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Question: Why is Greedo different?

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It just occured to me that Han actually shoots first (or plans to) on a lot of occasions throughout the movies. What makes the "Greedo situation" so different? Could someone please try and explain it to me?
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Noone really knows....it's just one of those completely pointless changes made to the films.
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Supposedly, you have a man that's seen it all, done it all, etc. He'a smuggler, someone hard to trust. Naturally, if he has a gun in his face, he's going to know how it ends, so he takes action. Having him shoot first say this guy is on his toes, he's dangerous, can Ben and Luke trust him. It helps make his redemption a bit stronger at the end of the film. Now, he's a guy that can't see a shot coming from two feet away, and Greedo couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.


Made for IE Forum's Episode III theme month - May 2005.

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Leia shoots first as she lays on the ground on Endor (just after her own "I Know"). Guess she's a murderer too. LOL
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"The way it was cobbled together at the time, it came off that [Han] fired first. He didn't fire first."
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"It's a correction. [When I made Star Wars] I said, 'Well, I don't have that shot, so I'll just fudge it editorially.' In my mind [Greedo] shot first or at the same time. We like to think of [Han Solo] as a murderer because that's hip-I don't think that's a good thing for people. I mean, I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills in cold blood."

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The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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They kill of hordes of Stormtroopers who could just as well be guys underneath that were drafted to the Imperial military that didn't want to but were forced into it. The Death Star could've been stocked full of these kinds of guys and the Alliance blows it all away...

Han killed a bounty hunter that was pointing a gun at his face and making threats against him. He knew there was only one way out of the cantina: through Greedo. If he didn't act first, Greedo would've. That's how it use to be anyway.
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Han also shoots first at Vader on cloud city...
ironically when he's never bumped into the man before in his life....
better change that Lucas...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
Han also shoots first at Vader on cloud city...
ironically when he's never bumped into the man before in his life....
better change that Lucas...


Yeah, that is until Lucas in His 'infinite wisdom' decides to have a young Han Solo growing up on Kashyyyk raised by Wookies and meeting HaydenVader in ROTS.

It's funny until you realise that the fat plaid bastard is THAT insane.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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he's not actually doing that is he??????

oh i already realized his insanity...
i believe its those who don't realize his insanity are the ones who are really in trouble....
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
Han also shoots first at Vader on cloud city...
ironically when he's never bumped into the man before in his life....
better change that Lucas...


Well, I think he got the general gist that Vader slaughtered the old man traveling with Han only about 200 yards away from Solo. I'd call that a 'bumping' into.
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EDIT: Replying to Luke.

No I don't really think he'll do that, but he could.

There's a quote, I don't have it, where Lucas denies what we all assumed about Han having once been an Imperial officer who went AWOL to save the enslaved Wookie Chewie. He mentions something about Han being able to understand Chewie because he was raised by Wookies.

Found it:

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Some gems from the FilmFax article:

Lenny Ripps, Co-Author, Original Script (Holiday Special)-

FAX: Did Lucasfilm present you with a story?

RIPPS: Yes, Pat and I spent a day with George Lucas in which he took a piece of paper and said "How long is a TV movie?" He put that number down and said "Now let's write what we're going to do every minute." It was the only day of my life that I forgot to have lunch! At that time I was a 310 pound man who didn't think about food for the entire day! Now I'm a couple hundred pounds lighter but, at that time, I was an eating machine who forgot to eat. It was fascinating! He had a vision of what it was going to be. The original director was a protegé of his. I don't know why he got replaced. He was a good guy, a good director, but the vision changed. It became more of a musical comedy.

FAX: What was George Lucas's original vision?

RIPPS: I think he wanted to make a sweet and sentimental vision of a holiday season and I think it evolved into something marginal which was not what I thought his vision was. Now I don't mean to speak for him, but my inclination was that it got kind of sappy.

FAX: It was an eclectic combination of elements: drama, space fantasy, and musical variety.

RIPPS: To me it didn't come together. The ideas were all right but I'm not sure that they belonged in the same room.

What was interesting was to me was that Lucas started talking about Star Wars as if was a real world. He said things like "Well, you know Han Solo is married to a Wookie, but we can't say that." Now that was 20 years ago, so my memory may be wrong. [As outrageous as Ripp's recollection sounds, there is evidence supporting it. Pat Proft corroborates it and an early draft of the Star Wars script (January 28, 1975) has Han Solo living with a furry female creature who he kisses. Proft also remembers learning that Han Solo was raised by Wookies, which is verified on pages 46 & 131 of Laurent Bouzereau's Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays.] This is a world that the audience only knew a little bit about. It was like he was showing pieces of history; however, he knew the whole world, a world that we may never know. It was almost like he had discovered the Sphinx and was only showing parts of it, but he had it all.

He creates not just a biography but history and context. It was remarkable. I hope that as a writer, I learned from that. When you look at a character it's not just who they are on the page but who they were before you created them. He was one of the most interesting people that I ever spent time with because he has so much focus and passion. I subsequently re-wrote a movie for Steven Spielberg [Casper} and spend a day with him, and he was the same way: passionate and focused. He knew what it was about even though it wasn't done yet. By the same token, both men were totally open to ideas. There was no egotism at all.


And here in his own words for the unbelievers:

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Taken from "The Annotated Screenplays"' interviews with Laurent Bouzerou:

Lucas on Han Solo:

"His character is basically a cynical loner who realises the importance of being part of a group and helping for the common good...compromising and sacrificing his own welfare for those of others. I had a list of about thirty five themes that I wanted to explore in the film, and giving up your own personal gratification for the good of others was one of them.

The idea was that Han Solo was an orphan. He was raised by wookies, befriended Chewbacca, and they went off."


There's a bunch of cool contradictory quotes from The Beard at that second link that prove what a lying asshat he has been for the last three decades.

Enjoy.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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wow thx for those links...
talk about weird....
married to a female furry creature....
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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so when Leia says "I'd just as soon kiss a wookie" and Han replies 'you could use a good kiss!' I guess he was speaking from first hand experience? I sure hope 'nerf-herding' is not a euphemism?
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Pat Proft corroborates it and an early draft of the Star Wars script (January 28, 1975) has Han Solo living with a furry female creature who he kisses.


In the words of King Arthut in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: JESUS CHRIST!

A-Are you suggesting Solo and Chewbacca... no, it's too sick to think about.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Pat Proft corroborates it and an early draft of the Star Wars script (January 28, 1975) has Han Solo living with a furry female creature who he kisses.


In the words of King Arthut in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: JESUS CHRIST!

A-Are you suggesting Solo and Chewbacca... no, it's too sick to think about.


What? No, they're just 'good friends'.

Hug.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Pat Proft corroborates it and an early draft of the Star Wars script (January 28, 1975) has Han Solo living with a furry female creature who he kisses.


A-Are you suggesting Solo and Chewbacca... no, it's too sick to think about.


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What? No, they're just 'good friends'.


LOL! Well, they did spend an awful lot of time alone in space. One thing leads to another and...

Keeping The Star Wars Hoiliday Special alive. Once person at a time. Stir, stir, whip, whip, stir, beat, beat.
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ewwwwwwwwwww....
lol
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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well originally Han Solo was meant to be green skinned gilled alien