Ewen, Liam, and Ian some slack), then *MAYBE* I would care. But the fact is, we didn't get a tour of Han's house, Leia's house, yada yada yada. We saw Luke's house with his Aunt and Uncle, and Obi-wan's hovel, but guess what? It was actually important to the plot.
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i liked those scenes if only because it kind of grounded anakin and padmes relationship instead of it being so 'out there'
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Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: theredbaron
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Myself, I seriously would want the rebellion scenes back into ROTS. He is a fool for not adding them in. They tie together the plot elements VERY well. AOTC needs the Padme's parents house scenes back in as well.


Am I the only one who DIDN'T like the Padme's parents house scene? It was completely extraneous. I, for one, don't care enough for Padme's character to even want to know what her parents and house looks like, which is really the only purpose that scene serves. Any important knowledge of her family (which there is none) could have simply been disclosed in the dialogue. It serves no romantic purpose, either, it's just a boring tour of a Naboo-ian house. In fact, this kind of approach reminds me of the Holiday Special - a day in the life of a Wookie family.

Yep, not a fan. Glad Lucas left it out.


Padme has exactly the same importance as Anakin, Luke, Leia. I don't get why everyone wants to move away her story from the movies. They give them more depth. And, as for the holiday special, that's exactly reason I'm as obsessed with it as I am.


Ahhh, no. Perhaps if Lucas was *successful* in portraying his characters with any kind of depth, and if the actors could act (okay, I'll cut Ewen, Liam, and Ian some slack), then *MAYBE* I would care. But the fact is, we didn't get a tour of Han's house, Leia's house, yada yada yada. We saw Luke's house with his Aunt and Uncle, and Obi-wan's hovel, but guess what? It was actually important to the plot.


You must remember that all of these movies are based on 30's-40's cliches and the acting isn't SUPPOSED to be THAT great. (Though Ian was brilliant in his portrayal of pure evil in a living form.)
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
the truth is the prequels cannot hold a candle to the magic and mythology of the original trilogy 1977-1983.

Cgi has allowed lucas to get sloppy and lazy, not make better films, but of course that is my opinion.



I agree with what are saying 100%,

The magic and the myth making which made the Classic Trilogy so great, and such timeless classics, all those years ago, was missing from the Prequels

and being able to use CGI has probably allowed Lucas to become sloppy and lazy and the end results, depends on ones opinion of Prequels, but to me and most on here would probably agree, it has not helped George make better films.

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CGI has made Lucas not try as hard on aspects as the storyline, but I think another aspect of it is that he has basically bought into his own "greatness" hype. He seems to feel he needs to listen to the actors/directors/other production people less, because if he came up with it, it has to be good. Combine this with a surrounding of the same "yes" people, and you have a show driven by only one person. If ESB was made today, I doubt we would hear the famous lines:
Leia: I love you
Han: I know

Lucas doesn't tolerate changes to "his vision" like he once did. The movies are weaker as a result.