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ROTJ is the best Star Wars film... discuss! — Page 40

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Scott109 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks

Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.

Did Jabba the Hutt seem particularly strong-minded to you? He was a stupid ogre.

Obviously he had enough brains to become as respected and fearded as he was.

Not enough people read the EU.

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Scott109 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks

Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.

Did Jabba the Hutt seem particularly strong-minded to you? He was a stupid ogre.

Well you don’t become a crime lord (or last as one) by being stupid, that is for sure.

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Scott109 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Scott109 said:
I scoff at the notion that Jabba the Hutt would be immune to Jedi mind tricks

Obi-Wan said that mind tricks only worked on the weak minded.

Did Jabba the Hutt seem particularly strong-minded to you?

I think the negotiation with Leia when she’s masquerading as a Bounty Hunter shows his will is strong.

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Just because he is a fat slug, doesn’t mean he’s stupid.

You don’t become a crime lord by being dumb.

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TESB IS RTHE BESRT MOBIE EVER WHO EVER DISAGREES IS A MORION WHO PROPABLY LIKES THE PREQUELS.

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So Return of the Jedi is my favorite despite a couple of things. I think the 2nd Death Star was a bad plot point and I think the movie doesn’t give enough for Leia and Han Solo to do. Outside of that I have no real criticisms as I don’t mind the Ewoks. Obviously everyone has said that the Emperor and Jabba scenes make the movie a lot better and I tend to agree. The reason this edges out Empire is that Empire, while basically being good all the way through, doesn’t reach the highs of Jedi for me personally. So they’re very close but I’d pick Jedi just for the moments where Luke is being a complete badass and Jabba and the Emperor are being great additions to Star Wars. Also that space battle at the end is awesome. I can’t imagine getting to watch that as a kid.

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It says that we understand there’s no way a bunch of Ewoks should be able to take down an entire Legion of the Emperor’s best troops.

They should have had blasters and just helped buy the Rebels some time. Would have worked a lot better.

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Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:

It says that we understand there’s no way a bunch of Ewoks should be able to take down an entire Legion of the Emperor’s best troops.

They should have had blasters and just helped buy the Rebels some time. Would have worked a lot better.

But … the Ewoks did that, right? I mean they kept the Empire busy due to their guerilla (home field) advantage and at least one Ewok …

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… had a blaster 😉

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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Pretty sure the Ewok stole that from a stormtrooper he took out with a rock or bow and arrow though.

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And more to the point, he never used it.

If Apes can use guns, why can’t Ewoks?

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A small part of me is happy to know that George’s TV Ewoks were all failures, at least.

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I tried to watch the first ewok movie with my nephew. After 10 minutes he was “where are the others ? I don’t like it, where is Luke, Anakin, Chewie ?”. And he’s 4 and a half.

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I don’t know why people would hate ROTJ. It finishes the OT, and has a nice array of characters, battles, comedy and no Hayden Christensen (well until George mucked it all up).

Reminds me of another Trilogy, the Godfather Trilogy. Not a lot of people like the 3rd movie. It may not be as perfect as 1 or 2, but it finishes the story and has variety of characters and great music like the other 2.
Didn’t want to “spoil” it, just in case some people here haven’t seen it yet.

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I don’t hate it but it’s by far the weakest of the OT.

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It had the best space battle of any of the Original Trilogy, and I was young enough when it first came out that I loved the Ewoks.

We also have a confident and capable Luke who isn’t whining so that’s also something else that this movie had over the others.

Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

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Return of the Jedi was my favorite when I was a little kid. Star Wars was the “boring” one, Empire Strikes Back was the “scary” one, and Jedi was the one I watched over and over again.

When I became a teenager and young man, I found that Empire became my favorite. Maybe because it was “darker” or seemed more real. Jedi slipped to #2–I still loved it, and it didn’t drop because it fell out of favor; but rather, I found myself just liking Empire Strikes Back more and more. Star Wars was still the boring one, but it got better with age and time.

As a grown adult, I look at these films from a dramatic and craftsmanship point of view. Empire Strikes Back is still the best and continues to grow in esteem as time passes, both for the enhanced depth and complexity of the characters and emotions involved, as well as the sheer excellence in execution of all filmmaking crafts. The script, the camerawork, the direction, the acting, the score, the set and costume designs, the casting, and on and on, the people involved in making Empire got every last creative ounce out of each and every scene. And then they stood back and asked, “how can we make this even better?” It is the little things mis-en-scene in Empire that make it, as Roger Ebert once said, a near perfect movie of its kind, and one of the most visionary and inventive films of all time.

Return of the Jedi also has a very strong and compelling narrative to tell, and in parts, that story is executed and brought to screen with nearly as much skill. There is nothing more fun in any Star Wars film than the fight on Jabba’s sail barge. The technical effects created in Jabba’s puppetry and the speeder bike chases on Endor and the space battle around Death Star 2 are still a sight to behold. The film’s camerawork is brilliant throughout.

And of course, the scenes between Luke and Vader and the Emperor are among the most emotionally compelling in the entire trilogy.

But unfortunately, Jedi has slipped to a distant #3 in my rankings, because it shows its prequel-era Lucas character at times. As good as the production values are in some aspects (which I mentioned) there are other scenes and sequences where Lucasfilm clearly cheaped out. There are of course the Ewoks, which at times range from endearing to bearable, but at other times turn the movie into an eye-rolling farce. And of course, the acting from the supporting case is probably the worst of all three films.

If I could sum up Jedi’s biggest flaw in one phrase, I would say it possesses at times a clear lack of restraint. And yet, even when Jedi is at its weakest, its heart and execution are still demonstrably better than anything offered in any of the five other films.

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I saw Jedi at the cinema on its release and thought it was the best film i’d ever seen at the time. The jabba’s palace,rancor scene was epic at that time and the vader,Luke and emperor moment was immense. How people can say this is below any of the newer films is beyond me. It is part of the OT and still the third best of the lot. Lastly the figures sold were amongst the most collectable at the time.

I’ll just leave this here, probably one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy.

https://youtu.be/YZ_j3s5xj8I

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IP55 said:

I saw Jedi at the cinema on its release and thought it was the best film i’d ever seen at the time. The jabba’s palace,rancor scene was epic at that time and the vader,Luke and emperor moment was immense. How people can say this is below any of the newer films is beyond me. It is part of the OT and still the third best of the lot. Lastly the figures sold were amongst the most collectable at the time.

I’ll just leave this here, probably one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy.

https://youtu.be/YZ_j3s5xj8I

Great thoughts on ROTJ, & of course, an amazing scene. Though, I have to wonder, if Luke didn’t chop off Vader’s mechano hand, would he have still been able to function “normally”? Immediately after Vader’s hand is lopped off, he starts to breath heavily. It’s quite possible the mechanism tied to his breathing apparatus was now compromised. Also, the Emperor’s Force Lightning didn’t help.

Anyways, here’s a nice scene with a great group of people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBrLHMCTDAA