//RETURNING TO JEDI\\: NTSC & PAL DVD — Page 53

Well, I made my post at their forum.  I really don't think it will get any replies though.  I guess we'll see.

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

zeppelinrox said:

The links for ifo fix from a couple of pages back are broken but I think that I will combine the miami with original extras, like how I did with Building Empire.

Go for it!

Just for grins, here's the PAL .IFO,s again, to go with demonoid .VOB,s
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 Heh :)

Well, it turns out things went pretty smoothly.

IFOUpdate merely updated the original DL PAL ifos with only chapters/cell info/navigation stuff from the demonoid miami ifos so the final ifos retained all the PAL info :D

Anyhoo it's all done and it's uploading to MultiUpload which is an uber cool service.

Boon started uploading his stuff there so that's how I came to know about it.

Basically, I upload to multiupload and 4 additional copies get uploaded to Rapidshare, MegaUpload, ZShare and HotFile. It can be 6 but I'm not bothering with uploading.com and depositfiles.com because they appear to suck rather large rocks.

Personally, I'd only download from the multiupload (appears as "directhttp" in jDownloader), MegaUpload and ZShare links as they are fast, wait time is negligible and all 3 support resuming. MultiUpload and ZShare also allow multiple downloading which is pretty freakin cool for free services.

Basically, a free user like myself can have jDownloader only use the links from those 3 services and max out their download bandwidth without a break until it's done.

I was able to download TMBTM's new Conan Man of War FE SL DVD in about 2 hrs. It could have been faster but I was figuring out a strategy on how to get jD to download from the 3 sites simultaneously in the most efficient manner LOL.

I selected RS and HF as additional sites because I know that alot of people pay for those services and what the heck, it's additional availablility for the same low price... ermm... free even. :D

I figure that it will be all done tomorrow sometime.

Wow!  Does this include a fixed NTSC?

I don't have access to Demonoid.  It's a shame that this has become such a problem.  Makes me wish I never brought it up, but at the same time, how could anyone know to fix it if I didn't?  Oh well.  I guess I just won't be watching or sharing RTJ anymore.  Yes, it's that annoying.

Mulitupload wasn't making the last few files available to download so I had deleted and reuploaded them serveral times.

But it finally worked and it's all online :)

It should be at fanedit.info soon but if you can't wait I can PM links if that's not against company policy ;)

I included an nfo file in the DVD_ROM folder (yeah, I simply based it on the BE nfo file, but what the heck), which  reads as follows:

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//Release Information// 
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Jambe Davdar’s: RETURNING TO JEDI: Miami Underground Film Festival COMPLETE DVD

DISC DETAILS

Type................: DVD Movie
Platform............: VIDEO_TS & DVD_ROM Folders
Video Format........: DVD/VOB/MPEG2/720x576/16:9/PAL 25fps
Audio Format........: Dolby Digital 2.0 (192 Kbps)
Size................: 4.57 GB

RELEASE DETAILS

Source..............: Multiple (see below)
Disc Creator[s].....: Jambe Davdar
Disc Assembly...... : ZeppelinRox

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//Featured Film//
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Jambe Davdar’s: RETURNING TO JEDI: Miami Underground Film Festival COMPLETE DVD

Duration: 2hr 28min main doco (total 2hrs 39 inc extras)
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 Anamorphic
Format: MPEG2 Video, 720 x 576 Anamorphic, PAL UK, 25fps,
DVD: Dual Layer 4.57GB
Data Rate: 3760 kbits/sec

Includes:
- 'Ugly as Sin' Teaser Trailer
- Trailer
- Revenge of the Jedi crawl
- Alternate Sail Barge music sequence
- Speederbike Storyboard comparison
- Easter Egg

A list of some of the resources used:

- 2004 DVD Supplemental Material
- 2006 OT DVD
- Laserdisc Supplementals
- Classic Creatures
- From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga
- Other official DVD extras (if you know of any ROTJ footage let me know)
- Teasers Trailers
- Photos of Sand storm deleted scene (anyone got hi-res versions)
- Comic Adaptations
- Radio Drama
- Skywalker (BBC Radio 1 Programme)
- NPR Richard Marquand Audio Interview
- Return of the Ewok
- Horizon, How to Film the Impossible
- ROTJ Soundtrack (previously unreleased music)
- BBC Interview - Jeremy Bulloch
- Ocpmovie's Classic Edition
- Original and Special Editions
- Annotated Screenplays Book
- Wonder Column in Space CD
- When Star Wars Ruled the World
- Rarities 1
- Lucasfilm Archives book
- Art of ROTJ Book
- Star Wars Chronicles book
- Empire Building book

Thanks so much to everyone who supported and provided during the making of this
project.

ENJOY!

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Posted by............: ZeppelinRox
Date Posted..........: September 7, 2010
Availability.........: MultiUpload (also RS, MU, ZShare and HotFile)

In this release you'll find:

1 - The VIDEO_TS and DVD_ROM folders
2 - The !ifo_back folder
2 - This NFO file - Please... Do Not Remove!

Notes from ZeppelinRox:

1. Since I'm a completist and like to have the latest and greatest, I combined
all the menus and extras, including the DVD-ROM folder (containing artwork),
from the original DL PAL DVD with the updated Miami Underground Film Festival
SL PAL DVD.

2. Of course, the IFOs have been updated - using IfoEdit.
I did add chapter points to match the last 2 chapters of the original release
at the start of the end credits and at the end of the credits (but before that
extra bit) - using VobBlanker's split cell and add chapter features.
Then I deleted the last 2 original chapter points that were just before and in
the middle of the end credits - using PgcEdit

3. The !ifo_back folder contains files with original chapters.
I included these files in the off chance that there is a problem with the new
chapter points that I made. I'm no IFO Guru so better safe than sorry :P
These files will also retain all the menus and extras.
So if there is a problem, back up the ifo files in the VIDEO_TS folder and
replace them with these files.

