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Who knows, Lucas' explanation, if any, will be just as bad as the whole midichlorians thing.
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Qui Gon's death.
Kevin
Who knows, Lucas' explanation, if any, will be just as bad as the whole midichlorians thing.
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
His destiny was not complete?
Who knows, Lucas' explanation, if any, will be just as bad as the whole midichlorians thing.
From what I hear Revenge of the Sith will explain this
Maybe it goes something like this
Obi-Wan: Master the damn kid you wanted me to train is fucking up the galaxy
Qui-Gon: I know you pick up alot of things up hear
Obi-Wan: One more thing why didn't you vanish when you died
Qui-Gon: I did. Did you check my pulse. YOU BURNED ME ALIVE.
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Actually did Vader disappear after his death? I mean, Luke didn't just burn some clothes and a helmet?
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Qui-Gon Jinn (R.I.P.)
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Maybe it goes something like this
Obi-Wan: Master the damn kid you wanted me to train is fucking up the galaxy
Qui-Gon: I know you pick up alot of things up hear
Obi-Wan: One more thing why didn't you vanish when you died
Qui-Gon: I did. Did you check my pulse. YOU BURNED ME ALIVE.
LOL!!
Well, my explanation is that Jedis do NOT vanish when they die. Yoda was suffering from a desease that eat your cells up so fast, you vanish. Obi-wan did not vanish, he fell naked into a trash compactor chamber, leaving his clothes behind, and then he was naked trying to hold the trash compactors walls, and he got squashed and THEN he died.
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Originally posted by: Z6PO
Good one jimbo
Actually did Vader disappear after his death? I mean, Luke didn't just burn some clothes and a helmet?
According to Lucas, Vader did disappear...
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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Not credible enough for me.
lol
what makes it funnier is i was actually thinking something very similar
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin
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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Well, I never intended my comment as a credible source...I said "according to Lucas..." and not "Vader did disappear" ... I'm of the opinion that he didn't.
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Qui-Gon did give foreshadowing to his death as did Obi-Wan:
Anakin: "Nobody can kill a Jedi."
Qui-Gon: "I wish that were so."
It's not just that Qui-Gon didn't disappear either, anymore. That issue expanded to every one of the Jedi killed in the arena in Ep II. We've now seen lots of Jedi die onscreen in the prequels with no "vaporization death." Perhaps this is something that Yoda and Obi-Wan will learn how to do in Ep III. Or maybe Yoda knows but hasn't taught it to anybody ... yet.
The novelization of Ep II does go further into this. Yoda heard Qui-Gon's voice when Anakin unleashed his anger on the Sandpeople, as we saw in the movie. Then in his subsequent conversation with Mace Windu, he noted that he heard this, but that nobody had come back from the grave before, and he didn't fully understand how Qui-Gon's spirit could have emerged. I don't know if this was in the original script and scrapped or what. If it was a scrapped idea, was it because of time, or was it because Lucas is going to toy with the idea further.
Also, originally in Ep II, Liam Neeson was supposed to appear, but then didn't, blaming a motorcycle accident. (Given the year-and-a-half of post-production, I somehow doubt they couldn't get him in at some point against a blue screen, though).
Ultimately, I think we need Qui-Gon to show up in Episode III to resolve this. Since he hasn't been listed as a cast member, do we assume Liam Neeson is not returning, or is this the kind of secret that can actually be kept until release day? I wonder if we'll see him after all.
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Originally posted by: rennervision
Whatever the explanation is, it better not have something to do with Anakin discovering how to do it for the first time. In Episode IV, Obi-Wan says to Vader, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." I doubt he was preaching to the choir. And it clearly seems Vader is surprised once Obi-Wan vanishes. (Otherwise, why is he stepping on Obi-Wan's cloak trying to figure out what happened???)
Yes, but in the original script, or as it was originally filmed, the exchange goes.
'Your powers are weak, old man'
'You can't win Darth. If my blade should find it's mark, you shall cease to exist. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possible imagine'
Which makes alot more sense, because I never understood Obi-Wan saying 'You can't win', because he only presents one side of Vader's lose-lose situation.
Remember, even though in EPI Qui Gonn is Obi-Wan's master, Yoda is the one that finishes his training. Qui Gonn was a student of the Universal Force (I believe some have referred to it as) while Yoda is a student of the Living Force. Thus, I always believed Yoda and Obi-Wan merely became one with the Force that surrounds them.
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Up until Qui Gon, all Jedi were absorbed into the Force or “became one”. Their bodies suffered physical death and were left behind just like everyone else. What Qui Gon discovered was that at the point of death, a Jedi can connect with the Living Force. This allows the Jedi's spirit to merge with the Force and maintain its individual identity and consciousness. If the Jedi suffers physical death, he can still maintain his individual identity but his body stays behind. But if a Jedi connects to the Living Force before death, his physical form makes the transition with his consciousness to the next plane of existence. Obi Wan never experienced physical death because he dissipated before Vader actual struck him. Yoda knew he was dying and hung on just long enough for Luke and then made the transition to the Force before suffering physical death.
In AOTC Yoda heard Qui Gon’s spirit shout out to Anakin during the Sand People camp slaughter. This was new to him and evidently he studied what happened and eventually learned how to connect with the Living Force at death as Qui Gon did. But he also discovered that when making the connection before actual physical death, the body makes a metaphysical transference to the Force along with the spirit. This “Trick” was taught only to Obi Wan. It was needed in case one of them was killed before their mission to destroy the Sith was complete. A Jedi could still assist some what from the after life as Obi Wan did with Luke.
Anakin never learned the “Trick”. When he died a physical death he should have been absorbed into the Force just like any other Jedi except for one of a few possible reasons. Anakin was the Chosen One and may have been granted special treatment from the Force. It could also be possible that by being redeemed and connecting with his son at the point of death Anakin my have inadvertently connected to the Living Force. Lucas adds on the DVD commentary that Yoda and Obi Wan helped Anakin join them in the Force. Because Vader suffered physical death and his body (what was left of it) did not make the transition, they must have also been able to create a physical form for him from the last time he was a Jedi.
What do ya think?
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