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Of course no website is going to lockstep in their views, so I am sure there are still some OOT fans left on the site, but trust me, the majority all left last year, and I can name dozens of them who are at ORS now. The funny thing is alot of PT fans left TFn and went to ORS, cause they were frustrated too, cause they are not lockstep either towards all 6 movies, as they will readily admit the movies flaws, but still love them in a certain way too.

Did the disgruntled fans leave because of the site's (TF.N) leanings? I do not understand the purpose of why they left and went to ORS.

TF.N doesn't lean toward the whole saga equally. You are asking too much for a Star Wars forum not to have leanings. Every website will favor one trilogy over the other because of the members themselves. I don't believe in complete nuetrality in the fanbase of Star Wars.


If you have time, go back 3-4 years, or even before ROTS and check out the debates and how good they really were. That site was the best in its time before the end of the PT, as you would get all sides of the debates regarding SW. Now you have just a bunch of people who love the PT, and 2-3 naysayers who vehemently hate the PT who are just getting everyone riled up. Now many would say, isn't that the exact thing that happens here, but the other way around? I say that is exactly right, but check out the name of the website we all post at, it is pretty clear what versions we are fighting against sir George.

The bottom line is we have an agenda here which is pretty specific and to the point. TFN has an agenda, but doesn't come right out and say it, and that is why so many people have left the site in the last year.



But that would be like me leaving OriginalTrilogy.net because of the OOT leanings. If I wanted to talk about the PT and got repremended for it, then OT.N is just as guilty as any other website that favors something else. It'd just be from a different perspective, but it would be the same difference.


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The difference is that TF.N is not a prequel webiste, or a SE website. It is supposed to be a site dedicated to all the diverse aspects of the star wars universe, which is why they have specific forums for gaming, EU, prequels, OT, and one for I-VI Saga discussions, plus many miscellaneous forums. They are supposed to be a neutral stance.
The sever slant towards non-criticism of GL and the Star Wars film i think primarly has to do with the fact that they are closely affiliated with the official Star Wars website and LFL. Lucasfilm helps sponser them, and frequently supplies them with exlusive deals and offers--in fact the current online director of the official site used to be a TFN webmaster. As well, LFL has never issued any lawsuites against TFN, despite the many spy reportrs and unauthorized used of pre-release pics and information from the PT days. As such, TFN has been towing the company line for some time now, but the most aggrevating thing of all is that they have allowed the forum enforcers who control the boards to be people who not only tow the company line but who genuinely believe in it. Personally, i find little distinction between TFN and the official star wars site, and if you visit the boards of each of them they are controlled and moderatted in pretty much the same way.
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They got a little ban happy, but I certainly didn't see it as being a partisan thing.

Then again I never saw anything about SW as a "partisan" thing. The whole idea of "basher and gusher" gangs was really silly.
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I'm called a "gusher"... and I'm permabanned there, so they don't really lean PT/SE.... they over-mod the hell out of the place though, that's for sure.
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The thing that's weird about TFN is in their attempt to be non partisan, they set out to "cleanse" the forum of all partisanship.

Here's the thing, there are actually "partisans". Some fans run around as self proclaimed gushers, some fans run around as self proclaimed bashers, and all of them blame the other side for the "lables".

It's gotten to the point where the regulars have their "street cred" as either bashers or gushers, and a lot of them just start in with personal attacks instead of making a case for their own perspective.

I think TFN was just sick of the general mean spiritedness about it all. Being a SW fan should be about having fun, not putting other SW fans down all the time.

The problem is they went so far with it, they won't allow the fans to discuss the fans at all.

It's really pretty ridiculous.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The thing that's weird about TFN is in their attempt to be non partisan, they set out to "cleanse" the forum of all partisanship.

Here's the thing, there are actually "partisans". Some fans run around as self proclaimed gushers, some fans run around as self proclaimed bashers, and all of them blame the other side for the "lables".

It's gotten to the point where the regulars have their "street cred" as either bashers or gushers, and a lot of them just start in with personal attacks instead of making a case for their own perspective.

