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I wonder what it would be like watching a 35mm print of TMP.

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nalyom said:

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Hi everyone. I love ST:TMP(SLV) and I haven’t seen it since losing my vhs while moving to a new house. I would love to see this version again. I don’t know where on earth I can find it. I searched a few sites, and I don’t have usenet. But, I’m determined. So, if it’s out there, I’m going to find it! LOL. Hope everyone is having a good year so far.

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Pauln6 said:

Managed to get my VCR going again and had another watch of the SLV. It doesn’t drag at all for me. Even Kirk’s mysterious mighty morphing space suit is only one brief head shot before Spock floats back. Not insurmountable.

I like the background technobabble and computer voice but I think the voices are just a fraction too loud in most scenes. They compete too much with the main dialogue.

I wish Grace Lee Whitney had been present on the bridge for a bit in the second half of the movie. Even a couple of reaction shots during the V’Ger flyover would have elevated her appearance to be more noticeable. It’s also a shame she doesn’t come onto the bridge with Scotty and Chapel in the final scene. It would have been nice if they had all been present on the bridge at the same time.

I think a hybrid version of the DE is probably going to be the absolute pinnacle but I do love this version.

Die Hard is one of the best and most popular action movies of all time and I know people who still doesn’t realize he changes shirts halfway through the movie. Once they know, they don’t care. I watched ST TMP SLV for 2 decades without realizing Kirk’s suit changed.

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I never noticed the change of shirt or space suit. I think my standards are low.

The digital fixes to replace the scaffolding that have been on YouTube are pretty decent. Kirk’s face is basically pasted into the helmet so I reckon with enough dedication it would be possible to trim the scene where he catches Spock so that the suit close up matches the earlier scene.

I want to tweak the scene in Kirk’s quarters where he and McCoy are viewing Decker and Ilia to include Janice Rand just because I lament that she disappears completely from the second half of the movie.

I’ve already identified that there is a frame where McCoy exits the quarters in their earlier confrontation where you could easily paste a close up of Rand but Deepfake and Deep Video Portrait need to bed in a bit more before any attempt. There is dialogue from TOS appearances that could be added to pad out the scene, albeit logistically tricky:

Rand: “Can I get you something from the galley, Sir?”
Kirk: “Thank you.” [Balance of Terror]
Rand:“Do you suppose she knows?” [Miri]
McCoy: “Jim, she may not know or even remember.”[Spock’s Brain]
Kirk: “Its all we’ve got.” [Wrath of Khan]

It’s a largely pointless exchange since Kirk’s voice-over pretty much already tells us this but I just want Rand to be more visible than her tiny cameo at the start of the film and this underscores her previous role as Kirk’s assistant. It also looked easier than trying to paste her on the bridge during the V’Ger flyover. I have worked out that it would just about work to paste her exiting a Turbolift but the background in the transporter room is so dark, getting her hair to look natural is a problem.

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https://youtu.be/_rEOH_k8Oik

I experimented with the existing dialogue. If the technology to insert a viable avatar of Grace becomes available, I think I might be able to pull it off.

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Nearly two months have passed and we could not get an HD treatment for the SLV version of this movie out there.

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Nearly two months have passed and we could not get an HD treatment for the SLV version of this movie out there.

It’s so sad, isn’t it? For that to just be lost to the world is such a shame.

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We might be getting an official 40k anniversary release, although no word on which version. If it’s the DE,then we will get upgraded special effects for the first time.

In the meantime, must we abandon all hope of the HD SLV?

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deflickrd said:

Hi everyone. I love ST:TMP(SLV) and I haven’t seen it since losing my vhs while moving to a new house. I would love to see this version again. I don’t know where on earth I can find it. I searched a few sites, and I don’t have usenet. But, I’m determined. So, if it’s out there, I’m going to find it! LOL. Hope everyone is having a good year so far.

you find it yet,cause ive been looking for…long time. I found someone who has it but he wont share it citing fear. WTF?

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Well, after watching an old version of the theatrical cut at a cinema in London, I am going to bite the bullet and buy a laptop capable of deep learning on Black Friday and I am thinking of investing in Adobe Premier Pro, Character Creator 3, and iClone, Deepfacelab, and Lyrebird (or equivalent).