4. I did not shrink anything down so the quality here is, as far as I know, the
best that is available.
The downside is that it all does not quite fit on a single layer DVD.

If anyone can properly convert this to NTSC, please contact me.

I still plan on checking my version (I swear I heard no speedup when I watched it) but last night I got interrupted just as I popped it into my player...

OK will do JD.

I'm actually attempting to do an NTSC version.

Depending on how it goes, perhaps I can send both.

Thanks.  I eagerly await the results!

The DL PAL RTJ MUFF Edition is now up at fanedit.info

However, I'm thinking about re-encoding it to fit on a single layer dvd since it is only 4.57 gb.

I'd like to slightly sharpen the picture a bit while shrinking it down to 4.36 gb.

The reason that I'd like to do this is that I'm pretty happy with the image quality of the NTSC version that I'm working on:

Original Miami PAL encode:

My Miami NTSC encode (currently on cce pass 2 of 4 but was still able to take this snapshot):

For easy comparison, I had resized the PAL cap to the same dimension of the NTSC cap.

So... should I leave the Miami PAL alone or re-encode so it fits on a SL DVD?

Personally I don't care at this point, as long as I get an NTSC that is fixed, it's all good.  :)

Zeppelinrox, are you aware of the audio issue that was explained in this post?  Apparently, the audio for this project cannot simply be slowed down in the usual fashion owing to the way in which it was made. 

I'm just checking.  Sorry if you know this already! :-)

Thanks for the heads up :)

I did see that post before so I'm wanting to keep the same playback speed.

The problem I'm having is that I can't stand the ghosting/blended frames that many guides deliver and it doesn't help that the source is interlaced. Yadif gave jaggy edges and so did TDeint but not as bad as yadif and both lose too much detail where there is low ligjht.

CCE's deinterlacer is smooth and detail is good but too soft.

Finally I discovered TDeint's mode 2 parameter which is amazingly smooth, sharp and has great detail by combining detail from 2 frames via bobbing somehow.  I'm also testing its "tryMesh" parameter.

But bottom line is that the end result will have the same running time via ChangeFPS(23.976) and a pulldown. Dropping frames is better than ConvertFPS's ghosts, methinks. I did get feedback on a clip from a couple of guys, including JD, and playback is fine without jerkiness as far as they're concerned :)

However, I really wish there was a filter that would add 2 frames and delete 3 frames instead of just deleting a frame, which is how ChangeFPS works in this case. Of course, the 2 added frames would blend the usually deleted frame with it's adjacent frames and all 3 of those original frames would get deleted.

Actually, is there such a filter?

zeppelinrox said:  The problem I'm having is that I can't stand the ghosting/blended frames that many guides deliver and it doesn't help that the source is interlaced. 

Is it truly interlaced?  I supppose this must be the material that does not come from the film itself, because that is obviously not interlaced.  I am afraid that I am not likely to be much help.  I have never actually used Convertfps() or Changefps() to be honest!

Unfortuneately, yep, it's interlaced.

All apps report as interlaced, bottom field first.

It's quite obvious when I tested it by encoding a short clip without deinterlacing. It looked pretty bad.

I think that's why the DGPulldown technique resulting in a shimmering/vibrating/pulsating picture LOL

zeppelinrox said:

All apps report as interlaced, bottom field first.

It's quite obvious when I tested it by encoding a short clip without deinterlacing. It looked pretty bad.

I think that's why the DGPulldown technique resulting in a shimmering/vibrating/pulsating picture LOL

I agree with all of that.  Just for reference, don't rely on apps to tell you something is interlaced, as they usually just report how it is encoded.  It's best to look at the video.  :-)

Those shots Darth Mallwalker posted look pretty bad.  I don't think there's anything that can be done about that. :-(  I wonder what happened.  Perhaps the video was improperly deinterlaced and then reinterlaced somehow.

Looks like those frames were created via ConvertFPS which makes way too many blended frames even when going down to 23.976 fps from 25 fps.

I tested it and quickly said to hell with that filter.

Which is why I opted for ChangeFPS.

Whatever happened, it's gotta be impossible to undo such ghosting.

Zoinks!  I sure hope the final NTSC product, whether it's DL or SL, is salvageable!

Well you did get to see for yourself how it will playback. There won't be any addtional blended frames in the version that I will upload.

Sorry that its taking so long but I wanted to be sure to get as good a picture that I could get. Unfortunately it involved a lot of testing with CCE settings and avisynth filters after farting around with the MediaCoder/ffmpeg for too long.

The final avisynth scipt seems very simplistic but it took awhile to get the results I was looking for. I'm looking into possibly re-encoding the extras from the original PAL DVD as well instead of using the NTSC extras that are on the current SL version found at fanedit.info.

Here is the script that I'm using:

TDeint(Mode=2,Order=0,tryWeave=true)
Spline36Resize(720,480)
ChangeFPS(23.976)
limitedsharpenfaster()
converttoyuy2(interlaced=true)

If there is anything seriously wrong with it, such as stuff being in the wrong order, please let me know.

zeppelinrox said:

TDeint(Mode=2,Order=0,tryWeave=true)
Spline36Resize(720,480)
ChangeFPS(23.976)
limitedsharpenfaster()
converttoyuy2(interlaced=true)

I don't understand why you have put interlaced=true because it looks like you have deinterlaced it.  Also, may I ask why you have used ChangeFPS and not AssumeFPS?  I just don't understand. :-)

I really would post this over at Videohelp and ask manono or jagabo to have a look at it.  The source material seems really quite problematic.