I think TFN was just sick of the general mean spiritedness about it all. Being a SW fan should be about having fun, not putting other SW fans down all the time.

The problem is they went so far with it, they won't allow the fans to discuss the fans at all.

It's really pretty ridiculous.


I don't even understand what you can and can't talk about over there.... how can two people with different opinions discuss something without talking to each other... its like you're supposed to talk to "everyone", but nobody specifically... plus it's all subjective to what the mod thinks of you (basher/gusher). If somone known as a gusher goes into a basher thread, (or vice versa) the Mods panic alarm goes off before anything even happens.... The stuff we talk about in here wouldn't go on for a second over there.

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Not to mention that some of the threads (gushers threads?) were set to private recently and made so anyone that ever visits the bashers threads is automatically denied access/banned from the gushers threads. Talk about stupid.

I found this out because I occasionally read the administration threads. It's a good laugh to check out the craziness that goes on over there. Most of the discussions about what you can and can't do are absolutely ridiculous.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Not to mention that some of the threads (gushers threads?) were set to private recently and made so anyone that ever visits the bashers threads is automatically denied access/banned from the gushers threads. Talk about stupid.

I found this out because I occasionally read the administration threads. It's a good laugh to check out the craziness that goes on over there. Most of the discussions about what you can and can't do are absolutely ridiculous.


The mods in that place act like it's a life or death situation over there... its a shame too, that place was fun before Ep1 and leading up each release...
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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Originally posted by: JediRandyI'm called a "gusher"... and I'm permabanned there, so they don't really lean PT/SE.... they over-mod the hell out of the place though, that's for sure.



Trust me JR, gushers have left too, as there are many PT fans that populate ORS. The difference between them and the TFN gushers, is that the TFN gushers do not speak ill of the PT or SW at all. The company line there is, "I see all 6 movies equally." and alot of good PT fans left that site along with all the persecuted bashers.

The ironic thing about the TFN PT gushers is that they will get their jabs in at The Original SW when ever they can. I even had an argument once that SW '77 was a standalone movie when it first came out. They kept insisting that everyone knew back in '77 that 2 movies would follow and that the backstory would be told later. I then told them that Episode IV was not on the opening crawl back in '77, and they kept saying I was lying.

TFN is populated by alot of people who just don't know their SW history and have bought into Lucas revisionism. They believe the saga was always about Darth Vader, even in 1977. They believe Lucas had this grand story from day one, they belive that the OOT are just rough drafts, and can't understand why anyone would want to watch 'those' versions.

I gave up there a long time ago, cause I had so many of my posts either edited or deleted when I would call people on their wrong facts. I can't tell you how many times I was warned for baiting and flaming and shouldn't argue with any one person, even though that person was just flat out lying to make their point.

I tried for years to get an OOT board, where you can only talk OOT, no SE, no PT, just 77-83 talk, kinda like this page was. I continually asked the mods, and got responses like this, "Why would you want to talk about the OOT, the saga is the SE + PT now?" or "If Lucas doesn't recognize the OOT, then there is no reason to make a seperate page for talk like that."

That is why I left.
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Lucas isn't revising history, you guys are just misunderstanding him.

He doesn't say he always planned this to be about Darth Vader since 77, you all just keep misunderstanding him when he says that even though he -didn't- always plan it to be about Vader, that he slowly realized that it alwas was as he went along.

I think it's kind of funny to watch people who don't like Lucas protect the world from the "distortion of history", to "protect" future generations from Lucas' so called "revisionist history" when nobody is distorting things more than these same people.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Lucas isn't revising history, you guys are just misunderstanding him.

He doesn't say he always planned this to be about Darth Vader since 77, you all just keep misunderstanding him when he says that even though he -didn't- always plan it to be about Vader, that he slowly realized that it alwas was as he went along.


Gomer this story isn't real and as such if it turned out to be about Vader it was George's own choices that made it that way. He didn't one day realize it was about Vader because a story is what you make it, and he whole heartedly decided to turn it into a story about Vader.


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According to him, he didn't set out to make it all about Vader, he just realized at some point that was the way it was going.
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