I’d like to create a hybrid cut for personal use. I’m not 100% sure what is missing from the DE compared to the SLV (excluding scene trims) beyond a couple of lines of dialogue on the bridge and in Ilia’s quarters, plus Sulu & Ilia, and the airlock scene.

So my ‘basic’ plan is:

  • Re-add missing scenes and lines above.
  • Trim the gap between Sulu’s, “Why it’s Mr…” and Kirk’s, “Spock!”. It’s really clumsily edited.
  • Digitally replace Kirk’s space suit to match the airlock scene. (I think from memory I need to re-order the scene in Ilia’s quarters to match the SLV?) Replace the Enterprise over the scaffolding.
  • Insert some additional cloned footage of Grace Lee Whitney to establish Rand in the second half of the movie with additional dialogue (if the Deepfake and Lyrebird results pay off). This is partly because Rand started out as the female lead in the original show and partly because Grace was treated terribly at the time. I lament the fact that she wasn’t more front and centre with the ensemble cast for her return.
  • The basic would be an extra line for her in the McCoy transporter scene plus some dialogue in Kirk’s quarters.
  • If they work out OK, then I might also consider a close up on the bridge during the V’Ger flyover (the problem there being the need to establish her arriving or leaving and a spot to put her in for the long shots) and establishing her on the bridge at the end of the movie so that when Scotty and Chapel arrive, all the original cast is in the scene together.
  • The most ambitious edit would be to add her into the airlock scene, possibly adding an exchange between her and McCoy as Kirk leaves, since that will require a digital avatar.
  • The really, really, really ambitious edit would be to put her in a spacesuit alongside Kirk and give them some dialogue as they head out to the orifice so that Ilia’s question, “Why have two carbon units entered V’Ger,” can apply to them.

If the Rand stuff pays off, I can consider whether I can add a few snippets of dialogue for other characters. McCoy’s funny dialogue was a hit with the audience in London so I considered if it might be possible to add some extra humour. Possibilities would be a line of sass from Uhura when the men meet Ilia, an exchange between McCoy and Chapel in sickbay based on dialogue from In Thy Image, and Spock’s sass about his presence being essential if McCoy is to remain on board in the final scene.

All the above said, I have no real experience with this kind of editing, so wish me luck. If anyone has access to the SLV files, they would be useful, since my only copy currently is on VHS.

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I’m sure Mr. FanFiltration and other folks get tired of hearing this, but does this Widescreen ST TMP SLV preservation still exist? To say that my interest is piqued would be an understatement. SLV was the first version of TMP I ever saw. I still have the worn out vhs tape from my childhood but I don’t even have a working player at the moment. I’ve looked around here and there online for this one with no luck. Does this widescreen preservation still exist and how would one go about finding it? I’m still kinda new here.

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I’m finally having a go at a hybrid cut, although I’m not sure I will put in all the extra dialogue as some of it sits awkwardly across the music track of the DE.

I’m not sure how scaled up SD will compare to HD when running alongside it on a larger screen though. I used 50% denoise. Also the SLV soundtrack is far less polished so getting it to the right levels could be tricky.

I’ll do my best.

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After searching all around the darkest regions of the interwebz, I finally found this preservation. The edit is perfect. It matches right up with the original video releases a lot of us grew up with. It isn’t without problems though. The video encoding is a disaster even for an SD video file. The jagged edged interlacing artifacts are terrible and cannot be removed. I’ve tried reverse telecine, deinterlacing, comb filters and every single combination of those to try to clean this up with no success.

A youtuber V.W.V. took the airlock scene with the missing matte painting, created his own matte (very well done I must say) and created a completed version of the scene.

My intention was to take this preservation and splice in the restored airlock scene to create a 100% complete widescreen version of SLV. I still intend to do so, but it’s going to end up looking really silly with that one single scene being the only clean shot in the entire film. Wish me luck folks.

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I’ve downloaded and added the edited scene with the digital Enterprise. It looks pretty good, although the sound quality in the airlock is poor. A better sound effect for the doors is needed too. I’ve added additional dialogue outside (a conversation between Kirk, Scotty, and Rand) so that it doesn’t drag so much.

I will need to add a close up of Rand in a red space suit to establish her in the scene in place of Spock (who went inside in the previous scene).

The close up of Kirk’s space suit here will be needed for the scene later where Spock returns, to marry up continuity. I’m hoping it won’t be too hard to pull off.

I might also change the background so that the reunion takes place inside the aperture otherwise Kirk has just been hanging around outside for ages.

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Ok so I have gotten a little carried away and am really getting crazy into this silly little project. I never was able to clean up the video on this release so I decided to start over. I bought a new unsealed TMP Director’s Cut DVD on ebay and have ripped it, the extra scenes for SLV on disc 2, and have also ripped the bluray of the theatrical version as well.

So far I have ripped the BR of the theatrical version and downsized it to the same dimensions as the DC DVD release. The theatrical release looks amazing even after having downsized it from 1080p down to 720x360(848x360 display).

I also noticed that both the footage in the DC release and the extra footage on the special features disc has not been digitally cleaned in any way. Sure, the footage was taken from prints that were in excellent condition but there are still plenty of dirt spots and the occasional very light scratch(the scene where Sulu stares at Ilia and stumbles all over himself was the dirtiest of the lot).

So I have taken the clips from the DC that I’m going to end up needing and have run all of them through Film9 (a gui frontend for avisynth that pipelines through virtualdub2) to clean the dirt and scratches. I must say, having never used Film9 before I am VERY impressed with it. It took a little practice to learn how to use it correctly but after some experimentation I have manage to remove 99% of all the dirt and scratches from the scenes I need without having introduced any weird artifacts (you really have to be careful where you use the ‘remove scratches’ filter because it will try to erase seams on walls and doors). I am tickled to death with the end results!

I have also taken that completed “missing matte” scene from V.W.V.'s youtube video and with some initial difficulty managed to convert it back to 23.976fps progressive to match all of the other footage. It was embedded in a 30p stream and it took converting it up to 60p in handbrake and finally from 60p back down to 23.976 to preserve the motion without introducing additional judder (trying to go straight from 30p to 23.976 was a disaster and destroyed the motion with horrible judder). After that I resized it to match the DC dimensions as well. I’m going to end up trying to sharpen it a little bit (it’s a touch soft in comparison to all of the other clips) but I think it’ll turn out ok since it’s only a little over 10 seconds that I need from it.

Anyway…so far I have just about finished all the ripping, transcoding, and cleaning that needs to be done, so I’ll have everything I need to get started. I do have one more thing to do and that’s to make sure I make a small adjustment to the contrast and color balance so these clips from the DC match the downsized footage from theatrical BR release. They aren’t far off but it does look like the BR release of the theatrical version has a slightly higher contrast and the colors are a little bit “cooler”.

It’ll end up being a lot easier for me than I’m sure it was for Mr. Fanfiltration since I have his release to use as a guide. The soundtrack is right there and all I’ll have to do is just carefully drop the clean footage right on top, scene by scene and then render it when it’s done. Wish me luck folks!

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Wow you definitely have a better grasp on the technology than I do. I cobbled together the basic hybrid edit in just 4 days but that was just scaling up the SLV scenes using After Effects with no digital cleaning.

I left out Kirk’s, “Oh my God.” in the transporter accident because I didn’t want the SLV footage to sit awkwardly across the rest of the scene and I didn’t want to use the scaled up footage for the whole scene. I also left out the bit where Chekov talks to the crewman at his station before retaking his post as it sits awkwardly on the soundtrack of the DE. Fortunately McCoy’s line about them being ten miles tall fits in fine.

I think I managed to fit in most of the extra stuff from the ship. I haven’t touched the Klingons though.

It was easy to add the DE red alert claxon over the extra V’Ger attack footage alongside the red alert voice from the SLV. I managed to bleed some of Uhura’s dialogue either side of the DE footage too so it all runs along a fraction more rapidly.

I had to work a bit to equalise the hum of the ship in some of the SLV scenes but it was doable.

Mine is a real hatchet job. If you have been able to clear up the SLV footage, it should look great!

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slaynmage said:

So far I have ripped the BR of the theatrical version and downsized it to the same dimensions as the DC DVD release.

Why?? I would much rather have an HD movie where some scenes have a drop in quality, than have the whole movie be a piddling 360p. Wasn’t the whole point of Fanfiltration’s second version to do it in HD?

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I found that the colour difference on my HD version is more jarring that the quality issue. Most of the additional scenes are quite brief. That said, my eyesight is not great. I still haven’t worked out how to work with the colour balancing tools in Adobe. It wasn’t until I had stitched it all together that I realised how noticeable it was.

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You should use the HDTV broadcast of the theatrical version rather than the Blu-ray. The one from the same master as the Director’s Edition DVD.

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tb813 said:

slaynmage said:

So far I have ripped the BR of the theatrical version and downsized it to the same dimensions as the DC DVD release.

Why?? I would much rather have an HD movie where some scenes have a drop in quality, than have the whole movie be a piddling 360p. Wasn’t the whole point of Fanfiltration’s second version to do it in HD?

I’m sorry that you feel that way and I do appreciate your suggestion, but after having seen the “TMP Director’s Edition HD reconstruction” that’s floating around the internet I found the effect of going from HD footage to upscaled SD footage very jarring and have decided against it. I’m just going to keep this a high bit-rate standard definition project for the time being. High bit-rate SD widescreen movies look fine on a 1080p display. It probably won’t look good for those of you who have 4k displays so I don’t know what to tell you. This will simply be a project to replace all of the moire affected video in Mr. FanFiltration’s release with clean video. I am also doing dirt and scratch removal with the slv scenes.

If I have success and it looks good to me when I get done, I may give a 720p version a try eventually. I have been researching some of the AI up-scaling software out there and the best one is pretty expensive but it does have a 30 day trial version that has no restrictions. So if I get done with my SD version and it looks good to me I’ll just dump all of the SD clips sourced from the Director’s Edition into a folder and give them a run through that upscaler software and see how they look. I’ll try 1080p first and see how it does with that but I’m not going to get my hopes up. If it can manage to crank out a decent looking 720p upscale I’d be happy with that but I’m not going to get ahead of myself. We’ll just see what happens.

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You should use the HDTV broadcast of the theatrical version rather than the Blu-ray. The one from the same master as the Director’s Edition DVD.

Hey that’s not a bad idea. I’ll have to see if I can hunt that down. I’m still in the cleaning and encoding phase so it wouldn’t hurt for me to find a release with a similar look. Thanks for the tip man!

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Dang, that HDTV version seems to be impossible to find. Some folks have mentioned a certain place where it can be found but I don’t have access to that. I wish I did. If anybody out there knows how or where that can be found I’d really really appreciate any tips. Shoot me a pm if you know or can help.

Otherwise I reckon I’m going to continue with trying to degrain and color match the slv clips with the theatrical BD footage.

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I can’t thank you folks enough for the help and the tips. I’m going to try to slow down and rethink this since I have a little more time (thanks to this virus mess) to work on it and better materials to work with. I’m going to try to take my time and do a good job on this…though I’m going to try not to take too much time. I’m excited about this project and I’m learning a lot. I’m thinking I may be able to come along half way and do this in 720p. I tried the Dandere2x scaler which pretended to work without errors but could only generate files that were no more than 17mb or about 72 frames. I resized a couple shots in Film9 that look ok but I’m not quite happy with it yet. My machine doesn’t have a powerful enough video card to run the gigapixel trial so I’m just going to have to keep messing around with free stuff. I’ll give Video2x a try next and if that doesn’t work I’ll just try to see how rough it is to bust open these clips and save the individual frames into a folder and resize them with Waifu2x one at a time and then reassemble them. This is turning out to a pretty fun project and this place has turned out to be a wonderful community. I’m going to try to do a good job on this so I can give something back. I gotta get this thing done so I can work on cleaning the 36-40 Flash Gordon serials next!